Is it worth buying 4GB RAM for an XP machine?

[John Doe]

Not able to find an application that doesn't have a free linux
equivalent so your resort to abuse?

If anything, you deserve abuse, troll.

 

[John Doe]

Such as?

Such as stuff I talk about regularly in this group, troll.

Were you hiding in the closet instead of finding out how an E6850
can possibly be faster than an overclocked Q6600 when both run at
3GHz,

You are off-topic in this thread and you are generally just an
off-topic troll in this group.

Get a life.

 

[JAD]

XP is unstable when compared to linux. It's certainly better than Win95 and Win98
though.

As it should be ..servers need to be stable. However windows is a HOME use OS as well as
in the business arena. Unlike server os's it is bombarded be new software and hardware.
Drivers are always a issue because MS writes very few of them. Sorry...was around when
linux was touted the next big OS, but we all know if you were around then that, "LINUX is
attitude first, OS second", and that kept it from being anything.

 

[Matt]

Sorry...was around when
linux was touted the next big OS, but we all know if you were around then that, "LINUX is
attitude first, OS second", and that kept it from being anything.

You're still around now, but I don't think you're much aware of recent
moves toward Linux adoption by schools and governments.

 

[John Doe]

You're still around now, but I don't think you're much aware of
recent moves toward Linux adoption by schools and governments.

The completely and utterly dominant position of Windows has only
strengthened in commercial markets. And Microsoft deeply discounts
the price of Windows for any market it thinks might be important. If
Microsoft cares about a particular market where Linux might be
chosen over Windows, Microsoft floods that market with cheap or free
Windows. Linux being used by a particular school or government is
meaningless in the big picture.

 

[John Doe]

You really do talk some crap at times!!

Says a Linux Lunatic.

The dominant position of Windows is not down to it being a better
product but because of the underhanded and illegal tactics that
Microsoft employed to get to that position. Remember the DoJ
court case in the US?

Yes, I'm not just a troll spewing garbage, I followed that trial for
years and corresponded with the Friend of the Court.



<Snipped rest of the troll's idiotic rant>

 

[Ken]

IF it was such a "100% stable" (??) opsys, why do I have to reboot my
work machine daily (or more) just to be able to print MS Word docs?

Hardware problem.
http://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199601761

 

[Ken]

That old horsepucky about neutrons, cosmic rays, and ECC RAM?
Yes, it's possible.. probable *NO* !!

If that were the case, why don't the machines close to me have
the same problem?

Hardware.

 

[Mac Cool]

You know the one damning thing that you've written... you admit to using
XP at both home and work. For all your fervor, you cannot function
without XP.


class_a:

If you don't do kernel updates in linux, you don't need to reboot at
myth

believe the reason Windoze needs to be rebooted almost every time an

Only in your head, if you want a stable Windows machine, I'll be glad to
help you out. Clearly you are unable to rise above the clueless masses.

Linux is about choice, something you don't get with Windows!

I made the choice to use an OS that allows me to do everything I need to
do without constantly fiddling with it. XP is a means to an end, not my
hobby.

With Windows, everyone is forced to use the same thing.

linux is a hobby OS, people who like excuses to fiddle with their
computer in their spare time like linux because it keeps them out of the
sun.

The first example that springs instantly to mind for Usenet binaries
is Pan (http://freshmeat.net/projects/pan/). There are lots of
others.

I don't work with vector graphics so don't know any off the top

Don't step up if you can't hit the ball. Pan is a piece of shit and
sucks for binaries. It was obvious you would name it since it's the only
newsreader for linux that works. You couldn't even name one professional
level vector graphics app.

The reason hardware gets obsoleted so quickly is because every
release of a Microsoft OS is more bloated than the last which forces

Somehow you've gotten this far in life without understanding how
business works... what is the average lifespan of tech products and I'm
not just referring to computers? Not very long if you haven't noticed.
Unlike the linux world, people actually get paid to write drivers for
Windows so that Windows users can take advantage of new technology
before it becomes obsolete.

That was years ago..... try naming me something that is not supported
in the latest linux distros today! USB mice? Wireless mice?
graphics cards? firewire? Yup, yup, yup and yup. Linux had native
S-ATA support on their install discs before Microsoft had!!

Well, linux is in a constant state of repair so new install discs are
created weekly. I'm glad though that linux has finally caught up to
Windows driverwise.

complete. Try installing XP or Vista from scratch, install all the

I have to admit, you are correct. Linux does install very easily and the
process beats MS in every way. God forbid when something inevitably
breaks, but the install is truly brilliant.

And the extra support Microsoft has???..... oh yeah, PAY Microsoft or
someone with a Microsoft "qualification" to fix their broken product.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I've used MS support twice and
it was outstanding. Not only did they patiently help me solve my problem
(at no charge) but followed up with phone calls and emails for a couple
of weeks afterward both times to make sure the problem stayed fixed. And
I'm just an ordinary joe. On one of those calls, a MS tech stayed on the
line for 4.5 hours while we resolved the problem, a problem caused by
Real Player, not even their application but it had somehow mangled the
registry when I tried to uninstall it.

If you don't want to do that, I can state categorically that the
support you will receive for linux on newsgroups and forums is much
more accurate and detailed than that provided on Windows groups,

You're insane, not even close. linux support is the absolute worst
feature about it. If something breaks its usually easier for a new user
to reinstall than figure out to fix it.

And you have evidence to the contrary?

I presented as much evidence as you.

You are a Microsoft fanboy and I claim my $5.

Oh no! First I was a troll, now a fanboy... countdown to facsist, I can
see it coming.

Yes it is.

Spend some time away from Slashdot, all the subliminal 'everything is
microsoft's fault' has gotten to you.

As I said further up, I don't use cheap hardware and when I did use
Windows the machine was swept regularly for 'nasties' (which is
additional support time that is not required for linux).

And yet you have an unstable machine, or you so you claim. Maybe the
stability problems are in your head. Next time you crash post here about
it and you might learn something.

You'd install Vista on my hardware to make it slower?

I bet you jerk off during those mac commercials.

The latest distros of linux will run on a Pentium-1, will Vista?

It doesn't need to, it supports modern hardware.

And your evidence to the contrary?

Hmmm, lets look our post count over the weekend.

Me = zero, because I was out planting my garden, went to barbeque

You = a bunch, guess you were camped out spreading your linux mythology
and trolling hardware groups or maybe trying to get your mouse to work
in linux, who knows.

 

[Mac Cool]

Claude Hopper (11) 5. ?:

Get 4 gig. It will come in handy when you convert to Linux and a dual
boot machine.

If linux actually worked I wouldn't need to dual boot. I'll stick with the
one OS that does work.

 

[Matt]

linux is a hobby OS

That is a very limited view. I believe you are uninformed.

 

[Paul]

That old horsepucky about neutrons, cosmic rays, and ECC RAM? Yes, it's
possible.. probable *NO* !!

If that were the case, why don't the machines close to me have the same
problem?

Must be the can of SPAM (genuine Hormel low-sodium) that sits atop the
box, then.

Then if the box is stable, you'd be able to run Prime95 on it, without
getting any errors. This is a good test of processor, northbridge, and
memory. When prompted, select torture test and use the default settings.
This version starts a thread per core. (If it is a work machine, and the
machine is not needed on the weekend, perhaps you could run the program
during an interval when the machine is not otherwise occupied.) If any
errors are detected, then the machine is not as stable as you think.
(This program can detect an error in as little as 10 seconds. That is
on a machine I was overclocking at the time.)

http://www.mersenne.org/gimps/p95v255a.zip

Paul

 

[John Doe]

That is a very limited view. I believe you are uninformed.

Linux is a server OS. For PC users, it's pretty much useless since
it requires dual booting to Windows anyway. I do efficiency, so
running Linux and the required Windows too isn't my idea of fun.

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[John Doe]

Linux is about choice,

You are an ignorant troll. The personal computer operating system
(Windows) is a standard programmers write to. Programmers and
comsumers chose Windows to begin with, and now Windows is entrenched
and there is no practical way to choose anything else. To help you
get a clue and do more than just spew nonsense, read the Microsoft
versus Department of Justice anti-trust trial district/appeals court
documents. Seriously, you might actually enjoy learning something
about the subject you are trolling about (anything is possible).

 

[John Doe]

class_a wrote:
....

You know the one damning thing that you've written... you admit to
using XP at both home and work. For all your fervor, you cannot
function without XP.

Yup.

Back before programmers did much for Windows, I spent countless
hours dwelling on the OS. Now, got my hands full pushing my system
to do neat things. Don't need to mess with it anymore (except
maybe for speech which IMO should already be a solidly functional
part of the OS), got lots of applications to play with.

Don't step up if you can't hit the ball.

.... or without even bringing a bat.

Unlike the linux world, people actually get paid to write drivers
for Windows

Yup, and for writing applications. You get what you pay for.

You get nowhere fast.

It doesn't need to, it supports modern hardware.

That's funny.

 

[Ed Cregger]

Linux does work. It's only computer illiterates that have problems with
it!

I have noticed that Linux folks like to keep Linux complicated and
convoluted so that they can feel superior to others. It's sad, really.

Ed Cregger

 

[John Doe]

Mac Cool wrote:

True, but that is only because I don't use professional level
vector graphics apps

That narrowminded logic is typical of your arguments.

Maybe you do so it is of interest to you (it's not to me), or
maybe you just think you know everything about everything.....
people like that tend to be hateful bar-stewards who think they
know it all but tend to know very little!!

But in fact, he is the original author, and you are just a troll
spewing off topic garbage.

LOL. I'm a quick typist. It doesn't take long to rip you
comments to shreds.

You're a worthless troll with a big fat ego.

 

[Matt]

Unlike the linux world, people actually get paid to write drivers for
Windows so that Windows users can take advantage of new technology
before it becomes obsolete.

You are thinking of the way things were five or ten years ago. Nowadays
people are paid to write drivers for Linux.

 

[Matt]

I have noticed that Linux folks like to keep Linux complicated and
convoluted so that they can feel superior to others. It's sad, really.

Ed Cregger

Try Ubuntu.

 

[Alex Baumann]

I have noticed that Linux folks like to keep Linux complicated and
convoluted so that they can feel superior to others. It's sad, really.

I've noticed something similar, depending upon the venue. Clearly only an
idiot would claim, "It's only computer illiterates that have problems with
it!". Comments of this type are frequent on Digg and Slashdork.

If a person wants to spend a bit of time and energy with one of the more
popular Linux distros the results are often quite satisfactory. This is
not to say installation and configuration will be trouble free. A recent
install of Kubuntu 8.04 went sideways after the first reboot. A hour
later, on the very same hardware, Debian Etch installed flawlessly. This
is odd since Kubuntu is a derivative of Debian testing.