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Bill Funk said:
Yes.
If the atheists are right,there's no problem.
If they are wrong...
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Even if the atheists are wrong, they'll have lots of company in Hell.

Most religions tell you that you're damned if you don't believe their
particular flavor of religion, and they can't all be right. And there's no
way to tell which is right.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
 
William said:
Just because we don't believe in a God, that doesn't mean that we have no
morality, and/or don't believe in the laws of society. People banded
together and organized themselves into societies long before they believed
in Heavens and Hells, or any sort of after-life punishments. I don't go
around raping and murdering because I don't want others to go around raping
and murdering me. I am a perfectly good citizen in spite of the fact that I
don't believe that the creator of the whole universe, with more galaxies in
it than there are grains of sand on all the beaches on earth, is hovering
over my bunk at night listening to my prayers and making sure I get a good
night's sleep. IOW, I don't have to be insane in order to be a good
citizen.......
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Is this the moral and ethical William Graham who, in another thread, was
telling us how he plans to keep driving at night on unlit roads, even
though he is so night-blind that he can't see where he is going? If so,
then your above answer is meaningless, and you may soon find out if
there is a God, or not. Good luck.
 
Annika1980 said:
So what stops an atheist from just going around stealing and killing
people they don't like?
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What stops a Christian from doing the same?

If you really want to know what God has to say, listen to our president.
Bush says that God speaks through him.
 
Cynicor said:
What stops a Christian from doing the same?

If you really want to know what God has to say, listen to our
president. Bush says that God speaks through him.
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Bush has never said that.
 
David said:
Most religions tell you that you're damned if you don't believe their
particular flavor of religion, and they can't all be right. And there's no
way to tell which is right.
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None are right. They are all creations of man and they all indoctrinate
their "followers" from early childhood in order to guarantee growing
generations of followers. All of them at one point or another used
violence in the furtherance of the religion as "God's will"

An atheist is not evil by definition and does recognize and practice a
moral code of conduct. The Golden Rule is not reserved for "believers".

Cheers,
Alan
 
Mark² said:
Cynicor wrote:


Bush has never said that.
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1) http://www.irregulartimes.com/godspeaksthroughme.html

2) A heresay account:

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC
TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu
Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign
Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.

Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a
mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those
terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me,
"George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I
feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and
get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And
by God I'm gonna do it.'"

3) During his presidential campaign, George W. Bush said he'd been
`called' to seek higher office and talked openly about his faith
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=808

etc.
 
Even if the atheists are wrong, they'll have lots of company in Hell.

Most religions tell you that you're damned if you don't believe their
particular flavor of religion, and they can't all be right. And there's no
way to tell which is right.
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It doesn't follow that even *one* may be right. If and when one
arrives, God may say to its leader, Mr. Right (can't be female,
eh?), "Tag. You're It. I've been waiting eons for this, thank you
very much, and as Groucho once sang, 'I must be going'."
 
1) http://www.irregulartimes.com/godspeaksthroughme.html

2) A heresay account:

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC
TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu
Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign
Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.

Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a
mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those
terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me,
"George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I
feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and
get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And
by God I'm gonna do it.'"

3) During his presidential campaign, George W. Bush said he'd been
`called' to seek higher office and talked openly about his faith
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=808

etc.
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Saying that Bush said that God speaks to him is different from saying
that Bush said God speaks through him.
 
Alan said:
1) http://www.irregulartimes.com/godspeaksthroughme.html

2) A heresay account:

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC
TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu
Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign
Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.

Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a
mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those
terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me,
"George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I
feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and
get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And
by God I'm gonna do it.'"

3) During his presidential campaign, George W. Bush said he'd been
`called' to seek higher office and talked openly about his faith
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=808

etc.
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This part:

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC
TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu
Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign
Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.

Doesn't give you a clue?

And just because a person has a religious faith, be in Islam, Christian,
Jewish, or Shinto, doesn't mean he thinks "God speaks through him."
Your anti religious bias is showing.
 
ASAAR said:
It doesn't follow that even *one* may be right. If and when one
arrives, God may say to its leader, Mr. Right (can't be female,
eh?), "Tag. You're It. I've been waiting eons for this, thank you
very much, and as Groucho once sang, 'I must be going'."
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Me thinks some of these guys need to read "Stranger in a Strange Land".
 
Me thinks some of these guys need to read "Stranger in a Strange Land".
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Me too, but it'll have to wait, maybe until Valentine's day. I've
had the book for decades but I might go for the audiobook version
instead. I just bought Toole's A Confederacy of Dunces a couple of
days ago but haven't gotten very far as the first CD was completely
blank. Audio that is, the artwork was fine.
 
Ron Hunter said:
Is this the moral and ethical William Graham who, in another thread, was
telling us how he plans to keep driving at night on unlit roads, even
though he is so night-blind that he can't see where he is going? If so,
then your above answer is meaningless, and you may soon find out if there
is a God, or not. Good luck.
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And you may find out along with me, you stupid ass........
 
Alan said:
1) http://www.irregulartimes.com/godspeaksthroughme.html

2) A heresay account:

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on
BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu
Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign
Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June
2003.
Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven
with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight
those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell
me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now,
again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians
their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the
Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

3) During his presidential campaign, George W. Bush said he'd been
`called' to seek higher office and talked openly about his faith
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=808

etc.
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He has said "God speaks to me", but that is quite different. The two sound
similar when not on a microphone, and I note that the "supposed quote" was
merely something someone "overheard".
 
Ron said:
This part:

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC
TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu
Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign
Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.

Doesn't give you a clue?

And just because a person has a religious faith, be in Islam, Christian,
Jewish, or Shinto, doesn't mean he thinks "God speaks through him." Your
anti religious bias is showing.
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Your sensitivity is showing. I prefaced that with "hearsay" as the
quotation I presented was reported second-hand.

In a country that has a fundamental separation of Church and state, it
is a bit irksome (at least) when Bush is on the record as saying:

"I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas,
had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative
eroding the important bridge between church and state." GWB

Bush makes a lot of references to God in his speeches.

The US Supreme Court has historically been very conservative in its
interpretation of the establishment clause. In great part to avoid the
influence of any religion on government which was a plaguing problem in
Europe for the last 1000 years.

BTW: I have no "anti-religious" bias. OTOH, I don't have a moment of
patience for those who assert creationism as being truth.

What does George believe? Evolution or creationism?

Cheers,
Alan.
 
Mark² said:
Againl... He is being misquoted. He said, "God speaks TO me."
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So you were there in Smoketown, PA when he said or didn't say "God
speaks through me?" I'll take the word of the reporter over the word of
the White House press secretary on this one.
 
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