O.T. Backup suggestions

[Mark Twain]

You are correct, I did want to use
the Seagate External HD for backups
but I also don't want to go through
installing everything again on the
8200.

I also don't want to rely on only (1)
incremental backup. If for some reason
it becomes corrupted then its useless
and I'm right back where I started. I
want multiple backups like System Restore
has multiple restore points.

Robert

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

Not sure if I did this right?

I download and installed Macrium on the 8200
and started to create a Recovery Disk but it
required (2) Disks. It kept stopping (4 times)
and ejecting the disk saying it couldn't read
the disk or invalid media ( I formatted a used
DVD disk) and I should have just inserted the
original back in. In any case, I re-inserted
it and pressed finish and it continued but it
seems to be taking forever (now over 2 hrs)and
seems to be in a loop.

When I clicked the down arrow to the D: drive
it gives me the option of making a ISO image file?
Should I be doing that?

It also gave me the option of using a USB device
and maybe I should have put this on the external
HD as well?

I haven't done a backup as yet and still haven't
put this on the 8500 until I see how it works on
the 8200.

Robert

 

[Mark Twain]

Here's what the screen looks like:

and hasn't changed in 2 hrs except
the green bars keep moving as if
loading.

Robert

 

[Paul]

Here's what the screen looks like:

and hasn't changed in 2 hrs except
the green bars keep moving as if
loading.

Robert

You can stop the current run with Task Manager,
if the controls in the program are not working.

*******

Use the "make an ISO" option.

When the ISO9660 is finished and stored on the
hard drive, check the size of the file. It should
be small enough to fit on a 700MB CD or on a DVD.
It should be smaller than 700MB.

Imgburn can burn a small ISO9660 file, to large
media like a DVD. My copy of Nero sometimes
complains when I try that.

*******

If you have Imgburn installed, you can use that to
finish the job.

Imgburn has an erase function, if you want to
test the DVD by attempting to erase it. Your DVD
is currently in an unknown state, so you can erase it.

Tools : Drive : Erase Disc : Quick

Then, when you do the burning operation with the
ISO9660, you'll be starting with an erased disc.

If you don't have a copy, the last clean copy of Imgburn was
version 2.5.0.0. The checksums are so you have
a means to verify it's the same as the original.
I got the checksums off the author's site.

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/imgburn/

ImgBurn 2.5.0.0 Jul 26, 2009 2.07 MB

CRC32: 39CD6FC6
MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243
SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454

Versions after that version, the installer offers
a toolbar. Which you can certainly decline. I just
like the idea of you starting with a "clean" file for
once.

Another tip - turn down the sound volume on the computer,
while using Imgburn. That's so the "completion" noise the
program uses, doesn't scare you out of your socks. The author
of that program has a sense of humor.

Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

I attempted the Recovery CD again;

I had formatted the disks previously
and I checked the contents to make sure
there was nothing on it and it should be
ok for a clean file.

I went very carefully and selected the ISO
file and saved it to the D: drive and then
it came back with this:

An error occurred copying the ISO to the selected location

I checked the Disk and it appears ok and I
formatted it again just to make sure and
tried it again and it gave the same error.

Should I try and put this on my external HD?

Robert

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

Since the Recovery didn't work I thought I
would try to do a backup but it doesn't allow
for any USB connections. So I had to use to
use the same disk.

I selected Image function :

It asked if I wanted my DVD cleaned beforehand
and I clicked yes and then afterwards started the
backup and it gave me this:

An error has occurred. Please see the history log
for more details.

In red at the bottom of the screen it says disc error
and the log says the same.

So apparently I need to get new disks but I don't
like the idea of not being able to use my external HD
with Macrium . After all, that's why I bought it, for
my backups.

Maybe I should look at another product?

Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

Since the Recovery didn't work I thought I
would try to do a backup but it doesn't allow
for any USB connections. So I had to use to
use the same disk.

I selected Image function :

It asked if I wanted my DVD cleaned beforehand
and I clicked yes and then afterwards started the
backup and it gave me this:

An error has occurred. Please see the history log
for more details.

In red at the bottom of the screen it says disc error
and the log says the same.

So apparently I need to get new disks but I don't
like the idea of not being able to use my external HD
with Macrium . After all, that's why I bought it, for
my backups.

Maybe I should look at another product?

Robert

It does allow for a USB drive.

Try the following.

When it asks to select a destination partition for the .mrimg file,
there are two things. I have eleven partitions here, and
eight of them are in the pulldown menu. If instead, I click
the "dot dot dot" box to the right of the pulldown menu,
I get to look through a "My Computer" tree, which has all
the partitions. I was able to select my I:\ partition which
is on my external USB drive. A backup is running right now, onto I:\

+-----------------------------------------------+ +-----+
| Pulldown menu with internal partitions listed | | ... |
+-----------------------------------------------+ +-----+

Now, if you're on Windows 7, *maybe* you could have a permissions
problem for the entire drive. Try copying a single file from C:
(drag and drop), over to the external drive partition. And see
if that copy works. If it does, then my guess would be, that
"dot dot dot" box on the right is where you can select the
correct (external) destination.

HTH,
Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

I'm not sure if I'm following you on this.

However this is what I see:

Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

I'm not sure if I'm following you on this.

However this is what I see:

Robert

You should be clicking the folder button, as shown
in this picture.

http://i60.tinypic.com/28gxjfb.gif

Click the folder button, then use the "..." box on the
right of that same line. Now you can select your
external USB drive partition.

Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

I followed your instructions and it gave me this:

p.s. why aren't our images appearing via tiny pic?

Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

I followed your instructions and it gave me this:

p.s. why aren't our images appearing via tiny pic?

Robert

I can see your picture OK. Open the My Computer
item (use the "plus" sign to the left of My Computer).
Then, identify the drive letter of the external drive
partition. Now, you should be able to put the
Reflect backup on the external drive.

Later, after the backup is complete, use the (Windows)
File Explorer to open the external drive folder, and
verify a .mrimg type file is now located there. It
should be many gigabytes in size. In File Explorer,
if you don't have the file extension visible, you can
also note the type listed as "Disk Partition Image".

HTH,
Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

Well I can't see the images on my
side only the Tinypic link and I
just installed updates for Tinypic.

Great news!@! I followed your
instructions and successfully
created my system image backup on
the 8200! Although it said the
external HD would run slower with
the USB port I had it plugged into
but it was the only one available.

I haven't created a Recovery CD as
yet although I did try and got the
same error as before. I don't
understand it because I've tried
this with two separate disks and get
the same error and these disks are
suppose to be re-writable.

Here's how I format the DVD-RW disk.
I put it into the 8500 drive and then
go to my computer and right click on
the D: drive then select format but
doesn't give the option for a quick
or full format(preferred).

I then thought maybe I should be doing
this on the 8200, but when I tried the
same procedure it doesn't have the format
option.

So just how do I do a full format of the
disk and to check for possible errors?

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

Well I can't see the images on my
side only the Tinypic link and I
just installed updates for Tinypic.

Great news!@! I followed your
instructions and successfully
created my system image backup on
the 8200! Although it said the
external HD would run slower with
the USB port I had it plugged into
but it was the only one available.

I haven't created a Recovery CD as
yet although I did try and got the
same error as before. I don't
understand it because I've tried
this with two separate disks and get
the same error and these disks are
suppose to be re-writable.

Here's how I format the DVD-RW disk.
I put it into the 8500 drive and then
go to my computer and right click on
the D: drive then select format but
doesn't give the option for a quick
or full format(preferred).

I then thought maybe I should be doing
this on the 8200, but when I tried the
same procedure it doesn't have the format
option.

So just how do I do a full format of the
disk and to check for possible errors?

Thanks,
Robert

As far as I know, the notion of "format" only
applies to DVDRAM media. Which is uncommon stuff.
For -RW or +RW, you'd be using "erase" on any
used media you had.

*******

You want an "erase" function. A program like
Imgburn can do "erase". It removes the previous content
and makes the media look like it is minty-fresh when you
go to do a burn later. At that point, the burner then
thinks the media is blank.

For the simplest cases, with DVD read/write (not the
write once media), you select "erase" as a step, before
the final "burn".

For example, with these, if these already had stuff on them,
you'd "erase", then "burn". (When you tell a program to burn,
it can also erase first, all on its own, but I sometimes
erase them manually myself. I would test your media by trying
the erase first.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130952

The only exceptions, would apply to things like multisession,
and I've never ever done one of those here.

If you are using write-once media, you can only use those
the one time, and they can't be erased.
And they're cheaper because of that (cheaper per disc).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817507002

Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

I did a search for Imgburn but there are so many
that offer it how am I to know which one is good
and which to avoid?

Also, regarding the 8500 there remains a sound
(like speakers being turned on/off) whenever I
connect online. This never occurred before and
has been going on since I was infected with PUP
Adware. Otherwise, the system appears to be clean.

Robert

 

[Nil]

I did a search for Imgburn but there are so many
that offer it how am I to know which one is good
and which to avoid?

Always, alway, ALWAYS go to the software author's own official web
site. In this case, <http://www.imgburn.com/>

Be careful - this author bundles in "foistware" with his program. It
will try to get you to install other trial softwares during
installation. To avoid them you must pay close attention to the prompts
that are presented and carefully declining any such invitations.

 

[Paul]

Always, alway, ALWAYS go to the software author's own official web
site. In this case, <http://www.imgburn.com/>

Be careful - this author bundles in "foistware" with his program. It
will try to get you to install other trial softwares during
installation. To avoid them you must pay close attention to the prompts
that are presented and carefully declining any such invitations.

This one is toolbar free. If you need to verify the authenticity,
the checksum information is extracted from imgburn.com, when the
software was released. Using the SHA-1 value is best (most secure).

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/download/imgburn-2-5-0-0

ImgBurn 2.5.0.0 Jul 26, 2009 2.07 MB

CRC32: 39CD6FC6
MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243
SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454

The diagram here shows where to click.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2z9mhsg.gif

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2z9mhsg.jpg

Paul

 

[Nil]

This one is toolbar free. If you need to verify the authenticity,
the checksum information is extracted from imgburn.com, when the
software was released. Using the SHA-1 value is best (most
secure).

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/download/imgburn-2-5-0-0

ImgBurn 2.5.0.0 Jul 26, 2009 2.07 MB

CRC32: 39CD6FC6
MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243
SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454

Yeah, but that's a 5-year-old version. Probably works OK, though. In
this case, it's probably better that he stay far, far away from the new
version and its payload, no matter how avoidable.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Mark Twain wrote: []

have the format option. So just how do I do a full format of the
disk and to check for possible errors?
Thanks,
Robert

As far as I know, the notion of "format" only
applies to DVDRAM media. Which is uncommon stuff.
For -RW or +RW, you'd be using "erase" on any
used media you had.

*******

You want an "erase" function. A program like []
erase them manually myself. I would test your media by trying
the erase first.)

Does that actually test, though, or just write?
[]

If you are using write-once media, you can only use those
the one time, and they can't be erased.
And they're cheaper because of that (cheaper per disc).

[]
I have no experience of DVD+/-RW, but I remember people were very
dubious about the longevity of CD-RW; are DVD-/+RW better? (For
something like an image backup, I imagine you want reliability.)

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

It's a good thing you provided the Tinypic
links Because I would have clicked the wrong
one; I Wish these sites would just have one
option instead of a screen full of them. How
is one to know? This is actually how both
computers became infected.

At any rate, I downloaded/installed imgburn
on the 8200 and checked the DVD-RW then tried
to erase it and it gave me this:

I retried it with the same error. So it seems
that I need to buy new disks to create A Recovery
Boot disk.

@Nil - it did give me the option to upgrade but
I wanted to see how the process worked first.

Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

It's a good thing you provided the Tinypic
links Because I would have clicked the wrong
one; I Wish these sites would just have one
option instead of a screen full of them. How
is one to know? This is actually how both
computers became infected.

At any rate, I downloaded/installed imgburn
on the 8200 and checked the DVD-RW then tried
to erase it and it gave me this:

I retried it with the same error. So it seems
that I need to buy new disks to create A Recovery
Boot disk.

@Nil - it did give me the option to upgrade but
I wanted to see how the process worked first.

Robert

The 0x0C in your picture is a write error,
but the 0x80 value doesn't have a table entry.
The table stops at 0x0F for write errors.

http://www.t10.org/lists/asc-num.htm#ASC_0C

Test with new media.

Paul