One more thing

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Well Nak, I agree with you, MCSD 'does' need effort and it 'does' have
value, but a lot of that knowledge would be bookish unless you work full
time on dotnet and the management these days recognises this fact. The main
problem with bookish knowledge is it evoporates easily if not used
immediately.
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Exactly, but in the same light *no* knowledge lasts unless you use the skill
often. I program as a hobby, the same as many people, this keeps the skill
going, having a piece of paper simply said that you are experienced to a
specific standard.
I would be surprised if somebody offered a job as a head .net developer
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just on the basis of MCSD.

I was just being metaphorical really :-)

Nick.

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Nak said:
Don't be so modest Herfried, your an experienced highly skilled programmer!
Big yourself up a little ;-)
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Nono..

its Big Up yourself...

not big yourself up...
 
I think it's hard to compare MVP to MSCD. MVP is an award, you can "win"
for sharing knowledge and helping others (you are awarded for the _social_
component and the technical component of the work), on the other hand MSCD
isn't an award. It's a title you can get by taking an exam and pay for it.
MSCD will tell the employer, that person X had certain technical skills at
time Y. MVP will tell the employer, that the person is willing to share his
knowledge and do work without getting money for it.
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Yup I agree, they can't be compared, being an MVP shows a strong willingness
to be recognized and having offered your knowledge to others. Taking exams
that total hundreds of pounds as well as buying study material and working
off your own steam to be *qualified* also shows a strong willingness to be
recognized :-)

Nick.

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Hello,

Nak said:
Yup I agree, they can't be compared, being an MVP shows a strong
willingness to be recognized
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I think a lot of MVPs didn't know about the awards in detail when starting
posting to the groups.
 
its Big Up yourself...
not big yourself up...
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LOL, cheers :-)

He might want to "big himself up" too though ;-)

Nick.

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I think a lot of MVPs didn't know about the awards in detail when starting
posting to the groups.
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Even when the status is labelled by Microsoft?

Nick.

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Sorry to butt in here but . . . <g>

In my experience none of those designations mean very much in the real
world unless they're backed up by experience. A guy with 2, or more,
years of verifiable real world experience will always be hired before
an MCSD with 6 mo's experience. Someone with a CS degree plus real
world experience is usually ahead of them all in the job line. It all
comes down to: Can you do the job, and, can you prove it before I
waste my time and money hiring you.

My last development employer wanted at least 3 of us to have MS
designations (MCSD's I believe) because that was the minimum needed to
call ourselves a 'MS Certified Solution Provider'. The MSCSP got us a
discount on the MSDN subscription and allowed us to use the 'MS
Certified Solution Provider' logo in our advertising. I don't think he
ever considered that it might have made us better at our jobs. It was
all about the image we presented to clients . . . . and the discount.
:-)

I'm not knocking any of the designations, I think they are a good
thing and considered getting one myself ( a couple times) before I got
out of software development.

Regards,

Don
Redmond, WA
 
Sorry to reply to my own post but I forgot to add:
I think the MVP's in these groups do a great job and I'm sincerely
grateful for the help they provide. They must all have halo's circling
the points on their geeky little skulls. Just kidding about the
points. :-)

Speaking of geeky, I went into geeky glee yesterday when I discovered
the #Region directive in a code snippet posted to this group. That has
got to be one of the coolest things I've seen since the Timex\Sinclair
1000.

Have a peachy day.

Don
Redmond, WA
 
Hi there,

I agree with you entirely that it is all about "image" when it comes to
being Microsoft certified. But not all employers actually know what kind of
employees they are actually looking for, so they look for ones with fancy
qualifications etc. I've know someone to come straight out of University
and struggle to get a job because they had no real world experience, I on
the other hand have *loads* of real world experience but no qualifications
*as such* so it's just as bad. But none the less, I want to be MCSD
certificated just for my own piece of mind :-)

Nick.

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Sorry to reply to my own post but I forgot to add:
I think the MVP's in these groups do a great job and I'm sincerely
grateful for the help they provide. They must all have halo's circling
the points on their geeky little skulls. Just kidding about the
points. :-)
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LOL, I agree, they do a great job, some far more than others.
Speaking of geeky, I went into geeky glee yesterday when I discovered
the #Region directive in a code snippet posted to this group. That has
got to be one of the coolest things I've seen since the Timex\Sinclair
1000.
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Haha, don't get out much eh?

Nick.

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Hi Cor,

I too leave my Norms out of the group. And my Georges, though they do keep
asking!

;-)

Regards,
Fergus
 
Hi Nick,

|| MVP [Option Strict = "Off"]

LOL.

MVP in this case must mean Most Valourous Programmer.

Regards,
Fergus
MVP [Windows Keyboard, PC Power Switch]


* Valourous - Marked by or possessing great personal bravery; valiant.
Flying in the face of untyped references.
 
Hi Nick,

|| MVP [Offering my ass for people to kiss]

ROFL.

Maybe <you're> the one who should go into politics?

Regards,
Fergus
 
Hi CJ, Nick,

Nick: "Big yourself up"
CJ: "Big up yourself"

I'm with Nick on this one. - If I remember rightly it was our friend Jack
who was 'big up himself'. [http://tinyurl.com/o0kn] I wouldn't want to be like
that. Oh, no! Definitely not!! ;-)


"Big yourself up" - as in someone who is grovelling - "Don't grovel down
there, man - big yourself up off that floor!". :-)


But according to the
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big+yourself+up
both are correct with Nick's being primary.

|| Big yourself up - "Big your self up" Rated *****
||
|| Congratulate yourself; "Big up yourself" is also acceptable.
||
|| You can also "Big up" someone else.

Regards,
Fergus
 
Hello Don, guys,

I never liked that word geek. It was a taunt back whenever and still is as
far as I'm concerned.

As for pointy little skulls good job you're not talking about me.
Apparently when I was born my Mom was yelling Get this f*cking melon out of
me. :-D

Flying Frank,
Big Top, CA
 
Actually, when I was a kid a geek was a guy at the county fair that
bit the heads off live chickens and drank their blood. Honest. They
had a big sign with pictures of the wildman they called the "Geek"
doing all kinds of horendous things like drinking blood, swallowing
snakes, sticking pins through himself, etc.. They kept him in a pit
dug into the ground inside the tent so he couldn't get at you, but, he
sure tried to. Women screamed and almost fainted when they saw him
because they knew he would surely have torn you to pieces and eaten
you if he could grab your ankle and pull you in to the pit.

You would have to be quite a bit older than most of this list's
readers to remember that but it is a true story. No county fair of the
forties, fifties or sixties was without a geek. So, everytime I hear
the word "geek" I think of a chicken chompin wildman before I think of
Bill Gates. I wonder if he filters the NG's for his name?

Don
Redmond, WA
 
Hi Fergus,
I often see the word Geek in this newsgroup and I really don't know what it
means.
More and more I get the idea if it is the same as the normal Dutch word
"Gek".
What means in English "Mad, Crazy, Nuts, Curious," a terrible lot of English
words, but no "Geek"
Is it the same, you know for English words I ask from now on only to you?
:-)
Cor
 
MVP in this case must mean Most Valourous Programmer.

LOL, I have actually started using Option Strict on, but shhh don't tell
anyone ;-)

I wasn't suprised to find that I didn't expose any hidden bugs within my
application by turning it on. I now just have allot more code, which is
nice :-) But at least I can say I use Option strict now :-)

Nick.

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Maybe <you're> the one who should go into politics?

Naah, I don't speak proper enuf!

Nick.

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