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Vic Dura
Nice post Bill. I can really learn something about patience from
them.
Best regards,
Vic Dura
Nice post Bill. I can really learn something about patience from
them.
Best regards,
Vic Dura
J
John Fitzsimons
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Did I say anything about you being in ACF for a shorter time than me ?
Pay attention to what I said and it should assist your comprehension.
Regards, John.
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Pimp away! Saved to favorites. ;-)
then, boldy dove into the melee, yelling something about:
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Pimp away! Saved to favorites. ;-)
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»Q« wrote in
Ah. The "general advice" section of the anti-FAQ:
rudeness get to you and take it home to where you live and brood about
it, it doesn't do you any good. Chill. Leave the abuse in the post you
got it from.
Obviously, I'm quoting out of context to make myself look innocent. As
indeed were you, Q, for the opposite reason. We can chop logic for weeks
and still end up where we started.
To fly through the chaff, then, I arrived in ACF; got newbie-abused; and
wrote the anti-FAQ as a protest against two traits that recur on this NG
and that piss me off:
1) The newbie abuse. Surely people should be using their powers for
good, it seems to me...using their knowledge to help people rather than
to slap them down. Bullying is wrong, and always has been. The fact
that it happens often does not mean that it is right.
2) The fairly unfounded assumption that time spent lurking in this
newsgroup confers some sort of mystical aura of superiority; and that
conversely, people who are perceived as newbies have nothing worth
saying, no right to an opinion, and should automatically respect their
"betters".
Ah. The "general advice" section of the anti-FAQ:
I thought it was good advice, and applies to life in general. If you let
rudeness get to you and take it home to where you live and brood about
it, it doesn't do you any good. Chill. Leave the abuse in the post you
got it from.
Obviously, I'm quoting out of context to make myself look innocent. As
indeed were you, Q, for the opposite reason. We can chop logic for weeks
and still end up where we started.
To fly through the chaff, then, I arrived in ACF; got newbie-abused; and
wrote the anti-FAQ as a protest against two traits that recur on this NG
and that piss me off:
1) The newbie abuse. Surely people should be using their powers for
good, it seems to me...using their knowledge to help people rather than
to slap them down. Bullying is wrong, and always has been. The fact
that it happens often does not mean that it is right.
2) The fairly unfounded assumption that time spent lurking in this
newsgroup confers some sort of mystical aura of superiority; and that
conversely, people who are perceived as newbies have nothing worth
saying, no right to an opinion, and should automatically respect their
"betters".
T
Tiger
I don't know what "newbie abuse" to which you refer, but if it's
because newbies are politely requested to bottom-post and snip, then I
wouldn't call it abuse. I've only seen the abuse start when the newbie
basically says, "shove your 'preferred way of posting.'"
No one is claiming that...except for you and a couple others who cannot
seem to grasp that ACF is a community and the only slaps one receives
is when people insist on doing things *their* way as opposed to the
*group's* way. That's fine...as this is an alt group after all...but
even when an alt group has formed a helpful community, don't expect to
be treated like royalty when you flaunt the community guidelines.
--
Tiger
"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz
T
tlshell
I wouldn't know as I haven't read it, I usually don't have time to
read things like that and only use them for research purposes. I'm not
interested in wasting my time with the obvious and if that seems
abrasive, tough.
T
tlshell
This is true. I blame AOL among others for making it difficult for the
diehards to remain patient. When there are hordes of the unschooled on
the 'net, we become outnumbered by newbies everywhere.
This is a rather extreme statement. It's not the true attitude of
oldtimers, rather it is an outgrowth of the way the Internet has gone
from a small "club" for geeks to a large virtual city with numerous
strangers lurking, some with knowledge and hostile intent and others
merely clueless. It's become like a reminder of the real life that
some of us seek to evade. (Or at least to evade some negative or
annoying aspects of it.) If you haven't already, then you should read
up on the history and development of Internet culture for better
understanding. We have seen the Golden Age and now it sometimes feels
like we're headed for the Age of Lead and Arsenic.
B
Blinky the Shark
Sure didn't help. But the "AOL wannabes" (emulators) are just as bad.
That's enough, right there, to make his whole paragraph meaningless.
*Contributing* over a long period of time makes people respected by the
group. Nothing to do with lurking. This being a community, it's
natural that some are more respected than others -- that's *earned* by
*contributing*, not whining, stalking, trolling, and, in general, trying
rearrange all of the group's furniture, and then wondering why there is
resistance.
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I don't think I was quoting out of context. Unless you are saying that
you do not actually mean to call some posters here "rude ****sticks."
I mean, if you don't think some of us are that, why warn the reader
about it?
B
BillR
You might _enjoy_ reading the alternative FAQ. The FAQ is amusing
just as an example of (mildly satirical) parody, although it does try
to make a few valid points.
You may consider it more or (considerably) less successful in making
those points than I as well as deduct for externalities. You may also
disagree with the premises. What ever your conclusion, I think it is
unfair to comment on it without reading it -- all one page of it.
Not unless carried to an extreme. The original reference to
"abrasiveness" was in your comment. The particular response to which
it referred did go a bit far, but only after how much abuse? And you
jumped in with little foundation: with the google/deja archives one
can lurk for many months in the course of a weekend; freeware on
stalkingsheep has been around for awhile; and as you later admit, you
never even read the FAQ in question.
I'm too lazy to go back and find a couple of your posts that raised my
ire. I wrote a brief tirade in response to one (researching it led me
to your site), but fortunately(?) thought better of sending it. Now I
wish I'd kept it for illustration. On the other hand, you did provide
a thoughtful reply to someone who asked about something in the wrong
ng. Guess we are all complicated.
I too have wanted to respond to a few posters with RTFPL (M => PL),
RTFFAQ, or just google the thread from last month (perhaps GTFT?).
Come to think of it, that's not far from the wording I used on a bad
day.
BillR
B
BillR
»Q« said:
Interesting reference. I state X; you snip X; you impute X to me
phrased pejoratively and as if I had overlooked it.
Are you opposed to raising the civility? To encouraging more people
to make worthwhile contributions? To encouraging more people to
appreciate the variety and quality of the best freeware? If not
opposed, then shall we focus on the best way to encourage those
things? (Let's leave aside for a moment exactly what is considered
On/OT. That is a different thread.)
Another interesting reference. The embedded quote is quite out of
context. In context the quote quite accurately stated my conclusion
-- and I stand by it. You did not merely fail to agree. The specific
wording was also intended to both stifle continuation of the thread
and express my feelings.
Again, quite out of context. I might prefer that the language be a
little cleaner, but it certainly fits the literary style adopted.
But you are getting a twinkling. Your reply is much less worthy of
that response. I'm so glad you are taking it personally.
BillR
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Foust
muttered.
updated
Q. All I did was ask a question/reply to a thread and some rude bastard
jumped all over me for the style/format/content of my post. What goes on?
A. That's just the ACF control freaks throwing temper tantrums.
Q. Yeah, but why do they do it so offensively?
A. What do you expect when their I.Q.'s match their shoe sizes?
Q. What should I do about the abuse/advice I received?
A. Report them to their ISP's. They like to do that to others so why not
return the favor?
Q. Flamed?
A. Guaranteed to happen if you post to ACF
Q. Killfiled/plonked/bozo bin?
A. Means to ignore someone. If you're lucky you will be killified with
your very first post by the Control Freaks of ACF. Your stay will be much
better for it.
Q. It's only one newsgroup. How come there's so many bloody FAQs?
A. This is the direct result of a coup in the Control Freaks of ACF
circle some years ago.
Q. Why do people write FAQs then?
A. POWER!! Nothing gives them a sense of power and control like trying to
tell people what they can and can't do.
Q. Aha! Gotchya! YOU wrote a FAQ!!!
A. That's not really a question. But no I didn't write one. I stole the
questions from this here http://stalkingsheep.co.uk/antifaq.htm and
changed the answers.
Q. Are there any cardinal sins on ACF?
A. Lots, if you care what the Control Freaks Of ACF think.
Q. I really can't be arsed to read all those FAQs. Gimme a summary.
A. Once again that is not a question. My advise is DON'T READ THEM. most
people don't read them.
Q. Got any general advice?
A. Chew your food 25 times.
Never shave your pubic hair to get rid of crabs.
Be nice to people, unless they were mean to you first.
Vote no on anything to do with the Patriot Act.
Don't belive the RIAA's amnesty program.
Windows rules all.
Linux is for lamers.
Always bottom post. It pisses of the squares.
NEVER eat Pop-Rocks and drink soda at the same time.
|Relax Vic - the anti-FAQ is safe. I was only going to delete it if it was
|dead. I may even update it now....you never know.
|
updated
Q. All I did was ask a question/reply to a thread and some rude bastard
jumped all over me for the style/format/content of my post. What goes on?
A. That's just the ACF control freaks throwing temper tantrums.
Q. Yeah, but why do they do it so offensively?
A. What do you expect when their I.Q.'s match their shoe sizes?
Q. What should I do about the abuse/advice I received?
A. Report them to their ISP's. They like to do that to others so why not
return the favor?
Q. Flamed?
A. Guaranteed to happen if you post to ACF
Q. Killfiled/plonked/bozo bin?
A. Means to ignore someone. If you're lucky you will be killified with
your very first post by the Control Freaks of ACF. Your stay will be much
better for it.
Q. It's only one newsgroup. How come there's so many bloody FAQs?
A. This is the direct result of a coup in the Control Freaks of ACF
circle some years ago.
Q. Why do people write FAQs then?
A. POWER!! Nothing gives them a sense of power and control like trying to
tell people what they can and can't do.
Q. Aha! Gotchya! YOU wrote a FAQ!!!
A. That's not really a question. But no I didn't write one. I stole the
questions from this here http://stalkingsheep.co.uk/antifaq.htm and
changed the answers.
Q. Are there any cardinal sins on ACF?
A. Lots, if you care what the Control Freaks Of ACF think.
Q. I really can't be arsed to read all those FAQs. Gimme a summary.
A. Once again that is not a question. My advise is DON'T READ THEM. most
people don't read them.
Q. Got any general advice?
A. Chew your food 25 times.
Never shave your pubic hair to get rid of crabs.
Be nice to people, unless they were mean to you first.
Vote no on anything to do with the Patriot Act.
Don't belive the RIAA's amnesty program.
Windows rules all.
Linux is for lamers.
Always bottom post. It pisses of the squares.
NEVER eat Pop-Rocks and drink soda at the same time.
|Relax Vic - the anti-FAQ is safe. I was only going to delete it if it was
|dead. I may even update it now....you never know.
|
V
Vic Dura
ROTFLMAO!!!
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(e-mail address removed) (BillR) wrote in
You have misrepresented what happened here. Anyone who likes can
look up the thread.
It's a phrase you have used many times. And it's quite in context.
Again, not out of context.
"Fitting the literary style" has not previously been the cause you
claim to support, civility has. Calling people rude ****sticks seems
uncivil to me, but ymv obviously.
Is there some reason you incorrectly suppose I'm taking it
personally?
You have misrepresented what happened here. Anyone who likes can
look up the thread.
It's a phrase you have used many times. And it's quite in context.
Again, not out of context.
"Fitting the literary style" has not previously been the cause you
claim to support, civility has. Calling people rude ****sticks seems
uncivil to me, but ymv obviously.
Is there some reason you incorrectly suppose I'm taking it
personally?
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»Q« wrote in
I did. Looks like TWO quotes out of context in this thread to me.
If you can't argue your opinions honestly, perhaps it's the opinions that
are at fault?....
I did. Looks like TWO quotes out of context in this thread to me.
If you can't argue your opinions honestly, perhaps it's the opinions that
are at fault?....
T
tlshell
(-:
Lately I haven't really been having "bad" days, but I'm often tired. I
work 45 hours a week now and since I don't have a car, it puts a
strain on my scheduled times for reading news and e-mails. I'm happy
to be working though, after being unemployed for almost two years.
(FYI, my website is out of date wrt personal data.)
J
John Fitzsimons
As someone who has been given the "Still don't get it" treatment
I concur with the above.
Nicely put.
J
John Fitzsimons
Nicely put.
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I'd have expected you to say three....
/If/ I couldn't there would be several possible reasons.
B
Blinky the Shark
Congratulations on getting back to work, however unfun it may be. I've
had some dry spells, too, and they're doubleplus ungood. Unless not
having a car is a statement, good luck in getting back to having your
own wheels, as well.
(Hey, I used to be with concentric.net -- I don't run into too many of
their addresses. My best pal went with them, years ago, on my
recommendation, and then their connex started getting flaky. I ended
up at Earthlink; he did, too, on my recommendation. <g> We're about the
only concentrickers, past or present, we know.)