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Sander Vesik
In comp.arch Robert Myers said:
Uhh... Now look at power consumption of teh two chips you are comparing!
Again - this is in the context of spec / watt, not raw spec.
Sander
+++ Out of cheese error +++
Uhh... Now look at power consumption of teh two chips you are comparing!
Again - this is in the context of spec / watt, not raw spec.
+++ Out of cheese error +++
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spinlock
Terje Mathisen said:
LOL, why would you twist fiber?
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Seongbae Park
Sander Vesik said:
From http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/b100x/
The Sun Fire[tm] B100x Blade Server
...
five times the server density of typical one processor 1U servers.
...
1.53-GHz AMD Mobile Athlon XP 1800+ processor.
Seongbae
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Rob Stow
spinlock said:
Because the power cable is being used to support the weight
of the fiber cable. The fiber would perhaps be better
described as being a helix around the power cable.
You see it occasionally in other parts of the world too.
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Robert Myers
No, not as low as Yellowknife or Longyearbyen, but in some cases
amazingly cold considering that liquid water is a requirement. A
while back, I did look at some actual sites on the Eastern side of
Hudson's bay. You'd never need a heat pump, even to do cooling to the
atmosphere.
That answers a question I had but didn't ask, which is can you string
fiber from transmission towers. I was worried about mechanical damage
from being whipped around in the wind.
I think you'd have a waiting line for potential staff. You might haveSee above: Most power plants in Norway are unstaffed.
to send up a team for periodic mental health checks.
RM
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Robert Myers
Well, of course. At the risk of sounding like a one-track record, the
only reason we have monsters like P4, afaict, is the von Neumann
imperative. Otherwise, some version of the Blue Gene architecture or
multi-threaded ULV Pentium-M or similar would be a slam dunk.
Such a solution would be scalable, more energy efficient, possibly
quieter--all the things, in short, that have been discussed in this
thread and more--but you'd need to be able to make use of more than
one thread. If we ever got past the von Neumann paradigm, it would
not be very long before people would look back and wonder why it ever
took so long.
RM
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john jakson
Rupert Pigott said:
I'd go along with that too, if I could replace the big boxes with a
tiny case and no noise. I wasted too much time replacing noisy fans
with newer quite v controled ones and trying to force a medium mobo
into a small briefcase. But most people aren't seeing the small form
factor too often. Laptops are just too proprietary for my partime BeOS
taste.
Look at Taiwan the supplier of most everything PC (I was there for
awhile recently), over there, big is better, except for the Shuttle
cubes even the C3s and miniITX are unavailable in TW. I think we are
going through the equiv of the chrome plated bumpers of 50yrs ago,
most of PC style is about junk and flashy lights.
I wouldn't mind seeing a low cost Beeb like PC again whatever cpu its
takes. Anyway it won't last forever, styles change, LCD panels are
leading that way. Most cpus will eventually probably fit as a backpack
to the LCD panel.
regards
johnjakson_usa_com
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john jakson
Stephen Fuld said:
I thinks the powerline networking is past its sell by date. I wasted
6yrs on it at the wrong place even with Intel backing it. In the local
CompUSA, poweline networking kit based on OFDM was there for awhile,
but haven't seen it recently.
The utility transmission of data doesn't get me too excited either,
too many difficulties, fiber, and wireless won hands down. A
technology that should have worked but didn't due to unforseen
technical difficulties.
regards
johnjakson_usa_com
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Sander Vesik
In comp.arch spinlock said:
you missed the next part - 'around'. and you do it probably so that you
simply lay both atthe same time and don't do it separately for fiber
and cable.
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Triffid
Rob said:
No, but designing a 478 pin slot adapter doesn't look particularly
challenging. Powerleap would likely have one available today if P-M was
priced closer to Tualatin.
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Terje Mathisen
spinlock said:
Think about it!
How would you otherwise attach the fibers to the 300 KVolt cables?
Plastic ties every meter?
Terje
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Terje Mathisen
Sander said:
The power cables have been there for quite a while, so most of them have
had the fibers added much later.
You'd probaly still want to pull the high-voltage cables first, since
that's going to put quite a lot of tension on the aluminum wire.
Afterwards you attach the little fiber-laying robot which travels along
the cable while rotating the unrolling fiber spool around it.
Terje
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RusH
Rob Stow said:
There are miniITX boards with fanless Athlon processors. Via came to my
mind first becouse its the idea of silent reasonable powerfull
(powerless?
) machine .. the idea that didnt took off as it wasexpected.
Pozdrawiam.
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RusH
Rob Stow said:
.... :/ it was a sarcasm directed at Intels "little netburst mistake"
P-M is nothing more than beefed up Tualatin.
Pozdrawiam.
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spinlock
Terje Mathisen said:
Think about it!
Isnt it cheaper and easier just to dig a trench
along the route of the HV towers and lay the fiber
cable in it(like the rest of the world does)?
And what does the "little fiber-laying robot which travels along
the cable while rotating the unrolling fiber spool around it" do when
it comes to a point where the HV cable is attached to an insulator?
None of this even passes the laugh-test!
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Zak
Sander said:
There exist neat devices that get planted on a cable, and install fibre
over the existing cable.
They carry a spool of fibre that gets rolled on. I wonder what the
sleeve is like, and what they are powered off...
Thomas
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Nick Maclaren
In totally unpopulated areas, where there is a sufficient depth of
soil, yes. Otherwise, you may have problems. In the UK, there are
many areas where the earth is unstable because of the presence of
old, unmapped mining - usually a century or two old, but sometimes
a millennium old.
Climbs around it?
No, it's dead serious.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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Terje Mathisen
spinlock said:
Are you trolling?
Hereabouts all trenches needs to be about 2+ meters deep, just to avoid
frost/thaw problems every year. 97% of Norway is hills, lakes, mountains
& fjords, with no regular road access underneath the power lines.
I did try to locate one of the (norwegian) articles that's been written
about the system, just so that I could point you at some photos.
Terje
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George Macdonald
Possibly more than one 5% source as well. At any rate my "reference" is
gone... one might think due to protest from "someone".
It's always hardto separate fact from rumor.
Obviously IBM has more familiarity with its own process and I'd suspect
that their designers are well versed in how to design for it.
Hmmm, until AMD went to IBM though, they were in serious trouble with 130nm
as well - lost them ~9months. Someone else has also suggested that the IBM
problem may be that they are preoccupied with getting product out for AMD.
It could also be that the "failure" was with Chartered who is a cohort of
some kind of IBM; possibly some of the lower clocked foundry chips were
targeted for sub-contracted production at Chartered.
Yes and don't forget the problems they (TSMC definitely and UMC?) had with
130nm, which was one of the reasons that nVidia, Qualcomm et.al. went
looking for alternatives... and found IBM. Whatever their position in the
market, whether lower down the performance scale, they have both definitely
enhanced their reputation in the business. We'll see if VIA sticks with
IBM now... and how long IBM takes to do the expansion they've already
applied for planning permission for at East Fishkill.
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
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Jason Ozolins
Terje said:
Google search for the keywords
focas fibre wrapped
gets a few links from Ireland's Electricity Supply Board on their user
of fibre and one (titled "electricity96") which goes into a bit of
detail on fibre wrapped around high voltage power lines. No cool
pictures though, darnit.