F
Frank
Taliesyn said:
T...pay no attention to that blind lying piece of shit idiot moron
meashershithead. He's a ****wit lose and knows nothing about ink, paper
or printers.
Frank
T...pay no attention to that blind lying piece of shit idiot moron
meashershithead. He's a ****wit lose and knows nothing about ink, paper
or printers.
Frank
T
Taliesyn
measekite said:
Your argument falls apart here. I've never found a "poor product".
I've only had 2 regular suppliers of refill ink over the years. I
switched last year, but it wasn't for quality reasons. I have used
various prefilled cartridges, but they were mostly for testing. I find
prefilled cartridges generally much more expensive than filling your
own. Refilling is easy, clean, and most importantly, REALLY affordable.
I will not give $100 (Canadian) to a printer maker every time I need
their "2 spoonfuls of ink". Ink costs peanuts to make in huge quantities
in giant vats. The little guys out there selling ink are not trying to
gouge me. They sell me QUALITY ink at a NICE price. THAT'S how they keep
me as a customer.
-Taliesyn
M
measekite
Taliesyn said:
That is dependent on how good you appreciate quality.
Negligible difference
just will not tell you what you are buying.
you cannot evaluate quality
they can have you and you can have them
Z
zakezuke
measekite said <snipped per request>
The fact is, there are a ton of solutions for refilling canons, epsons,
hps, and other printers. With good advice from people who use specific
products you can get reasonable results. Presently the aftermarket for
consumer inkjets only offers cheaper solutions, i've not met an ink
which peforms as well in terms of lightfastness or gasfastness than
Canon.
The sad thing is the poster asked a legit question... what printer is
good for refilling. Canon is good for refilling, that's rather a fact.
There have been some reports the newer models rejecting refilled
cartridges, but I can't conferm this personaly. Canon wasn't great in
this area in the first place. Epson is also decent for refilling,
though one must buy a chip resetter and aftermarket cartridges are
reccomended, some come with auto resetting chips.
The cost savings for manual filling is 75% to 90% off OEM. This means
$7 a set vs $70 a set. This is huge savings, and this is a fact. One
can expect given good ink a lifespan of 10 or more cartridge changes,
which just so happens to be the same estimated life of OEM cartridges.
If you reached this point, you saved over $600.00.
The fact is, there are a ton of solutions for refilling canons, epsons,
hps, and other printers. With good advice from people who use specific
products you can get reasonable results. Presently the aftermarket for
consumer inkjets only offers cheaper solutions, i've not met an ink
which peforms as well in terms of lightfastness or gasfastness than
Canon.
The sad thing is the poster asked a legit question... what printer is
good for refilling. Canon is good for refilling, that's rather a fact.
There have been some reports the newer models rejecting refilled
cartridges, but I can't conferm this personaly. Canon wasn't great in
this area in the first place. Epson is also decent for refilling,
though one must buy a chip resetter and aftermarket cartridges are
reccomended, some come with auto resetting chips.
The cost savings for manual filling is 75% to 90% off OEM. This means
$7 a set vs $70 a set. This is huge savings, and this is a fact. One
can expect given good ink a lifespan of 10 or more cartridge changes,
which just so happens to be the same estimated life of OEM cartridges.
If you reached this point, you saved over $600.00.
T
Taliesyn
measekite said:
No. QUALITY and PRICE.
I find my refill ink (HobbiColors) EXCELLENT in quality and EXCELLENT in
price.
Canon ink is EXCELLENT in quality. But costs up to 20 TIMES MORE.
Hmmmm.... which one should I buy?. . .
WRONG! Quality prefilled cost me around $5 Canadian (per cartridge).
Quality refill around $1 Canadian (per cartridge). Canon OEMs are around
$20 plus 14% taxes ($ Canadian), or about $25.
You speak as a total idiot. I refill; you've never tried. Speak of what
you have experienced.
You speak as a total idiot. I refill; you've never tried. Speak of what
you have experienced.
I'm buying ink sold by HobbiColors - it works, it's great, it's priced
right.
You're buying ink sold by Canon - it works, it's great, it's priced way
too much (your own words).
We're both happy.
I have printed many, many stunning special projects in my life - way
more than you will EVER do in 10 Measekite lifetimes of trolling.
I CAN EVALUATE QUALITY OF INK. I'm one of the most difficult people to
please when it comes to quality.
That's right. Sell me what I want at my price and a business has me as a
customer. Canon is failing its customers - forcing people to buy their
ink at their ridiculous prices. Goodbye customer.
M
measekite
zakezuke said:
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art
Since I only print photos with my IP4200 only the 3 color cartridges
need replacement on a regular basis. Costco sells them for $9 each
and I recycle them through Staples that gives me $3 each. So my cost
of a set is $18. Refilling black is an option since color match and
longevity of the black ink is not an issue. For the extra $11 I
prefer the CanonCL100 ink for my photos. For non critical work
refilling works just fine if you pick the ink vendor carefully. There
is a lot of poor performing ink being sold.
M
measekite
Taliesyn said:
Reported by two different posters over the past two weeks to have given
them many problems so they decided to go back to OEM ink. I believe them.
Canon of course, the one that produces the best results, resists fading,
and does not clog your printer and has no potential to void your warranty.
snip
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art
Everyone's experience is different. MIS ink while being a pretty good
performer for me did cause nozzle clog. Which brand of ink do you
use? How is its fade performance?
I wouldn't expect exact color match, but some of the inks I tried
(Inktec in particular) have either the cyan or magenta so far off that
no matter how you change the profile a reasonable color gamut can not
be obtained. Putting my photos under plastic or glass is not an
option for me. Buying enough glass or plastic to cover 100 photos
would cost me more than the $11 that I would save on buying after
market ink. I have walls covered in photos, so covering them would
not be aesthetically pleasing to me.
Z
zakezuke
measekite said:
One poster had issue with the color. I think they got or ordered the
wrong ink, this is not typical. I don't know what you are talking
about with this other person.
Hobbicolors is a good product. While at first I was not happy with the
big pigmented black, turns out it was a paper issue. Now MIS carries
ink for my printer I may switch back to them.
Aftermarket ink is not for everyone, but the cost savings of 75% to 90%
are hard to ignore. If OEMs understood this and offered their product
for 1/2 what they are presently charging, like they did in Japan for
crying out loud, I would certainly buy OEM. But for the time being
swellable polymer paper and aftermarket seem to outpeform OEM canon on
their premium glossy paper.
M
measekite
art said:
Incorrect. You forgot about the dye black that is used in photos for
added contrast.
longevity on photos is an issue and black is used there.
M
measekite
art said:
nobody can answer that since the relabeler will not disclose that
information
i find costco and canon photo paper pro almost the same. I do not know
what difference Epson Premium Glossy looks like.
Z
zakezuke
measekite said:
The ratio I used my dye black on my mp760 was about 3:1 to 4:1.
Someone who says they replace 3 cartridges on a regular basis means
exactly this, they get used more and obviously they are not using plain
paper mode. I have not replaced the dye black on my ip5200. Present
ratio I'd guess is 3:1.
Dye black gets used at a higher rate when using canon's duplex printing
mode, if in the likely event you kick and scream "not for me" this is
why.
T
Taliesyn
art said:
Exactly. One person's use of a particular product will never match
another's. Each of us use different printer settings, different
paper settings, different papers, different photo printing software,
different cameras - giving different output, different printing
environment, different graphics software, etc, etc, etc. We have too
many variables to be able to get an across the board general result for
any particular ink.
I've never tried their inks.
Currently using strictly HobbiColors refill for both printers. I'm
perfectly satisfied with the results. I get fresh blank empty cartridges
with every new order of ink, avoiding any previous ink residue
contaminants from used Canon OEM cartridges.
I don't bother with fade performance as I don't display anything
unprotected either behind glass/plastic for photos, shelves for CD and
DVDs which I made liners for, and dark drawers for my special 60 to 90
page music booklets I made on special coated paper. Minimal protection
like this will ensure they last many, many years in top condition.
Projects I made back in 1995 still look like they were made yesterday.
So you see, fade tests mean nothing to me. Sure I can make any photo
fade in no time flash. I only have to leave it unprotected sitting in my
kitchen area where it will be consumed in no time by sunlight, smoke,
warm air, etc. But that is not a typical result I get since I take care
of my "works of art".
Price isn't a problem for me as my Dollar Store has nifty all glass
8x10 frames (no actual frame so no part of photo is hidden) for - $1.00.
When I have a nice photo I print it out and hang it. Since they're
behind glass I haven't noticed any fading. One in my kitchen (the
picture torture chamber) has been there since 2003 and still looks
perfectly fresh. So you see, I consider the use of OEM inks as overkill
--they're already overpriced and overrated. Aftermarket works just fine
for me. If I was the only one getting satisfying results then someone
would have to explain how aftermarket inks continues to hold over 20% of
the ink business.
-Taliesyn
T
Taliesyn
zakezuke said:
That replacement ratio is about right, I change the dye black very
rarely.... it's Canon's only "money saving cartridge!". I wouldn't be
surprised if most of its ink is wasted through automatic head cleans and
NOT actual ink on paper!
Ha ha good one - the "not for me" typical Measekite routine. He tried
lying that his printer didn't clean its heads automatically
periodically; that duplexing didn't mix inks; that duplex black wasn't
lighter, that duplexing wasn't slow, etc, etc, etc. The list of his
gaffes is longer than the print capacity of the large black text
cartridge!
-Taliesyn
M
measekite
Taliesyn wrote:
snip
of course not
the guy wants quality
snip
of course not
the guy wants quality
B
Burt
Taliesyn said:That replacement ratio is about right, I change the dye black very
rarely.... it's Canon's only "money saving cartridge!". I wouldn't be
surprised if most of its ink is wasted through automatic head cleans and
NOT actual ink on paper!
Ha ha good one - the "not for me" typical Measekite routine. He tried
lying that his printer didn't clean its heads automatically periodically;
that duplexing didn't mix inks; that duplex black wasn't
lighter, that duplexing wasn't slow, etc, etc, etc. The list of his
gaffes is longer than the print capacity of the large black text
cartridge!
-Taliesyn
Did you say - longer than Pinocchio's nose?????
G
Gary Tait
Toss it out. Buy only formulated ing designed for your printer technology.
M
measekite
Gary said:
That means ink designed by the printer mfg.
O
OldNick
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:58:17 GMT, measekite <[email protected]>
wrote:
measekite, this meanz ur soundgabitsoundabitanalantwisted
sorry. I included you in my p0ast replies and judgments,
I have used the "proper" "designed by the printer mfg" ($$$$) inks and
had repeated head clogs.
1/4 price A/M inks NOT designed by the printer did not make it worse.
wrote:
measekite, this meanz ur soundgabitsoundabitanalantwisted
sorry. I included you in my p0ast replies and judgments,
I have used the "proper" "designed by the printer mfg" ($$$$) inks and
had repeated head clogs.
1/4 price A/M inks NOT designed by the printer did not make it worse.