I would choose Nvidia 6800 over Ati X800

[Pluvious]

On Thu, 6 May 2004 17:53:57 -0400, "Ryan Atici"

||When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
||card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
||stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?
||
||It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
||crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
||cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
||operating system.
||
||On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
||the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
||X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
||video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

You are misinformed.

Pluvious

 

[bp]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

Are you on dope ?

 

[Ryan Atici]

This is the most unintelligent, weakly thought out, and clout lacking,

NVIDIA fanboy 6800 vs X800 post I've read all week. Enough to make my
stomach turn.

Don't be upset because I am telling the truth. It took so long for ATI
people to finally realize and say "sorry our video card drivers caused all
the problems all along and we finally have a better driver now but even that
is not good enough to save your computer from occasionally crashing."

There is always something weird in a problematic way with ATI. Even if your
computer doesn't occasionally crash, the text in your computer looks kind of
weird and fuzzy because of some unknown driver problem with ATI or some
shit.

Take your desperate, school-yard trash-talking somewhere else.... and do a
little research before you open your mouth next time.

It sounds like you can't take constructive criticism. Grow up!

 

[Ryan Atici]

I guess I did have some more to say hehe,

Funny thing is most of all the reviews show the 2 cards pretty even but with
high rez n AA/AF the ATI cards are beating out the 6800. Heck, the darn x800
pro (not even the top card which is the PE) is matching the 6800 or coming
close to it for some tests so I don't know where you got your:

"NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI X800"

From reviews. Even though ATI has a faster GPU, that is not enough to give
any advantage over Nvidia 6800.

As for crashes that sounds like you just do crappy system maintenence. When
I got my 9800 I tossed out the 5600 fx, thru new card in installed drivers
and so far have not had 1 lock up or game crash going as far back as the
3.7's catalyst drivers. I actually can even play alot of my games at 1600 x
1200 with 2-4x AA and 8x AF without much of a prob and thats a poor ole 9800
pro.

At 1600 X 1200, ATI pulls insignificantly ahead on some games with more
frame rates whereas Nvidia comes outs as a winner 95 percent of the time at
any other resolution frame rates.

+'s for ATI
. Low pwr consumption (no need to buy a new 480 watt PS
. Single slot solution

I wouldn't buy it even if ATI had some hocus-pocus (magical power) to float
the card in the air above the slot.

. Decent driver support (contrary to some like Ryan's opinion)

Please.!?! A bit more decent compared to their awful driver causing crash
all the time. At this with their new drive, there is nothing more than
occasional not to mention the text appearing fuzzy in your computer for some
unknown reason.

. IQ, it can be debated but my personal opinion is ATI's better (YMMV)

Give me a break!

. Really burns thru games out today

You mean "turtles" at other resolution frame rates compared to Nvidia 6800
performance.

. SRP for the pro which can get close to if not match the 6800 is $399, $499
is for the Top card that kicks NV's butt

That's what you think.

-'s for Nvidia
. Is not a single slot solution
. Will require many to buy a new expensive PSupply to handle the 480 ps
recommendation of Nvidia

After paying $500 for a video card, I think you can come up with $150 to get
a decent power supply which is the most important investment so that you can
save your computer from frying every single component inside.

 

[Ryan Atici]

Perhaps, if your operating system crashes all the time, you have more

problems than your aware of?

It occasionally crashes with ATI cards. When the ATI card is removed,
everything back to normal.

I personally like having a crash free system..

Then ATI is a bad choice.

 

[Ben Pope]

From reviews. Even though ATI has a faster GPU, that is not enough to give
any advantage over Nvidia 6800.

Not so. I guess it depends which reviews you read.

I find Anandtech to be objective and tend to check there first.

At 1600 X 1200, ATI pulls insignificantly ahead on some games with more
frame rates whereas Nvidia comes outs as a winner 95 percent of the time
at any other resolution frame rates.

Thats a high percentage, given that in actual fact, they are quite evenly
matched, with the ATI pulling out in front a bit. From the reviews I read,
it seems that the X800 beats the 6800 in more tests, and by bigger margins
than when the 6800 beats the X800. It really does depend on what tests you
do.

Please.!?! A bit more decent compared to their awful driver causing crash
all the time. At this with their new drive, there is nothing more than
occasional not to mention the text appearing fuzzy in your computer for
some unknown reason.

Well I have a 9800 Pro, I'm running 1600x1200@85Hz on a Sony G400 and the
text is pretty damn sharp. My machine almost never crashes - the few times
that a game I wanted to play has had issues with the drivers, there has
generally been a driver update addressing the situation before I purchase
the game.

If you have a crap monitor, or are unable to set your machine up properly,
that is hardly the fault of ATIs driver team.

Do you really want to start a discussion about image quality on nVidia vs
ATI?

"NVIDIA: The Way It's Meant to be Played. But with some modifications to
the image rendering to address the poor pixel shader implementationT."

At least nVidia have addressed that problem with the 6800, perhaps they
won't need to alter the pixel shader code in your favourite benchmark,
altering the image significantly, in order to get decent benchmark results.

Incidentally, does anybody know if 2x AA works properly on the 6800? I seem
to recall that it did almost nothing on the previous FX cards, and that 4x
AA was comparable to 2x AA on an ATI.

Give me a break!

Give each other a break. Or, don't... this is a discussion. Opinions are
valid, but only opinions, if you back your opinions up with numbers, then
you have an argument hinged on fact.

You mean "turtles" at other resolution frame rates compared to Nvidia 6800
performance.

What has blinded you?

If you have a top of the range card, then you likely have a top of the range
PC. I run most games (except maybe far cry) at 1600x1200, with 2x AA and it
flies along. Hence high resolutions with AA and AF are relevant, more
relevant than lower resolutions without AA or AF, where the nVidia cards
seem to get close to the ATI cards. I don't really feel like playing a game
at 150fps at low res, when I can do 50fps at high res with eye candy.

That's what you think.

Thats what the numbers show.

After paying $500 for a video card, I think you can come up with $150 to
get a decent power supply which is the most important investment so that
you can save your computer from frying every single component inside.

PSUs aren't really the issue are they? Or should we mention that a P2/300
isn't going to do the job, that 128MBs of RAM isn't going to help, etc. etc.

Ben

 

[bp]

Don't be upset because I am telling the truth.

No you aren't

It took so long for ATI
people to finally realize and say "sorry our video card drivers caused all
the problems all along and we finally have a better driver now but even that
is not good enough to save your computer from occasionally crashing."

Is this a made up conversion only you hear in you head?

ATI hasn't had driver problems for several years now. Educate
yourself.

There is always something weird in a problematic way with ATI. Even if your
computer doesn't occasionally crash, the text in your computer looks kind of
weird and fuzzy because of some unknown driver problem with ATI or some
shit.

SO you want everyone to believe that even if you don't have trouble
with ATI they still have trouble.

BTW I have ATI for 2 years now and my text isn't fuzzy and my system
is stable even over clocked.

Ditto

It sounds like you can't take constructive criticism. Grow up!

Sounds like you don't know what constructive criticism is, fan boy.

 

[bp]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any
NVIDIA video card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an NVIDIA video
card and not having stable operating system because of flaws in the
video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the NVIDIA video cards are as reliable
and crash-free as the ATI video cards. Because of driver problems,
NVIDIA video cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, NVIDIA
video cards freeze the operating system.

On the other hand, ATI CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just
read the recent benchmarks. ATI x800 performs better in many games
than NVIDIA 68000. I would definitely get ATI X800 rather than paying
$500 for an NVIDIA 6800video card and having my operating system crash
all the time.



Two can play this game.
ITS EASY !!!

 

[anonymous]

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

I wouldn't pay $500 for a video card. By the time the card gets down
to $200, the drivers should work fine.

 

[somnambulist]

It occasionally crashes with ATI cards. When the ATI card is removed,
everything back to normal.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about do you?

Then ATI is a bad choice.

No fanboy, letting you use a computer - unsupervised - was a bad choice.

Now go back to your room like a good little boy, and don't be tempted to
switch on the scary machine about which you don't have a clue what to do
with.

 

[Les]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

Prove it.

--
Les
AMD64 3200+
2x512 MB corsair platinum 3500
Gigabyte GA-K8VNXP
Herc 9700 Pro
SB Audigy

 

[Ryan Atici]

Don't be upset because I am telling the truth.

No you aren't

I am telling the truth. The major problems due to ATI drivers are widely
known facts. Grow up and at least admit the truth! I don't care about the
brand-name whether it is ATI or Nvidia. As long as one of those two puts out
a good video card with excellent performance without causing occasional
crash of the operating system, I will get the one that performs in most
satisfactory way. Considering the system crashes due to ATI drivers, ATI
cards are far from being reliable. That's the bottom line. You learn to be
objective. I've used both Nvidia and ATI cards.

Is this a made up conversion only you hear in you head?

That's what I experienced with the ATI card.

ATI hasn't had driver problems for several years now. Educate
yourself.

After the problems I had in the past, I would not dare to touch any ATI card
with a 10-foot pole especially considering the fact that the latest card
costs around $500.

There is always something weird in a problematic way with ATI. Even if your
computer doesn't occasionally crash, the text in your computer looks kind of
weird and fuzzy because of some unknown driver problem with ATI or some
shit.

SO you want everyone to believe that even if you don't have trouble
with ATI they still have trouble.

I believe it when a system crashes because ATI is not capable enough to
prove a better driver for their own video cards.

BTW I have ATI for 2 years now and my text isn't fuzzy and my system
is stable even over clocked.

You can only wish that with ATI. I've used ATI and seen it myself. I am
never going back to ATI crap, ever!

Sounds like you don't know what constructive criticism is, fan boy.

I know what it mean. Just trying to show you how it is done.

 

[Ryan Atici]

It occasionally crashes with ATI cards. When the ATI card is removed,

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about do you?

You're the one who is stuck with ATI, not me! I've learned from my past
experience and moved on as apposed to you getting stuck in the unstable,
occasional crash-world of ATI.

No fanboy, letting you use a computer - unsupervised - was a bad choice.

Bad choice is allowing you to talk without parental guidance... That' the
real bad choice...

Now go back to your room like a good little boy, and don't be tempted to
switch on the scary machine about which you don't have a clue what to do
with.

I am sure that's what your parents tell you to do. At least, you're catching
on...

 

[Ryan Atici]

I wouldn't pay $500 for a video card. By the time the card gets down

to $200, the drivers should work fine.

By that time, another video card will come out to overshadow that video
card, and you will want to get the best one, then you will say again that
you want to wait until the price of the new video card drops down to $200,
and by that time, a stable driver should be put out. As you wait for that
one, another new card will be released to overshadow that video card as
well. It is a never-ending cycle.

 

[Ryan Atici]

Prove it.

It is already proven...

 

[somnambulist]

You're the one who is stuck with ATI, not me! I've learned from my past
experience and moved on as apposed to you getting stuck in the unstable,
occasional crash-world of ATI.

I'm afraid I'm stuck in the world of completely stable ATI products, Mr
Nvidia fanboy.

You go on and on about ATI products being unstable, yet I and many users
have nothing but the polar opposite to say about them. You have so far been
complete unable to prove your wild theory and back it up with facts, so I
suggest that you go back, research things a little more and then eat your
humble pie when you finally realise you're talking complete and utter
twaddle.

Bad choice is allowing you to talk without parental guidance... That' the
real bad choice...

You might think so.... I couldn't possibly comment.

I am sure that's what your parents tell you to do. At least, you're catching
on...

No my dear boy, I'm afraid it's you that needs to catch on.

Let me say it again, just so we're clear: prove your stupid theory and
people might actually take your wild rantings seriously, until you've done
that though, start smacking yourself with a piece of clue by four until you
realise you're talking rubbish.

 

[somnambulist]

It is already proven...

No it isn't. You've merely spouted a load of fanboy rhetoric that has no
basis in fact.

 

[Don Burnette]

It is already proven...

Show facts. Your sources.

Your stating nothing more, than merely your opinion. And your rantings, is
making your opinion less and less worthwhile.

I have run both 9700 Pro, and now 9800 Pro, without a glitch. No crashes on
XP Pro, not one. I always update to the latest Catalyst drivers.

 

[OverKlocker]

You can only wish that with ATI. I've used ATI and seen it myself. I am
never going back to ATI crap, ever!

well, if you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have so mant
issues. i've built MANY systems with both types of cards, no major
issues with either. ATI had bad drivers like 3 yrs ago, now they are a
hell of alot better. there is an occational bug or 2. i've also read
about alot of bugs with nvidia drivers (and some *cough* occational
cheats *cough). in other words you CANNOT back up anything you say. in
your way of thinking, i bet you think the world is flat, too...LOL

 

[bp]

I am telling the truth.

NO at best you are telling us "your" experience with an ATI product.
At worse you just lying.

The major problems due to ATI drivers are widely
known facts.

Again you are wrong.

They did have problems but that is in their past.
How many people have to tell you that?

Grow up and at least admit the truth!

OHHH the old "Grow up " line. LOL

Sorry but I disagree with your "truth" of current ATI products and
the drivers that go with them.

I don't care about the
brand-name whether it is ATI or Nvidia. As long as one of those two puts out
a good video card with excellent performance without causing occasional
crash of the operating system, I will get the one that performs in most
satisfactory way. Considering the system crashes due to ATI drivers, ATI
cards are far from being reliable. That's the bottom line. You learn to be
objective.

LOL this is funny. Now you are trying to claim objectivity. LOL

You refuse to listen to anyone tell that driver problems are gone and
refuse to touch any ATI card because you think every crash on your PC
must be related to their drivers.

Here's some "truth" for you

I have a 9800pro, I have drivers that go with the card installed on my
system. I've had them for almost 2 years now. The card has been used
in two different MB's with two totally different chip set and I have
not had one single problem with the card or the drivers. (and that
includes your fuzzy text crap also)

Now do you have or have used an ATI card in the past 2 years ?
If so explain the major problems you had.

I've used both Nvidia and ATI cards.

Good for you

That's what I experienced with the ATI card.

Bull, what card ? When ?

After the problems I had in the past, I would not dare to touch any ATI card
with a 10-foot pole especially considering the fact that the latest card
costs around $500.



I believe it when a system crashes because ATI is not capable enough to
prove a better driver for their own video cards.

Explain how you know ATI drivers crashed you PC . Tell us the card and
the time frame.

You can only wish that with ATI.

Now who needs to Grow up and admit the truth.
I DON"T wish my system to run stable with my 9800 pro , IT DOES.
Are you now calling me a liar ?

I've used ATI and seen it myself

Again what was the make and model of this ATI card ?

. I am
never going back to ATI crap, ever!

Ahh your objectivity is showing.

I know what it mean. Just trying to show you how it is done.

LOL Keep trying fan boy