[OT] What are the thoughts of the community?

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Hi Cor,

I fight hard for an idea and I push, for sure, but my issues can only be
expressed - not demanded (though I'm sure thay sounded like demands at many
points) . I draw a new map and write the guide book, in strong colours and
text. But once I've 'sold' them, it's the journeyman's choice of which route
to follow. And it might be a path that doesn't use the map <or> guide!

I said to Armin that I would be blocking messages from him for a week or
so. I also said that I wouldn't be raising this issue with him again. My last
message to Armin was just that - the last. [On this issue, that is - I'm not
going to withold a ROFL if he cracks a good 'un] ;-)

I have answered Herfried's message in this thread, however, as he raises
points where we seem to have some common ground. If it turns the wrong way,
however, I shall seek for us to take it elsewhere.

Regards,
Fergus
 
Hi Slonocode,

|| I understand that they are not in command of this group.
|| But I also see that it would be easy to believe that to be
|| the case, especially for newcomers
||
|| As a relative newcomer myself I am only trying to convey
|| what my initial impressions were. I did for a short time
|| believe that they were the leaders of this group.

This is so interesting! A newcomer who is willing to express initial
impressions.

Who is in command - the one who issues commands. Is this what your
impression was?

Leaders in what sense I wonder?

I would love to hear more about these impressions and especially what it
was that gave them to you. This was part of my early experience.

============================
I've only been here about ten weeks. This newsgroup is my first proper
experience of usenet. I didn't even know what 'usenet' meant, though I knew a
bit about newsgroups in general and have used a couple of forums.

After a short while here I made the 'mistake' of posting a message in
Html. A voice responded to me. It said:
"Don't post in Html".

Despite my seniority and confidence, I was new here. A couple of weeks in,
maybe, but still very new - unfamiliar territory and <still> ignorant of what
rules, if any there were. I didn't know that this community was as loose as it
is. I actually thought that there were people in charge. I thought that I was
being sternly told off for some crime. I thought that the person who was
telling me off had the right to do so. Not an 'anyone can express themself'
right but an <official> right. I felt very chastised.

I subsequently found out that that person is just like any of us. He comes
and goes as he pleases. He watches or speaks as he pleases. He is just an
ordinary guy who decided to 'enforce' this rule. He also enforces other rules
with hardly any more grace than show above. No reasoning explained - just an
order.

When I discover that he was nobody special, I felt very angry that he had
spoken to me in that way. I didn't tell him - the moment had passed. But my
respect for him plummeted. Even now, weeks later, he hasn't gained very much
of that back. His words had that much effect on me. And I say again - I have
seniority and confidence. What about those who don't?

I can imagine the youngsters who come here, some fresh out of school, or
still there, or young adults who still hold an awe of authority figures. I
wonder how it must appear to them when, as newcomers, ignorant of any rules,
simply seeking some help, they wander in here and get barked at for some
'misdeed'. Or turned away out of hand?

I believe they get an image, like I did, like Slonocode seems to be
saying, that there are <official authority figures> here. People who are
looking out to ensure that visitors 'behave' themselves. Probably Microsoft
people. As this is a Microsoft newsgroup then surely anyone giving orders must
be from Microsoft - who else would have that authority?

To create an impression of being an authority figure, you must be seen to
act with authority. Issuing directives will do this very nicely. The fact that
any such authority is self-designated is not apparent to a newcomer.

============================

Slonocode, I would be most interested to hear about your experience, and
that of any other relative newcomer (to newsgroups or just this one).

Regards,
Fergus
 
Herfried,

microsoft.public.nntp.test is a good place to spout nonsense about me.
Let's take it outside and leave this thread for rational discussion.

Fergus
 
Herfried,

I answered one of your latest posts fairly nicely earlier on. You actually
sounded sane in it and we had points in common.

Unfortunately I hadn't downloaded enough messages to get the early ones
and hadn't realised what you've been saying.

Please turn to microsoft.public.nntp.test if you want to continue with the
rubbish. In other words - let's take it outside.

Fergus
 
Herfried,

I mistakenly wrote the above post thinking that we would be able to
converse. Having read your earlier posts I now consider that to be very
unlikely.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please post your response to this, if you have one, in
microsoft.public.nntp.test

Fergus
 
Herfried,

To the vast majority (ie. 99%+) of visitors and colleagues, I am both
friendly and helpful. An occasional person (ie. <1%) gets strong words from
me.

I do not insult 'others in the group' in the general sense that you imply.

I have insulted <you> - and in a very big way.

The signs are very clear that members of this community are becoming
strongly <dis>interested in your opinion of me.

There is a more appropriate venue for your words against me [see other
posts]. You are invited to respond there instead of here.

Fergus
 
* "Fergus Cooney said:
I mistakenly wrote the above post thinking that we would be able to
converse. Having read your earlier posts I now consider that to be very
unlikely.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please post your response to this, if you have one, in
microsoft.public.nntp.test
Click to expand...

You should have posted your response directly to the group you mentioned
above.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

Improve your quoting style:
<http://learn.to/quote>
<http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html>
 
* "Fergus Cooney said:
I do not insult 'others in the group' in the general sense that you imply.

I have insulted <you> - and in a very big way.
Click to expand...

You insulted me in this _public_ group. Everybody could read it.
That's why I expect an excuse to be posted in _this_ group. I am
waiting for it.
The signs are very clear that members of this community are becoming
strongly <dis>interested in your opinion of me.
Click to expand...

They are dis-interested in the stuff you post. They expect technical
answers, no discussion about psychology.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

Improve your quoting style:
<http://learn.to/quote>
<http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html>
 
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