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Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".
 
Bob Lucas said:
Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".
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Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly
 
Bob Lucas said:
Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft MVP
Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".
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What do you get for me? It should come up empty as I do not have my profile
public, but other MVPs can access it.

On occasion, you may see a troll impersonating an MVP.
 
Bob said:
Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".
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Some MVPs claim they don't want their private information published in a
public place. That doesn't preclude that they are *listed* as an MVP.
If an MVP doesn't have themself published in the MVP lists (and which
does NOT require any public disclosure of their personal info) then I
don't consider them an MVP. If you want to check on the credentials of
a cert that an employee claims to have, you check with the issuer to
find out if that cert was actually ever awarded to that person. If
someone claims they are an expert in some profession, they must provide
proof of such. Lack of proof means lack of expertise. I'm not allowed
to claim that I'm a doctor, cop, or any other professional without
having traceable credentials. To me, if they can't prove that they were
elected by other MVPs to become themself an MVP then I'm not going to
believe them just because they say so.

If an MVP wants to hide, consider why they want to hide. They don't
need to give out their street address, phone number, or any private
information. Obviously if they want to have an identity as an MVP then
*something* of them must be made public. If an MVP wants to hide from
the public but only let other MVPs know about their MVP status then let
them hide inside an MVP-only forum or MVP-only mailing list. If they
don't want to be public then don't claim to be an MVP in public.

If someone says they are an MVP but if the public can't verify that
status and if the one claiming to be an MVP can prove their status then
they aren't an MVP. Anyone can claim anything they want in the Usenet
anarchy. Hiding MVPs dilute the status and potence of the MVP title.
 
PA said:
This a**hole is NOT an MVP!
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Ah yes, very true, but then the status of MVP has been diluted by real
MVPs that choose to hide. You can't check on their credentials because
they chose to hide. Gee, would you trust a doctor, dentist, or any
other self-claimed professional whose credentials you could not certify?
That MVPs can hide so their credentials are not public (which has
nothing to do with divulging private information) pretty much renders
the who concept worthless. Anyone could claim they are an MVP, like
Patricia here claiming to be one (after nymshifting away from her
pcbutts1 moniker). You don't need to go ego-stroking your status to
announce your MVP status to other MVPs. That ego-stroking is to
announce yourself to non-MVPs in a newsgroup (i.e., to the general
populace that visit there). To the public, if your self-claimed MVP
credentials cannot be traced to those that provide that certification
then you don't have those credentials as far as the public is concerned.
Unless the status of MVP is traceable, it means nothing.

I've looked at mvps.org. Didn't find anyone named "Bear" there. Looked
at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx. There are
couple of "bear" names with that substring but nothing that would match
on the "pa" part of your moniker. So just how *we* non-MVPs visiting
the newsgroups know YOU aren't yet another troll pretending to be an
MVP? We can't so the claim to be an MVP cannot be verified which means
the MVP title is not only worthless but possibly deliberately
misleading. Is there yet some other MVP credentials list for checking
on whether or not someone who claims to be an MVP can actually be
verified to be an MVP?
 
VanguardLH said:
Some MVPs claim they don't want their private information published in a
public place. That doesn't preclude that they are *listed* as an MVP.
If an MVP doesn't have themself published in the MVP lists (and which
does NOT require any public disclosure of their personal info) then I
don't consider them an MVP. If you want to check on the credentials of
a cert that an employee claims to have, you check with the issuer to
find out if that cert was actually ever awarded to that person. If
someone claims they are an expert in some profession, they must provide
proof of such. Lack of proof means lack of expertise. I'm not allowed
to claim that I'm a doctor, cop, or any other professional without
having traceable credentials. To me, if they can't prove that they were
elected by other MVPs to become themself an MVP then I'm not going to
believe them just because they say so.

If an MVP wants to hide, consider why they want to hide. They don't
need to give out their street address, phone number, or any private
information. Obviously if they want to have an identity as an MVP then
*something* of them must be made public. If an MVP wants to hide from
the public but only let other MVPs know about their MVP status then let
them hide inside an MVP-only forum or MVP-only mailing list. If they
don't want to be public then don't claim to be an MVP in public.

If someone says they are an MVP but if the public can't verify that
status and if the one claiming to be an MVP can prove their status then
they aren't an MVP. Anyone can claim anything they want in the Usenet
anarchy. Hiding MVPs dilute the status and potence of the MVP title.
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You have it all worked out, eh.

Some may not be public because their employers might think that they would
possibly do free work in works time.

Some employers may consider the MVP award status to be in competition with
what the company does/supplies.

Some MVPs may not be in a position politically.

PCButts is a wannabe..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
Hi, my name nass.
I am a NEW [MVP], and so happy.
I am over the sun with happinesas, and so is my business.
Business is booming; I have lot specialos
I choose to hide my name on that list, as I am shy.
 
Mike Hall - MVP said:
You have it all worked out, eh.

Some may not be public because their employers might think that they
would possibly do free work in works time.

Some employers may consider the MVP award status to be in competition
with what the company does/supplies.

Some MVPs may not be in a position politically.

PCButts is a wannabe..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
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Those are valid reasons for claiming anonymity.

However, I still believe that if a contributor to a newsgroup claims to
be an MVP, other contributors should be able to verify that appellation
(in the same way that members of the public can check the credentials of
doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc.)

MVPs provide a valuable service - and I am not decrying their expertise
and willingness to help. However, many non-MVPs also offer useful
contributions.

If an MVP does not want his name to appear on a public register, there
is nothing to prevent him/her from posting to newsgroups without
claiming membership of the MVP community. Regular newsgroup users will
have little difficulty forming an opinion about those contributors, who
have provided reliable contributions over a period of time.

The real danger comes from people who claim to be MVPs (which implies
special expertise and a willingness to help) - but are impostors.

Consequently, MVPs should be prepared to allow their names to appear on
a public register - OR refrain from using the MVP suffix when they post
to newsgroups.
 
Ah yes, very true, but then the status of MVP has been diluted by real
MVPs that choose to hide. You can't check on their credentials because
they chose to hide. Gee, would you trust a doctor, dentist, or any
other self-claimed professional whose credentials you could not certify?
That MVPs can hide so their credentials are not public (which has
nothing to do with divulging private information) pretty much renders
the who concept worthless. Anyone could claim they are an MVP, like
Patricia here claiming to be one (after nymshifting away from her
pcbutts1 moniker). You don't need to go ego-stroking your status to
announce your MVP status to other MVPs. That ego-stroking is to
announce yourself to non-MVPs in a newsgroup (i.e., to the general
populace that visit there). To the public, if your self-claimed MVP
credentials cannot be traced to those that provide that certification
then you don't have those credentials as far as the public is concerned.
Unless the status of MVP is traceable, it means nothing.

I've looked at mvps.org. Didn't find anyone named "Bear" there. Looked
at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx. There are
couple of "bear" names with that substring but nothing that would match
on the "pa" part of your moniker. So just how *we* non-MVPs visiting
the newsgroups know YOU aren't yet another troll pretending to be an
MVP? We can't so the claim to be an MVP cannot be verified which means
the MVP title is not only worthless but possibly deliberately
misleading.
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His name, which he often uses in his messages (or else I wouldn't tell
you), is Robear Dyer. PA Bear is sort of a nickname. Go back to
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx and look for
Robear Dyer, which you will find there.

I can also personally vouch for his being an MVP, because I've several
times met him at MVP events at Microsoft in Seattle.
 
Bob Lucas said:
Those are valid reasons for claiming anonymity.

However, I still believe that if a contributor to a newsgroup claims to be
an MVP, other contributors should be able to verify that appellation (in
the same way that members of the public can check the credentials of
doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc.)

MVPs provide a valuable service - and I am not decrying their expertise
and willingness to help. However, many non-MVPs also offer useful
contributions.

If an MVP does not want his name to appear on a public register, there is
nothing to prevent him/her from posting to newsgroups without claiming
membership of the MVP community. Regular newsgroup users will have little
difficulty forming an opinion about those contributors, who have provided
reliable contributions over a period of time.

The real danger comes from people who claim to be MVPs (which implies
special expertise and a willingness to help) - but are impostors.

Consequently, MVPs should be prepared to allow their names to appear on a
public register - OR refrain from using the MVP suffix when they post to
newsgroups.
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I, for one, would have nothing against my name appearing in an official list
provided by MS. I just don't want my life history made public. They *could*
have two lists, but they don't. I have nothing I need to hide in my profile,
it's just a "nobody's business" thing.
 
you're absolutely
correct and justified.

the problem originates
at the source, the microsoft
mvp program.

but one can not expect
the book to be open when
the books are corrupted or
embarrassing.
 
Bruce Hagen said:
I, for one, would have nothing against my name appearing in an
official list provided by MS. I just don't want my life history made
public. They *could* have two lists, but they don't. I have nothing I
need to hide in my profile, it's just a "nobody's business" thing.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
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That would be a very sensible compromise.

"Consumers" certainly don't need access to an individual MVP's life
history or similar details (although it might be useful to specify
particular areas of expertise or specialisation. For BH, such expertise
would include Outlook Express).

However, inclusion in an official list of MVPs (names only) might deter
unqualified passers-by from claiming fraudulently that they have been
awarded MVP status.
 
I'm thinking about a suitable designation for people like me: Certified
Shlemiel, or CS.

What's that you say? Oh...you already know I'm a shlemiel, even without
a designation.
 
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