J
J. Clarke
George said:
I see. And so one should assume that there is such a glitch rather than
that the information provided is accurate on that basis?
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I see. And so one should assume that there is such a glitch rather than
that the information provided is accurate on that basis?
J
J. Clarke
George said:Sorry, ignoring the warning was not my intent; I did say he should
back up. What I am saying is that false comments are possible,
whether from the main operating system, test programs, or other.
Folkert, pointed out, a high temperature warning without a sensor.
False warnings are possible, yes. Does one operate on the assumption that
all warnings are false until proven otherwise?
C
CJT
Err on the side of caution.J. Clarke said:George E. Cawthon wrote:
I see. And so one should assume that there is such a glitch rather than
that the information provided is accurate on that basis?
But once the backup is in hand, tinkering is probably reasonably
harmless.
G
George E. Cawthon
J. Clarke said:I see. And so one should assume that there is such a glitch rather than
that the information provided is accurate on that basis?
I think you are being obtuse. Not what I said or implied. You assume
the info is probably correct but always leave some doubt, especially
with other information available.
G
George E. Cawthon
J. Clarke said:False warnings are possible, yes. Does one operate on the assumption that
all warnings are false until proven otherwise?
Not worthy of a reply.
J
J. Clarke
George said:I think you are being obtuse. Not what I said or implied. You assume
the info is probably correct but always leave some doubt, especially
with other information available.
What "other information" is available in this case that has relevance?
J
J. Clarke
George said:Not worthy of a reply.
Then why did you?
F
Folkert Rienstra
J. Clarke said:False warnings are possible, yes. Does one operate on the assumption
that all warnings are false until proven otherwise?
Nope, but when there were no indications of sectors being replaced
(frequent stalls) and no other hardware testing programs show anything
wrong either, then that assumption may be correct in this particular case.
F
Folkert Rienstra
Monster said:It means your harddrive is running out of emergency sectors to replace
developing bad sectors.
What an elegant description, I must borrow that.
Here is how it works, on most hds there is a little
extra space put aside to replace bad sectors.
That is too elegant.
Actually it is quite a bit, up to 1% of the drive's capacity.
In his case some 2 million spare sectors.
The value depends on the hd, some of them from 255 sectors others
100 sectors.
And that is bare nonsense.
Everytime the hd detects a bad sector it replaces it with
one from the emergency sector and reduces the count by one.
Nope.
So 255 becomes 254 and 253
Yes,but not with every occurence of a reallocation.
About every 1% of 1% of the drive's capacity.
That is once per every 20.000 sectors spared.
and so on until it reaches the threshold. At 63, it gives you a warning and
a chance to backup your data. In your case you are down to only 3 left.
When it runs out, you'll start seeing your system freeze up
Nope, you will see that every time when a "developing" bad sector is detected.
and your data corrupted.
Nope, either very slow or missing, not corrupted.
The warning is perfectly reasonable, your data is still good but it won't be
if you don't replace the hd.
Mr Anderson said:I have downloaded and installed the trial version of "Active Smart 2.41"
(http://www.ariolic.com).
As soon as I started the programme a warning popup windows appears with the
following message:
"WARNING! The drive Maxtor 6Y120MO, 122.9 GB [S/N: Y31XRT1E] indicated a
S.M.A.R.T error condition. Immediately back-up your data and replace this
hard drive!
A failure may be imminent"
In the status window of the programme the item "Reallocated Sector Count" is
red
Threshold 63
Value 3
Worst 3
What does it mean? Is really my hard drive about to crash??
Thanks for your time
V
Valerio Vanni
Then why did you?
If you want to reply, please quote correctly!
J
J. Clarke
Valerio said:If you want to reply, please quote correctly!
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
If you want to bitch about posting styles, go to Hell.
<plonk>
E
Eric Gisin
**** off troll!
Valerio Vanni said:If you want to reply, please quote correctly!
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
M
Mr Anderson
Maxtor wrote me:
Dear Sir/Madam,
Further to your enquiry, please find attached our new diagnostic and
low-level format utility, PowerMax. It features a new drive installation
test, and includes support for our latest SATA and UDMA133 products. If you
were receiving an error-code from a previous version of our diagnostic
software, please reconfirm the results with this new version.
PLEASE NOTE that you will not be able to run this utility on a SCSI hard
drive, on a Macintosh system or an external drive. There is a special
utility called SCSIMax for testing SCSI drives. There are no Maxtor
utilities for testing hard drives on Maxintosh or for external drives,
however it is possible to test these with third party utilities (e.g. Norton
Disk Doctor)
- PowerMax can be obtained from the following (if not already attached to
this email):
Maxtor's World Wide Web Site at
http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm
- Filename PowerMax.exe
- Unzip the attached file (doesn't apply when PowerMax was downloaded from
the web)
- Please insert a floppy and double click the unzipped or downloaded file.
PowerMax will create a bootable disk.
- Reboot the system with the floppy inserted. This will automatically run
the utility.
If you are unable to create a bootable floppy (i.e. your only operating
system is Linux or you don't have a floppy drive), please contact us again
and we will send you the program, without the floppy creator.
PowerMax v 4.09 will not provide support for many embedded or add in RAID
controllers. It also doesn't provide support for NVIDIA nForce 3, nForce 4
or the latest VIA chipsets (KT600 or newer). If the hard disk is connected
to an unsupported controller, it will have to be moved to an alternate
system or controller for diagnosis.
Please note that all data will be erased when performing a low-level format
on the drive. Don't forget to back up all important data beforehand.
NOTE: Please take great care when selecting the drive or remove any other
hard drives you might have in your system which you don't want to test or
overwrite.
If you need more help please don't hesitate to contact us again. In order to
allow us to deal with all enquiries as efficiently and accurately as
possible we would ask that you include any previous emails when replying to
us.
Kind Regards,
Ian McHardy
Technical Support Team, Maxtor Ireland Ltd.
What do you think?
Dear Sir/Madam,
Further to your enquiry, please find attached our new diagnostic and
low-level format utility, PowerMax. It features a new drive installation
test, and includes support for our latest SATA and UDMA133 products. If you
were receiving an error-code from a previous version of our diagnostic
software, please reconfirm the results with this new version.
PLEASE NOTE that you will not be able to run this utility on a SCSI hard
drive, on a Macintosh system or an external drive. There is a special
utility called SCSIMax for testing SCSI drives. There are no Maxtor
utilities for testing hard drives on Maxintosh or for external drives,
however it is possible to test these with third party utilities (e.g. Norton
Disk Doctor)
- PowerMax can be obtained from the following (if not already attached to
this email):
Maxtor's World Wide Web Site at
http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm
- Filename PowerMax.exe
- Unzip the attached file (doesn't apply when PowerMax was downloaded from
the web)
- Please insert a floppy and double click the unzipped or downloaded file.
PowerMax will create a bootable disk.
- Reboot the system with the floppy inserted. This will automatically run
the utility.
If you are unable to create a bootable floppy (i.e. your only operating
system is Linux or you don't have a floppy drive), please contact us again
and we will send you the program, without the floppy creator.
PowerMax v 4.09 will not provide support for many embedded or add in RAID
controllers. It also doesn't provide support for NVIDIA nForce 3, nForce 4
or the latest VIA chipsets (KT600 or newer). If the hard disk is connected
to an unsupported controller, it will have to be moved to an alternate
system or controller for diagnosis.
Please note that all data will be erased when performing a low-level format
on the drive. Don't forget to back up all important data beforehand.
NOTE: Please take great care when selecting the drive or remove any other
hard drives you might have in your system which you don't want to test or
overwrite.
If you need more help please don't hesitate to contact us again. In order to
allow us to deal with all enquiries as efficiently and accurately as
possible we would ask that you include any previous emails when replying to
us.
Kind Regards,
Ian McHardy
Technical Support Team, Maxtor Ireland Ltd.
What do you think?
V
Valerio Vanni
If you want to bitch about posting styles, go to Hell.
<plonk>
Plonk to you too
V
Valerio Vanni
Ok.**** off troll!
plonk
G
George E. Cawthon
J. Clarke said:What "other information" is available in this case that has relevance?
Read the thread.
J
J. Clarke
George said:Read the thread.
I've "read the thread" and I do not see where the OP has posted any "other
information" that has relevance.
F
Folkert Rienstra
J. Clarke said:I've "read the thread" and I do not see where the OP has posted any "other
information" that has relevance.
That is because you don't want tot see it.
Why don't you ask him what the actual (the fourth value and referred to
as "Data" that usually also is reported) "Reallocated Sector Count" was?
It should be humungous, so why didn't he report it?
Why doesn't any other test he did give any problems?
Why did he never experience any problems before he looked at the S.M.A.R.T.
history with Active SMART?
On the other hand, this could just be a very elaborate troll by our old friend
Vallerio Vanni.
M
Mr Anderson
Folkert Rienstra said:That is because you don't want tot see it.
Why don't you ask him what the actual (the fourth value and referred to
as "Data" that usually also is reported) "Reallocated Sector Count" was?
It should be humungous, so why didn't he report it?
Why doesn't any other test he did give any problems?
Why did he never experience any problems before he looked at the S.M.A.R.T.
history with Active SMART?
On the other hand, this could just be a very elaborate troll by our old friend
Vallerio Vanni.
Are you talking about me?
J
J. Clarke
Folkert said:That is because you don't want tot see it.
This is true--I do not spend my life looking for deep dark conspiracies.
Why don't you ask him what the actual (the fourth value and referred to
as "Data" that usually also is reported) "Reallocated Sector Count" was?
Because I don't particularly want to know?
It should be humungous, so why didn't he report it?
Because he didn't know that it was important?
Why doesn't any other test he did give any problems?
Why would any other test give any p[roblem?
Why did he never experience any problems before he looked at the
S.M.A.R.T. history with Active SMART?
Why would he experience any problems?
On the other hand, this could just be a very elaborate troll by our old
friend Vallerio Vanni.
Hmm--I just killfiled Vallerio--if you don't like him maybe he has some
redeeming qualities after all.