Is it worth buying 4GB RAM for an XP machine?

[John Doe]

You are thinking of the way things were five or ten years ago.
Nowadays people are paid to write drivers for Linux.

From NVIDIA's web site.

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

Using "Linux" in the Operating System field.

"No downloads were found for your configuration."

That applies to every piece of hardware I looked for. Maybe you can
find an exception there. But more likely we will hear the worn out
"somewhere over the rainbow... at sourceforge" mantra. That's a
fantasy land argument, meaningless to a real PC user.

 

[DevilsPGD]

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Don't bother telling me about resources and depth of processing, I
said fast and responsive, I'm not implying an 800MHz ppc chip is a
match in depth and breadth with a duo or quad core. But mail, news,
text processing, DTP and so on, the daily stuff is fast and responsive.

Indeed.

NT4 on a high end 486 was a real pleasure to use too, for it's day.

The real reason I am posting is that no one seems to be willing to
address the question, is 4G RAM for XP worth it?

The reason I ask is that I have onboard graphics on my duo and was
wondering if I brought it up to 4G of dual channel RAM would that RAM
be used as shared gfx RAM and leave XP with the 3.4ish it is supposed
to "see" or would it just not be there?

You're in a relatively rare arena where you may actually get the benefit
of most of your RAM, although some will still likely be lost.

Honestly the answer is likely motherboard specific, you will probably
have to test to find out, I doubt anyone here can tell you conclusively.

 

[Matt]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

Bill

When I used Fedora, I used to update my nvidia drivers manually. It
took a few hours to figure it out (4-5 years ago). It meant 10-15
minutes work including a reboot every few months. I don't know how many
of those updates improved anything. As I recall, when I switched to
Suse, updating the nvidia drivers got to be downright troublesome
through no fault of nvidia, I believe. Since switching to Ubuntu, I've
hardly thought about it, and video seems to work fine.

 

[John Doe]

The real reason I am posting is that no one seems to be willing to
address the question, is 4G RAM for XP worth it?

But in fact the question was addressed immediately.

No one can tell you whether something is worth buying unless they know
what you have, your needs, and your finances.

 

[JAD]

Dude,
Are you cutting and pasting rhetoric from 1990? You Linux freaks are all the same. Like I
said I was messing with that POS back when it had a chance. AFA govn and schools go, well
have you looked at what the gov and schools do on an everyday basis? They couldn't find
their collective asses with both hands.

Linux: Attitude first, OS second! And thats a fact you can hold unto. class-ass proves
that.

 

[JAD]

Exactly.

OMG what an ignorant statement...and for you to agree?,,,,pffft

 

[John Doe]

I must have completely missed that as it appears you have
completely missed the context of my question:

I saw what you are calling the context but that should have come
before that single paragraph inaccurate criticism IMO. Whatever.

*"The reason I ask is that I have onboard graphics on my duo and
was *wondering if I brought it up to 4G of dual channel RAM would
that RAM *be used as shared gfx RAM and leave XP with the 3.4ish
it is supposed *to "see" or would it just not be there?"

Onboard gfx and XP on a duo MB.

Specifically, P5B-VM core2duo +2G with 256M of shared gfx memory
running WindowsXP.

How much memory does Windows XP see now? If it sees all of your
memory, then apparently the shared video RAM is coming from that.
Open a video memory hungry application and open Task Manager.
Arrange processes by memory usage and look to see if that's on top.

I was hoping someone here had the info off the top of their head,
ie. experience with such a setup to allow my curiousity to be
assuaged.

Do you even know how much video memory your applications use now?

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[John Doe]

....

I installed Ubuntu 64 bit on an all onboard LGA 775 MB of very
recent vintage, sound, gfx, nic etc were all found and recognised.
While not a Linux or Windows fan I have certainly come to
appreciate the ease of use and upkeep of this particular
distribution which is mostly at a level of auto magic ie. no
effort on my part.

It would be major problem here since I depend on speech for
dictation to and automation of my PC.

 

[John Doe]

Did you actually look at the links before spouting off? Or are
you a typical M$ fanboy.... spouts off without actually checking
their facts?

You are in a personal computer user group, where 95% use Windows,
troll.

Get a life.

 

[JAD]

DuH!!!

I was referring to the same old line.....and you have just validated that, as those LINKS
are no different than the links of old...........same BS different decade

 

[Alex Baumann]

class_a wrote:

Not at all. The problem is people try to move over to linux and try to
bring their idiotic Windows ways of doing things with them and then
blame linux when it doesn't do what they expect. Linux != Windows so
don't expect it to do things exactly the same. If someone, with no
prior computer knowledge, started to learn on a linux system they would
have no more bother than they do on a Windows box. You sound like an
ideal candidate for reading http://l

Just out of curiosity, are your parents siblings?

 

[John Doe]

So, you're saying that the BBC story about the court case that cost
Micro$oft $1.4 BILLION a few weeks ago is BS? Maybe you should tell the
BBC that.

You seriously need to get a life.

 

[John Doe]

What makes you ask that?

Maybe because you're a persistent nuisance. This is a personal
computer users group. Even those of us who aren't happy about some
of Microsoft's activities over the years realize that, for the sake
of efficiency, there can be only one personal computer operating
system and windows happens to be it. This isn't an advocacy group,
it's a technical help group. Schilling for Linux doesn't help
anybody here.

 

[John Doe]

....


Only because my comments do not agree with your twisted view of
things you think I'm a nuisance?

No, actually I agree that your parents probably were siblings.

And linux is used on personal computers so discussion of linux and
Microsoft very much fits into the aim of the group.

Wrong. This is a technical help group. And your aim here is
not to discuss, it's to troll.

Well, this sure is a funny looking version of Windows I have on my
computer considering it wasn't made my Microsoft. The very fact I
(and many others) do NOT use Windows proves your comment incorrect
(as usual).

About 95% of PC users use Windows, troll. This is not an advocacy
group, this group is not for promoting your closet dweller, sibling
parent Linux Lunatic operating system.

Didn't you say linux was too technical for normal users?

No, troll. Compared to Windows, Linux doesn't run personal computer
applications, that's the problem. Professional software publishers
don't write PC applications for Linux because its PC user base is
tiny.

In that case
you want technical discussions on here just as long as they are
not too technical?

This is a technical help group for personal computer users. You
shilling for Linux is not providing technical help here. If someone
asks a question about Linux, then oddly you would be on topic to
reply.

Maybe, but it does open peoples eyes to Microsofts bully-boy and
illegal tactics that they won't get from the spotty kid in Best
Buy.

I'd like to see you conversing with someone in person. But you
probably don't spit like you do here. Nobody cares. Nobody here or
there needs the help of a Linux Lunatic. But that's a good idea, go
be a nuisance at BestBuy.

 

[JAD]

it is obvious that the xinux cultist have wiped your mind of rational thought...you spout
ALL the xinux cliches' ,,sad really ...but good luck to you.
AFA MS and lawsuits....MS didn't do anything different than any other Big corp...just the
whiners that were left in the dust couldn't take it, so instead of stepping up and making
a superior product, they cried...boohoo....Linux: Attitude first -OS second

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> John Doe

Maybe because you're a persistent nuisance. This is a personal
computer users group. Even those of us who aren't happy about some
of Microsoft's activities over the years realize that, for the sake
of efficiency, there can be only one personal computer operating
system and windows happens to be it. This isn't an advocacy group,
it's a technical help group. Schilling for Linux doesn't help
anybody here.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here.

As for my bias, I'm a Microsoft guy, although I have tried to branch out
a little on and off over the years, I've always ended up with Microsoft
products.

I'm currently just finishing swearing up a storm as after a recent power
outage, all of my 2003 servers came back up, all of my Vista boxes did,
my one OSX box survived, FreeBSD firewall was happy too... Even the
Win98 virtual machine I left running came back up.

Neither of my Linux boxes would bother to boot (filesystem corruption,
more or less unrecoverable by automated tools, and it was easier to
rebuild then to figure out if it would be possible to hire assistance)

That being said, I thank $DIETY that we have Linux, FreeBSD, and OSX. As
users, e *need* competition. Microsoft needs it too.

Look at how long we were stuck with IE6 -- It took Mozilla to get
Microsoft even remotely interested in developing IE.

(And yes, I'm mainly a Firefox user, and have been since before Phoenix
was anything but nightlies)

 

[John Doe]

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here.

As for my bias, I'm a Microsoft guy,

That being said, I thank $DIETY that we have Linux, FreeBSD, and
OSX. As users, e *need* competition. Microsoft needs it too.

Look at how long we were stuck with IE6 -- It took Mozilla to get
Microsoft even remotely interested in developing IE.

That example is pointless because I wasn't talking about
applications. Yes you are a Microsoft guy if you believe Internet
Explorer is part of the personal computer operating system.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> John Doe

That example is pointless because I wasn't talking about
applications. Yes you are a Microsoft guy if you believe Internet
Explorer is part of the personal computer operating system.

I don't believe IE part of an OS in general, although it's certainly
part of Windows.

However, it's a perfect example of why Microsoft needs competition. All
companies do.