IP5000 Advice Required

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Pardon me, you did say syndrome, BUT WHAT syndrome ?

Syndrome =
A pattern of behaviour, a pattern of events, a characteristic of some
problem or condition.

Davy
 
I am not going to continue to respond to these messages (not that anyone
asked me to, mind you).

Much of Davy's conjecture as to what caused the failure of his printers
is indeed conjecture, and some is likely just not likely, based upon my
knowledge of the printers.

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock can
cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although rare
since most of the time the purging process will remove the air bubble.

Cleaning the heads more than 4 times in a row is likely quite wasteful
of ink, since after 4 times, the printer is likely not going to unclog
by those cleaning cycles alone, so it's a waste of ink, which just helps
to fill the waste ink pads, so why do it? I don't think it is likely to
damage the heads either. Epson does suggest going through a cycle which
does escalate the cleaning process, by running a nozzle check between
each cleaning cycle.

People who work with Epson regularly are apparently not having the same
difficulties some report here, and there rae advantages that make the
Epson printers better value for their majority clientele. Literally,
almost every photographer or artists I know, who use giclee output use
Epson printers. This seems to be by word of mouth because Epson isn't
big on advertising bucks compared to the other brands.

There is a definite reason so many are brand loyal to Epson in the
critical photo and art biz. ...To the point that possible extra
maintenence doesn't deter them.

For the general public wishing a low end, low cost, low maintence
printer, I don't advise Epson .

I'll not continue to defend the products in continual replies to Davy's
personal vendetta. He got a bad deal, apparentely, and so his
objectivity has gone completely right out the window. He also is
speaking of one of the lowest priced Epson printers making it a product
that probably doesn't have the QC that higher end models do. When you
buy a printer that literally costs less than the ink cartridges in the
package, the printer is not what they want to sell you.

Art
 
Arthur said:
I am not going to continue to respond to these messages (not that
anyone asked me to, mind you).

Much of Davy's conjecture as to what caused the failure of his
printers is indeed conjecture, and some is likely just not likely,
based upon my knowledge of the printers.

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock
can cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Cleaning the heads more than 4 times in a row is likely quite
wasteful of ink, since after 4 times, the printer is likely not going
to unclog by those cleaning cycles alone, so it's a waste of ink,
which just helps to fill the waste ink pads, so why do it? I don't
think it is likely to damage the heads either. Epson does suggest
going through a cycle which does escalate the cleaning process, by
running a nozzle check between each cleaning cycle.
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Nikon is still a top notch camera. Years ago they were the very best
and Canon was a distant runner up. Today Canon is the choice and Nikon
is a close runner up. Canon is getting ready to replace Epson as the
leader. There just seems to be fewer problems with them.
People who work with Epson regularly are apparently not having the
same difficulties some report here, and there rae advantages that make
the Epson printers better value for their majority clientele.
Literally, almost every photographer or artists I know, who use giclee
output use Epson printers. This seems to be by word of mouth because
Epson isn't big on advertising bucks compared to the other brands.

There is a definite reason so many are brand loyal to Epson in the
critical photo and art biz. ...To the point that possible extra
maintenence doesn't deter them.
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The only reason is better archival characteristics when selling their work.
For the general public wishing a low end, low cost, low maintence
printer, I don't advise Epson .

I'll not continue to defend the products in continual replies to
Davy's personal vendetta. He got a bad deal, apparentely, and so his
objectivity has gone completely right out the window.
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It is OK he is just pissed off.
 
[quote="Arthur Entlich"

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock
can
cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare
since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Davy say's
Sorry Arthur
I did not say air bubble damages heads Epson said it, would you like
me to E- mail you the letter?



And whilst on subject.
I did not say "you must never ever do a nozzle clean more than 6 times
or heads will be damaged". Epson technical said it, but
unfortunately you will have to take my word as this was on the
telephone.!

Davy
 
No problem with your comment's at all Arthur
Yes conjecture is the very word, but to end I never wanted a super
dooper singin', dancin' printer, all I wanted was a general purpose
printer that worked

and in this day and age it ought not to be an impossibliity now should
it, simply if it is'nt going to be reliable then it should not have
been put on the market.

Yes we do live in a throw away society, shame, but we do and the
reason is things are massed produced.

Really....! all I hear is a cheap printer - low end not gonna last
long, bottom of the range. I bought a Samsung laser printer ML1510
about £48 uk. and its still going strong after 3 toner refills with
the original toner tank drum, sure does beat the hell out of a C62.

But to have two items break down in the same way, in the same time
leaves a lot to be desired and once more Epson are not even
concerend.

It will be a long time before I trust that brand again.

Davy.
 
Davy said:
[quote="Arthur Entlich"

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock
can
cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare
since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Davy say's
Sorry Arthur
I did not say air bubble damages heads Epson said it, would you like
me to E- mail you the letter?
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Artie Fartie thinks he is a know it all. Him and the pious one think
they know everything. Cut from the same cloth.
And whilst on subject.
I did not say "you must never ever do a nozzle clean more than 6 times
or heads will be damaged". Epson technical said it, but
unfortunately you will have to take my word
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Not likely.
 
Davy said:
[quote="Arthur Entlich"

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock
can
cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare
since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Davy say's
Sorry Arthur
I did not say air bubble damages heads Epson said it, would you like
me to E- mail you the letter?



And whilst on subject.
I did not say "you must never ever do a nozzle clean more than 6 times
or heads will be damaged". Epson technical said it, but
unfortunately you will have to take my word as this was on the
telephone.!

Davy
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Seems a little strange then that the printer will *allow* you to do as many
head cleans in a row as you feel like doing....wouldn't that be classed as
negligent on Epson's part?
 
Ivor Floppywrote:
Davy said:
Arthur Entlichwrote: [quote="Arthur Entlich"

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock
can

Epson Said AIR BUBBLES---------------------Davy said that


cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Oh, AUTO HEAD CLEAN eh, well I never.........................Davy said that

Davy say's
Sorry Arthur
I did not say air bubble damages heads Epson said it, would you like
me to E- mail you the letter?

Correct----------------------Davy did say that



And whilst on subject.
I did not say "you must never ever do a nozzle clean more than 6 times
or heads will be damaged". Epson technical said it, but
unfortunately you will have to take my word as this was on the
telephone.!

Correct----------------------Davy said that

Seems a little strange then that the printer will *allow* you to do
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as many


"Ink Guzzler" sound familier eh
It wastes ink and you forgot it was in overdrive----------Davy said
that


head cleans in a row as you feel like doing....wouldn't that be
classed as
negligent on Epson's

No Mi lord, it just does what it does NATURALLY-----Davy said that
 
When you talk about the best camera from either Canon or Nikon you are
somewhat off track as you seem to forget, if you every knew, that they are
film cameras you are comparing. I still have, and use a Nikon F4 because it
is a dream to use but is a real pain to carry a bag full of lens around. I
now use digital compacts of 6 & 7 mp and often compare the photo's taken on
both. Even now the 35mm film camera leaves the digi standing, no doubt that
will change as digital products improve. So what is your meaning that Canon
cameras are second rate to Nikon, that's the biggest load of balls I have
read in quite a time. Canon or Nikon has nothing to do with taking pictures
it's the person using the camera that produces the result. So which is best,
it's marketing hype that sells the cameras and printers to snappers like you
and Davy. I will put money on, that the leaking head Davy had was most
likely caused by injecting cleaner directly into the heads and to much
pressure from the syringe caused the head to weep. You know the saying,
desperate measures by desperate people.
 
If I had the time to decode your quotes from the rest of the message I'd
probably bother replying, but as you can't be bothered to quote in a way
that is readable I'm putting you into my ignored posters until you do.

Davy said:
Ivor Floppywrote:
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Davy said:
Arthur Entlichwrote: [quote="Arthur Entlich"

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air lock
can

Epson Said AIR BUBBLES---------------------Davy said that


cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Oh, AUTO HEAD CLEAN eh, well I never.........................Davy said that

Davy say's
Sorry Arthur
I did not say air bubble damages heads Epson said it, would you like
me to E- mail you the letter?

Correct----------------------Davy did say that



And whilst on subject.
I did not say "you must never ever do a nozzle clean more than 6 times
or heads will be damaged". Epson technical said it, but
unfortunately you will have to take my word as this was on the
telephone.!

Correct----------------------Davy said that

Seems a little strange then that the printer will *allow* you to do
Click to expand...
as many


"Ink Guzzler" sound familier eh
It wastes ink and you forgot it was in overdrive----------Davy said
that


head cleans in a row as you feel like doing....wouldn't that be
classed as
negligent on Epson's

No Mi lord, it just does what it does NATURALLY-----Davy said that
Click to expand...
 
I doubt he did. Although most of the people that have many problems can
trace it down to aftermarket inks of one sort or another. But they do
not know who made that faulty ink so they cannot tell anyone. This
happens to be one of the bad characteristics of the aftermarket industry.

Now I do expect Artie Fartie and Burtie Furtie or on of their disciples
to counter that because they had such a wonderful experience.
 
Floppy Dropie drops another who bites the dust.

These are all threats. Burtie Furtie, Artie Fartie, and Frankie Crankie
all promised to put me in the ignore file but I always can count on them
to respond. Right Girls :-P :-D :-*

Ivor said:
If I had the time to decode your quotes from the rest of the message I'd
probably bother replying, but as you can't be bothered to quote in a way
that is readable I'm putting you into my ignored posters until you do.


Ivor Floppywrote:
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message

Arthur Entlichwrote:
Click to expand...
[quote="Arthur Entlich"

I have yet to see an Epson head damaged by air bubbles. An air

lock


can

Epson Said AIR BUBBLES---------------------Davy said that


cause the ink not to flow until it is corrected, however, although
rare since most of the time the purging process will remove the air
bubble.

Oh, AUTO HEAD CLEAN eh, well I never.........................Davy
Click to expand...
said that

Davy say's
Sorry Arthur
I did not say air bubble damages heads Epson said it, would you

like


me to E- mail you the letter?

Correct----------------------Davy did say that



And whilst on subject.
I did not say "you must never ever do a nozzle clean more than 6

times


or heads will be damaged". Epson technical said it, but
unfortunately you will have to take my word as this was on the
telephone.!

Correct----------------------Davy said that

Seems a little strange then that the printer will *allow* you to do
Click to expand...
as many


"Ink Guzzler" sound familier eh
It wastes ink and you forgot it was in overdrive----------Davy said
that


head cleans in a row as you feel like doing....wouldn't that be
classed as
negligent on Epson's

No Mi lord, it just does what it does NATURALLY-----Davy said that
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Shooter said:
When you talk about the best camera from either Canon or Nikon you are
somewhat off track as you seem to forget, if you every knew, that they are
film cameras you are comparing. I still have, and use a Nikon F4 because it
is a dream to use but is a real pain to carry a bag full of lens around. I
now use digital compacts of 6 & 7 mp and often compare the photo's taken on
both. Even now the 35mm film camera leaves the digi standing, no doubt that
will change as digital products improve. So what is your meaning that Canon
cameras are second rate to Nikon, that's the biggest load of balls I have
read in quite a time. Canon or Nikon has nothing to do with taking pictures
it's the person using the camera that produces the result. So which is best,
it's marketing hype that sells the cameras and printers to snappers like you
and Davy. I will put money on, that the leaking head Davy had was most
likely caused by injecting cleaner directly into the heads and to much
pressure from the syringe caused the head to weep. You know the saying,
desperate measures by desperate people.
Click to expand...

Hey Shooter, this clowns mommy bought him a Canon ip5000 (which he still
sleeps with) and now he thinks all things Canon is the only way to go.
He doesn't have a clue about printers or cameras or for that matter,
life itself.
I suggest you kill file his useless ass if you haven't already.
Frank
 
Frank said:
Hey Shooter, this clowns mommy bought him a Canon ip5000 (which he
still sleeps with)
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Your wife sleeps with my canon.
and now he thinks all things Canon is the only way to go.
He doesn't have a clue about printers or cameras or for that matter,
life itself.
I suggest you kill file his useless ass if you haven't already.
Frank
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Then why don't you you dumb son of a bitch.
 
Shooterwrote:
I will put money on, that the leaking head Davy had was most
likely caused by injecting cleaner directly into the heads and to much
pressure from the syringe caused the head to weep. You know the saying,
desperate measures by desperate people.


No no did nothing like that, as a last resort I squirted cleaner
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onto the face not inside the top - made no difference still printed
same.
Its probably in a big hole somewhere on the face of this earth now
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....Lol
 
I still have the 720c on a shelf. Is the failure to cap a difficult or costly
repair? If it could be fixed (cheap), I'd be willing to donate it to a
charity or non-profit org. I sure don't need it sitting around here taking up
space.
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I would suspect the cap has just become dislodged. I will look for a 720 and
take a look at what might be the problem and post a suggestion. I have tried
to email you in the past, that does not seem to ever work :-).

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
 
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