Linux is NOT for Everyone!

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Justin

Sometimes it is best to take a deep breath and clear your thoughts. Some posts do not deserve previous beliefs of people.
 
Actually Linsux is for almost nobody in the real world. Its is so bad for
most people that they can not even give it away for free. Even in the third
world countries, where governments encourage Linsux, 85% of all users remove
linsux and install windows.
 
Justin said:
Nope, still there. Who would have ever thought this would be posted YET
AGAIN?


Que?
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Selected narratives of "Communication Problems," the first episode of the
second series, is analyzed, applying the General Theory of Verbal Humor,
Professor Salvatore Attardo's expansion of Victor Raskin's Semantic Script
Theory of Humor. The primary incongruity generating humor in the series is
clearly Basil's rude treatment of guests contrasted with what is expected in
such a situation. The script opposition, in the words of Raskins's original
SSTH, would be "normal versus abnormal"--perhaps here more accurately worded
"appropriate versus inappropriate" --treatment of hotel guests by the
owner/manager. The polite graciousness, the conciliatory words and gestures
about any difficulties should be offered by the owner/manager to the guests,
not the reverse. However, "Communication Problems," is unified by more than
Basil's irrascible, driven, compulsive personality. Two plot lines are used
to develop the theme announced by the title: Basil surreptitiously bets (and
wins and loses and wins and loses!) on a horse race , and Mrs. Richards, a
rude guest, loses money which she believes to have been stolen. The two
merge neatly through Basil's machinations to keep Sybil from learning about
the betting and the won money and Sybil's efforts to locate and return the
"stolen" money. Meanwhile, numerous incidents demonstrate the failure and
even the impossibility of communication. Mrs. Richards and Basil encounter
problems communicating with Manuel because of the English/Spanish language
barrier. Manuel, Polly, and Basil cannot communicate with Mrs. Richards
because of her headstrong self-centeredness and because of her deafness and
her ridiculous refusal to turn on her hearing aid. Basil cannot communicate
with the Major because of the Major's inability to remember, presumably
induced by senility. Basil cannot communicate with Polly (who is helping him
keep the betting secret from Sybil) and with others because of Sybil's
presence. Basil and Sybil do not communicate apparently because of the
failure of love in their marriage. The audience might well empathize with
Basil's disappointment expressed in a brief monologue, not--as usual in the
series--in some silly scheme that has failed, but in life, brief and
unfulfilled. However, his aggressive humor which becomes nearly violent at
times, makes it difficult to sympathize. Failed marriage, deafness and
senility as sources of humor? These misfortunes should be met with sorrow.
Why, then, do we laugh so hard ?
http://cc.ysu.edu/~sattardo/tv/perantoni.htm
 
Dana said:
I think it's kind of funny how people rave about Linux being "state of the
art"...They must have forgotten it's a clone of Unix, which debuted in
1969. So at the core, it's a clone of a 38-year old operating system.
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Hey that wheel on your car debuted thousands of years ago. It is so old it
must suck! Maybe MS should invent something new and sleeker...like..a
square?

Just because something is based on something older does not mean it is good
or bad. In this particular case, Unix simply got it right 38 years ago
already.
I have to admire Linux, because it's proven that a random collection of
programmers can turn out usable software. Sadly, Linux will never be able
to match the research dollars that Microsoft puts into their software, so
it will forever be catching up to Windows.
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I have to disagree with that. If you look at the history and advancements in
OS then the advancement has levelled off over the years. As far as windows
is concerned, I view XP as the last real advancement.

Vista may offer a few new features but it is not as large as a jump as XP
was over Win98. Just about any of the things available for vista are just
as readily available for XP or Linux. That puts either one on an even
playing field.

As far as I am concerned, Windows is, maybe already even has, very quickly
reaching a plateau where it simply can't really advance much further. I
mean ok, it has that new hardware accelerated UI now. If that UI is good or
not is largely up to what the user likes. I personally find it hideous.
Some people actually like it. Besides, Beryl can kick Aero's butt any day
and I don't even bother using Beryl on Linux because I simply have no need
for the eye candy.

They improved some kernel level features such as memory allocation, load
balancing for multiple cores, etc. Fine. But I can tell you being a
programmer myself, code can only be optimized so much until you reach a
point of diminishing return or a point where there simply is nothing left
to optimize. Been there, done that.

DX10, while neat, due to its design introduces so many compatibility
problems that I dout that we will see much use of it anytime in the near
future. Not until cards like the 8800 GTX are mainstream and XP is history.
I am more likely expecting a return of OpenGL as it can bridge the
technology gap between DX9 and DX10 level features without all the
compatibility mess.

The new search feature may be neat to someone that actually has need for it.
How many people search their HD on a daily basis though? Talking home users
here please, not some professional that due to whatever they do has
thousands of files to deal with. I think home users are in the majority
here and I doubt they see much of a productivity gain if a search they do
once a week (if that often) takes 10 seconds or 1 second.

Ready boost I honestly consider beyond useless. If anyone has need for THAT
they need to be investing money in ram, not USB sticks. Paging memory to
phsyical media is bad. Period. I don't care if its HD or flash. Even though
flash is faster than a HD, it is still beyond slow compared to ram. Not to
mention flash memory only has so many write cycles.

What I am trying to get at is, nothing in vista is particularly
revolutionary. It's new features already existed in the past either in
other operating systems or via 3rd party solution and none of it is
particularly new. Hell even I could do the equivalent Vista's ready boost
in linux by mounting a memory swap file system on a usb stick...

If Linux is behind windows or not is honestly not a very simple answer
either. There are things I would never consider using windows for as
windows is just no match in that department. Servers come to mind. There
are also things I can't use linux for right now. So they both have their
uses, advantages and disadvantages.

But even if Linux lacks features that windows has, it is only matter of time
until it gets them. I honestly can't think of one it does not have though.
The only advantage in my mind that Windows has over Linux is 3rd party
developer support. That is it.

Windows on the other hand, is running out of features to add to it which
accelerates the rate at which everthing else can catch up.

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Bill said:
Actually Linsux is for almost nobody in the real world. Its is so bad for
most people that they can not even give it away for free. Even in the
third world countries, where governments encourage Linsux, 85% of all
users remove linsux and install windows.
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And you have used which distributions for how long?

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Really, a long post here promoting Vista or a long post here promoting Linux
(or any other OS) is a waste of bandwidth and accomplishes nothing. Yes,
I've been guilty of such posts.

What I had hoped this forum would be is a TECHNICAL discussion of the
characteristics, good or bad, of Vista - and a TECHNICAL discussion of
suggested ways to overcome problems encountered while using Vista.

After all, isn't this a Vista forum? The name of the forum indicates that it
is.
 
I never claimed to have used it or wanted to use it.
In fact I would dipose of any computer before I would install any distro of
Linsux on it.

Just telling the the truth about Linsux in the real world.
The world that the Lisux fanboys are not familiar with as the spend all
their time in their mommy's basement.
 
Stephan Rose said:
Hey that wheel on your car debuted thousands of years ago. It is so old it
must suck! Maybe MS should invent something new and sleeker...like..a
square?

Just because something is based on something older does not mean it is
good
or bad. In this particular case, Unix simply got it right 38 years ago
already.


I have to disagree with that. If you look at the history and advancements
in
OS then the advancement has levelled off over the years. As far as windows
is concerned, I view XP as the last real advancement.

Vista may offer a few new features but it is not as large as a jump as XP
was over Win98.
Click to expand...

The largest jump actually was the introduction of Win 2K. XP is 2K with a
fancy GUI. With Vista, I think they took almost all the time developing
Aero. No other feature is really 'all new'. Read further below....

Just about any of the things available for vista are just
as readily available for XP or Linux. That puts either one on an even
playing field.

As far as I am concerned, Windows is, maybe already even has, very quickly
reaching a plateau where it simply can't really advance much further. I
mean ok, it has that new hardware accelerated UI now. If that UI is good
or
not is largely up to what the user likes. I personally find it hideous.
Some people actually like it. Besides, Beryl can kick Aero's butt any day
and I don't even bother using Beryl on Linux because I simply have no need
for the eye candy.

They improved some kernel level features such as memory allocation, load
balancing for multiple cores, etc. Fine. But I can tell you being a
programmer myself, code can only be optimized so much until you reach a
point of diminishing return or a point where there simply is nothing left
to optimize. Been there, done that.

DX10, while neat, due to its design introduces so many compatibility
problems that I dout that we will see much use of it anytime in the near
future. Not until cards like the 8800 GTX are mainstream and XP is
history.
I am more likely expecting a return of OpenGL as it can bridge the
technology gap between DX9 and DX10 level features without all the
compatibility mess.

The new search feature may be neat to someone that actually has need for
it.
Click to expand...

Actually XP already does this stuff. Turn on the Indexing service. To
search within a file in advanced features, use "a word or phrase in the
document". Desktop search software does search a wider format of files
though, but I'm not sure. Windows search isn't revolutionary- It's a pretty
GUI that uses existing functionality. The indexing service is used by
Windows Desktop Search for XP too.
How many people search their HD on a daily basis though? Talking home
users
here please, not some professional that due to whatever they do has
thousands of files to deal with. I think home users are in the majority
here and I doubt they see much of a productivity gain if a search they do
once a week (if that often) takes 10 seconds or 1 second.

Ready boost I honestly consider beyond useless. If anyone has need for
THAT
they need to be investing money in ram, not USB sticks. Paging memory to
phsyical media is bad. Period. I don't care if its HD or flash. Even
though
flash is faster than a HD, it is still beyond slow compared to ram. Not to
mention flash memory only has so many write cycles.
Click to expand...

Readyboost isn't comparable to RAM performance. However it's useful if
you've utilized all the upgrade slots and don't want to spend the $$$ on
changing all the modules.
What I am trying to get at is, nothing in vista is particularly
revolutionary. It's new features already existed in the past either in
other operating systems or via 3rd party solution and none of it is
particularly new. Hell even I could do the equivalent Vista's ready boost
in linux by mounting a memory swap file system on a usb stick...

If Linux is behind windows or not is honestly not a very simple answer
either. There are things I would never consider using windows for as
windows is just no match in that department. Servers come to mind. There
are also things I can't use linux for right now. So they both have their
uses, advantages and disadvantages.

But even if Linux lacks features that windows has, it is only matter of
time
until it gets them. I honestly can't think of one it does not have though.
The only advantage in my mind that Windows has over Linux is 3rd party
developer support. That is it.
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I would disagree- Linux is really far as far as desktops are concerned.
Even $400 per person is really not much when you consider that there are
certain things businesses and home users use- To make money. If there was a
good Linux at the time of Win 95 we would probably be writing a different
history now.
Windows on the other hand, is running out of features to add to it which
accelerates the rate at which everthing else can catch up.
Click to expand...

I think they need to think about hardening security without throwing UAC at
us. I also think they shouldn't mess with the XP GUI- The Vista GUI has
taken a plunge from the super productive Win XP. They shpuld probably have
bolted Aero to that GUI and people would be much happier.
 
Stephan Rose said:
Hey that wheel on your car debuted thousands of years ago. It is so old it
must suck! Maybe MS should invent something new and sleeker...like..a
square?

Just because something is based on something older does not mean it is
good
or bad. In this particular case, Unix simply got it right 38 years ago
already.
Click to expand...

There's one major problem problem with that. The WHEEL is used for all
major forms of transportation. It has a major active role in today's
society. Obviously Unix DIDN'T get something right 38 years ago ;p
 
Retired said:
Really, a long post here promoting Vista or a long post here promoting Linux
(or any other OS) is a waste of bandwidth and accomplishes nothing. Yes,
I've been guilty of such posts.

What I had hoped this forum would be is a TECHNICAL discussion of the
characteristics, good or bad, of Vista - and a TECHNICAL discussion of
suggested ways to overcome problems encountered while using Vista.

After all, isn't this a Vista forum? The name of the forum indicates that it
is.
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Amen to Retired's comments!!!
 
Bill said:
I never claimed to have used it or wanted to use it.
In fact I would dipose of any computer before I would install any distro
of Linsux on it.

Just telling the the truth about Linsux in the real world.
The world that the Lisux fanboys are not familiar with as the spend all
their time in their mommy's basement.
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Ahhh and so your so called truth is based on what experience then?
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PowerUser said:
The largest jump actually was the introduction of Win 2K. XP is 2K with a
fancy GUI. With Vista, I think they took almost all the time developing
Aero. No other feature is really 'all new'. Read further below....
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Very true. I used WinXP though simply because W2K never really hit the home
users all that much. For many it was Win98 to XP.

I would disagree- Linux is really far as far as desktops are concerned.
Even $400 per person is really not much when you consider that there are
certain things businesses and home users use- To make money. If there was
a good Linux at the time of Win 95 we would probably be writing a
different history now.
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As far as OS capabilities go, I honestly can't find Linux at any
disadvanatage. There's just nothing it doesn't do.

Ok, configuring a few things can occasionally be a pain. But at least as far
as Ubuntu is concerned, that is rapdily changing and going into the right
direction. A few things still need to improve, but that is it.

Other than that? If it wasn't for gaming I would not need windows on this
machine. Everything other than gaming I can use Linux for, my work
included.
I think they need to think about hardening security without throwing UAC
at
us. I also think they shouldn't mess with the XP GUI- The Vista GUI has
taken a plunge from the super productive Win XP. They shpuld probably
have bolted Aero to that GUI and people would be much happier.
Click to expand...

Very true, security is about the one and only thing they have really got
left to work on as far as I am concerned.

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Stephan Rose said:
As far as OS capabilities go, I honestly can't find Linux at any
disadvanatage. There's just nothing it doesn't do.
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It doesn't run. How about that one? ;p

I downloaded this twice:

Standard personal computer (x86 architecture, PentiumTM, CeleronTM,
AthlonTM, SempronTM)

It wont install on an older P4 I have. When you boot from the CD and select
install it tells me to get the 32bit version as my CPU doesn't support
"long".

Other than that? If it wasn't for gaming I would not need windows on this
machine.
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You mean the second largest computer industry? I guess that's a good reason
why Windows will remain #1. At least linux supports the #1 industry :)
 
Justin said:
It doesn't run. How about that one? ;p

I downloaded this twice:

Standard personal computer (x86 architecture, PentiumTM, CeleronTM,
AthlonTM, SempronTM)

It wont install on an older P4 I have. When you boot from the CD and
select install it tells me to get the 32bit version as my CPU doesn't
support "long".
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What distro and what version were you trying to install? It looks like you
tried to install a 64bit version.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Linux is not for everyone. With Linux, I can
Browse Websites Safely
Receive and send Email
Chat on Xchat
Use Pan for newsgroups
Burn cd and dvd
Watch movies
Listen to music
Play pogo
Run a Windows XP virtual machine..Which I use for:
Xnews
Bank
I dont play graphics intensive games, but more are now ported to Linux
Second Life is still in the alpha stage and I havent been able to use it
either in the virtual machine or linux
Windows specific programs may or may not work in the virtual machine.
I do not think that Linux is doing a bad job, figuring that most of the
world revolves around Windows...
Linux has more programs than Mac which are free.
I very seldom have a need for a dual boot of Windows and Linux.

Just for the sake of secure browsing Linux might be worthwhile for a dual
boot.
See:
www.stopbadware.org
 
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