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chainbreaker said:
I assume you're talking about Tiger--I can't honestly tell you what I did,
but as a rule I check/uncheck allowing promotional emails to be sent in the
first place. I assume I did that and they sent emails anyway, but I can't
say for certain. They finally quit sending emails, but whether that's
because I never bought anything again or because I asked them to quit, again
I couldn't say for sure. It's your rare outfit that sends 3-4 emails a
day, though, and that's what Tiger did enough times for it not to be a rare
thing.

My spam blocker handled them quite well, so I wasn't really concerned about
it, but I did check it occasionally just to see what was being
blocked--mostly Tiger at the time.
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That's hardly fair on tiger though. I would be very confident that they
had some original opt-in checkbox when you order, probably with the
default to be sent emails. This checkbox can sometimes be easy to miss,
either due to the company's layout, or the user just simply skimming
through the form.

The critical issue is whether they do not sending emails when you ask
them to. They certainly have email removal instructions at the bottom.
If you haven't used this, then how are they supposed to know that the
mailings annoy you and you want them to stop? By telepathy??
 
Xocyll said:
I figure that it's the only thing that will curb spammers.

Nail em up on live tv and keep broadcasting.

Watching their predecessor die on a cross would likely stop others from
thinking spamming was a good idea.
And if it didn't, well they'll get their turn on TV too, and they won't
be spamming after they're dead.

Xocyll
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Well, numerous studies in the US have proven that the death penalty is
*not* a deterrent to crimes for which it is a punishment, so I have my
doubts that anything will stop spammers, whom I place on an even lower
spot in the quasi-human hierarchy than murderers ;)


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Warren Ransom said:
Well, numerous studies in the US have proven that the death penalty is
*not* a deterrent to crimes for which it is a punishment, so I have my
doubts that anything will stop spammers, whom I place on an even lower
spot in the quasi-human hierarchy than murderers ;)
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Who do you know that committed a crime after death?
 
Warren said:
Well, numerous studies in the US have proven that the death penalty is
*not* a deterrent to crimes for which it is a punishment, so I have my
doubts that anything will stop spammers, whom I place on an even lower
spot in the quasi-human hierarchy than murderers ;)
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The problem is, the "death penalty." As a penalty, death is considered
appropriate only for crimes involving death, and such crimes are mainly
crimes of momentary passion, or the demented thought processes of
someone driven mad by hate, fear, etc. IOW, by perpetrators who would
not be detered by anything.

For such people, what is needed is a "death solution," one in which
those who show that they are not going to turn from violence no matter
what are simply put out of our misery.

As to a death penalty, this would be a lot more useful for crimes of
calculation, wherein the criminal adds up the costs, payoffs, chances of
getting caught, and likely penalties, and decides crime will pay.
spamming is just such a crime. A death penalty for that would likely
work very well.

Still, in one of Larry Niven's stories, they had a death penalty for
double-parking and other such violations, purely as a way of providing
lots of organs for transplant (using a technology which made universal
transplanting work every time). It still did not stop the crime. Well,
that's fiction, after all.
 
Mark said:
The critical issue is whether they do not sending emails when you ask
them to. They certainly have email removal instructions at the bottom.
If you haven't used this, then how are they supposed to know that the
mailings annoy you and you want them to stop? By telepathy??
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The way I figure it, any outfit sending 3 emails a day multiple times a
week, and usually at least one *every* day, is a hellacious email spammer
whether it bothers me or not, which is really all I said. Since I had them
blocked it wasn't particularly bothersome, especially since all they had was
my work email addy. I know the volume of what they were sending because I
occasionally checked to see what was being blocked.
 
Evidently they don't understand the concept of "more is not necessarily
better". I might have actually taken the time to look over something they
sent once or twice a month, but sometimes three emails a day got them killed
at the root and never even looked at.
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Most spammer types don't. All they understand is that spamming is
really cheap and if they get bites from 1% they're well ahead.

Kind of like swatting flies with a 12 gauge loaded with 00 - sometimes
they hit the fly, but they also do a fair bit of collateral damage to
themselves while doing it.
And their email spam is probably the main reason I've done no more business
with them--hehe, even Amazon's not guilty of excessive emailing; I actually
look forward to reading what Amazon sends, most of the time.
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Don't think I've ever got one from Amazon, but I don't shop online.
The spammers still try to send to me, but my filters are good enough (or
brutal enough) that damn little actually gets through.
Brutal is the word, since I have around 10 isps and 3 countries
blacklisted, as well as my regular filters.

I'd still rather see them get nailed so I didn't need to filter.

Xocyll
 
chainbreaker said:
The way I figure it, any outfit sending 3 emails a day multiple times a
week, and usually at least one *every* day, is a hellacious email spammer
whether it bothers me or not, which is really all I said. Since I had them
blocked it wasn't particularly bothersome, especially since all they had was
my work email addy. I know the volume of what they were sending because I
occasionally checked to see what was being blocked.
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I think that most people would say that in order to be a spammer, the
person or organization also has to be sending the emails without your
permission.
 
Mark said:
I think that most people would say that in order to be a spammer, the
person or organization also has to be sending the emails without your
permission.
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By that rather broad definition, you are spamming these NGs.
 
That's hardly fair on tiger though. I would be very confident that they
had some original opt-in checkbox when you order, probably with the
default to be sent emails. This checkbox can sometimes be easy to miss,
either due to the company's layout, or the user just simply skimming
through the form.
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Or they do what various sites do, and keep rechecking the box at every
stage, to try and sneak it past you.
The critical issue is whether they do not sending emails when you ask
them to. They certainly have email removal instructions at the bottom.
If you haven't used this, then how are they supposed to know that the
mailings annoy you and you want them to stop? By telepathy??
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A great number of them don't care if it annoys you and won't unsubscribe
you even if you ask (or have certain conditions on what you have to do
to unsub.)

I had a year long battle with harlequin after some bozo signed my email
up for their newsletter.

The first time I asked, they wanted me to provide them with my name,
address, telephone number, etc in order to unsubscribe me.
That's right they asked for personal info as a requisite for
unsubscription.

Their provided unsubscribe form didn't work - it always errored out.

I finally had to threaten to take them to court for harassment before
they'd unsubscribe my account.


Xocyll
 
Warren Ransom <[email protected]> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
Well, numerous studies in the US have proven that the death penalty is
*not* a deterrent to crimes for which it is a punishment, so I have my
doubts that anything will stop spammers, whom I place on an even lower
spot in the quasi-human hierarchy than murderers ;)
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Most spammers probably don't associate their activity with crime, just
money making.

A death sentence would stop spam seeming like such a fast and easy way
to make money, since the risk would no longer be worth the reward.

And as I said, every spammer who doesn't stop gets to have their turn as
the object lesson and the gene pool gets a little cleaner.

Xocyll
 
Quaestor said:
Warren Ransom wrote:

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Waste of bandwidth discussing this.

One last thought, Richard Speck killed 7 nurses. Spent ~30 years in prison
doing drugs, grew breasts and had a boy friend he was living with. If that's
justice you are as warped as him.
 
AFAIK the corpse doesn't own anything.
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It decomposes. If it decomposed emails, it might cancel out the spam-bot. ;^)

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"The Means Justify The Means" ~George W. Bush, c. 2000
 
Captain said:
Waste of bandwidth discussing this.
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We have lots of it

One last thought, Richard Speck killed 7 nurses. Spent ~30 years in prison
doing drugs, grew breasts and had a boy friend he was living with. If that's
justice you are as warped as him.
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You think 30yrs inside, doing drugs growing breasts and having a
boyfriend is a good time? And you call Quaestor warped?

;-)
 
Shawk said:
We have lots of it




You think 30yrs inside, doing drugs growing breasts and having a
boyfriend is a good time? And you call Quaestor warped?

;-)
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Didn't say it would be a good time for me but it was questionable enough for
a prisoner to sneak a video camera in and tape it and 60 Minutes to show it.
Nice try at avoiding the already off topic drift. It's not justice.
 
Captain said:
Didn't say it would be a good time for me but it was questionable enough for
a prisoner to sneak a video camera in and tape it and 60 Minutes to show it.
Nice try at avoiding the already off topic drift. It's not justice.
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Avoiding it? I was clearly 'adding' to the off-topic drift with an
attempt at humour. Don't sweat it - you've obviously got larger issues
to obsess about.
 
Shawk said:
Avoiding it? I was clearly 'adding' to the off-topic drift with an
attempt at humour. Don't sweat it - you've obviously got larger issues
to obsess about.
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Your trying to do newsgroup humor and I have issues?
 
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