Epson Photo R300 "Service required"

[zakezuke]

And yes, my r300, chugging away on overpriced oem ink, is

still going. To me, it's worth the price to not have do someone
else's QA on my hardware with every
new cart I buy.

Great... go for it, the oem epson ink is pretty good. Surprised you
didn't consider the r200 which right now is less money at office depot
than the ink it comes with. In fact, you probally should.

Remember my original 'bull' reply was in response to the flat > out statement that 3rd party carts could not possibly have
anything to do with the problem -- which is simply not true.

The problem is you said it had something to do with the ink, which it
has nothing to do with the ink, but rather the chips on the carts
assuming what you say is accurate and it was using volitile chips that
would have a count of 0 and the printer would think "i'm new" and do a
cleaning cycle. And even then it has to do more with the fact the
epson's cleaning cycle is in the ml range... and 7 carts in the r300 =
a buttload of ink.

Further he probally didn't kill the printer, the printer probally did
*exactly* what it's designed to do. Count the number cleans, save to
flashrom, if value in the 20,000 range (not sure of the number) don't
ever print again until such time as the service program says i've been
serviced. In the case of the OP and your friend who used this printer
for trade shows, they both probally used the printer much... about 10
carts worth or so, and the diaper got full. This is perfectly normal
epson r200/r300 behavier. Anyone who has these printers should whether
they use OEM or 3rd party open the door in the back and take all that
waste ink and route it to a bottle. I estimate that a normal user will
require a diaper change after 1 year of normal use... me, printing
about 180 5x5 images 6 months. I would be more inclined to believe
that your friend at trade shows over 90 days printed such a high amount
that their diaper got full twice as fast as mine after about 10 carts.

 

[measekite]

PLONG UR MAGIC TWANGER

That's because there is nothing to apologise about. All you are able
to do
is repeat what you have read without testing of your own, the name
Parrot
comes to mind. However if you go to ****wit.com you will see you are
listed
as FW of the month and in for Golden prick of the year along with
Measekite.





There were reports of 3rd party chips that triggered a charge cycle


with


every


powerup.


Perhaps you can share these reports and which of these chips
triggered
a charge cycle with every powerup.



This vendor makes the 'new' version of the chip that does NOT do a
charge


cycle


on power up:




http://szmicrotec.en.ec21.com/GC00836617/CA00845938/Auto_Reset_Chip_(Ink_Cartridges).html



It is intended for refillable and CIS systems, but as noted by the
seller,


it is


ALSO used in remanufactured carts and has wound up in the 'white box'


trade.


It is the PREVIOUS version of this 'now improved' chip [which also
wound


up in


the white box trade] that triggered unwanted charge cycles on power up


[and


could fill up your waste pad before it would have been filled up by
OEM


carts].


And 'shooter' -- plonk to you [Absolute Bollocks, I won't even see
your
apology].

u r insane!
Frank

*u r insane!*

 

[zakezuke]

Haven't heard about this, and not sure what would be required in terms

of the chip design to do this, but I suppose it might be possible.

Ram rather than flash memory.

Normally, the printer reads the chip status on startup (power-up) as a
starting point to count down the ink contents status.

Unless i'm mistaken the epsons count up from 0, so a new chip would be
0.

I suppose some rather odd chip design might cause a purging session

This is a totally odd chip design, one which i've *NEVER* seen. No one
in their right mind would offer pre-fills of the resetting type whether
they be auto at a given value or just ram. In the most simple terms I
can think of... the chips would cost more. I could see this as part of
a first generation CIS system, but i've never ever seen chips of this
type.

I firmly believe that 90 days to full diaper was the result of normal
use rather than extra cleaning purging priming cycles as a result of
poor chip design. As you pointed out... the carts would be empty after
under 10 resets.

 

[Frank]

PLONG UR MAGIC TWANGER

Shooter wrote:

That's because there is nothing to apologise about. All you are able
to do
is repeat what you have read without testing of your own, the name
Parrot
comes to mind. However if you go to ****wit.com you will see you are
listed
as FW of the month and in for Golden prick of the year along with
Measekite.





There were reports of 3rd party chips that triggered a charge cycle


with


every


powerup.


Perhaps you can share these reports and which of these chips
triggered
a charge cycle with every powerup.



This vendor makes the 'new' version of the chip that does NOT do a
charge


cycle


on power up:




http://szmicrotec.en.ec21.com/GC00836617/CA00845938/Auto_Reset_Chip_(Ink_Cartridges).html



It is intended for refillable and CIS systems, but as noted by the
seller,


it is


ALSO used in remanufactured carts and has wound up in the 'white box'


trade.


It is the PREVIOUS version of this 'now improved' chip [which also
wound


up in


the white box trade] that triggered unwanted charge cycles on power up


[and


could fill up your waste pad before it would have been filled up by
OEM


carts].


And 'shooter' -- plonk to you [Absolute Bollocks, I won't even see
your
apology].

u r insane!
Frank

*u r insane!*

Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how original)
which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.
Frank

 

[measekite]

measekite wrote:

PLONG UR MAGIC TWANGER

Shooter wrote:

That's because there is nothing to apologise about. All you are
able to do
is repeat what you have read without testing of your own, the name
Parrot
comes to mind. However if you go to ****wit.com you will see you
are listed
as FW of the month and in for Golden prick of the year along with
Measekite.





There were reports of 3rd party chips that triggered a charge
cycle



with


every


powerup.



Perhaps you can share these reports and which of these chips
triggered
a charge cycle with every powerup.




This vendor makes the 'new' version of the chip that does NOT do
a charge



cycle


on power up:





http://szmicrotec.en.ec21.com/GC00836617/CA00845938/Auto_Reset_Chip_(Ink_Cartridges).html



It is intended for refillable and CIS systems, but as noted by
the seller,



it is


ALSO used in remanufactured carts and has wound up in the 'white
box'



trade.


It is the PREVIOUS version of this 'now improved' chip [which
also wound



up in


the white box trade] that triggered unwanted charge cycles on
power up



[and


could fill up your waste pad before it would have been filled up
by OEM



carts].


And 'shooter' -- plonk to you [Absolute Bollocks, I won't even
see your
apology].










u r insane!
Frank

*u r insane!*

Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how original)
which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.
Frank

Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how original)
which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.

 

[Frank]

Frank wrote:

measekite wrote:

PLONG UR MAGIC TWANGER

Shooter wrote:

That's because there is nothing to apologise about. All you are
able to do
is repeat what you have read without testing of your own, the name
Parrot
comes to mind. However if you go to ****wit.com you will see you
are listed
as FW of the month and in for Golden prick of the year along with
Measekite.





There were reports of 3rd party chips that triggered a charge
cycle




with


every


powerup.




Perhaps you can share these reports and which of these chips
triggered
a charge cycle with every powerup.





This vendor makes the 'new' version of the chip that does NOT do
a charge




cycle


on power up:






http://szmicrotec.en.ec21.com/GC00836617/CA00845938/Auto_Reset_Chip_(Ink_Cartridges).html



It is intended for refillable and CIS systems, but as noted by
the seller,




it is


ALSO used in remanufactured carts and has wound up in the 'white
box'




trade.


It is the PREVIOUS version of this 'now improved' chip [which
also wound




up in


the white box trade] that triggered unwanted charge cycles on
power up




[and


could fill up your waste pad before it would have been filled up
by OEM




carts].


And 'shooter' -- plonk to you [Absolute Bollocks, I won't even
see your
apology].











u r insane!
Frank



*u r insane!*

Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how original)
which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.
Frank

Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how original)
which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.

Yep measershit..you're a ****wit loser to the end!
Get lost.
Frank

 

[measekite]

measekite wrote:



Frank wrote:

measekite wrote:

PLONG UR MAGIC TWANGER

Shooter wrote:

That's because there is nothing to apologise about. All you are
able to do
is repeat what you have read without testing of your own, the
name Parrot
comes to mind. However if you go to ****wit.com you will see you
are listed
as FW of the month and in for Golden prick of the year along
with Measekite.





There were reports of 3rd party chips that triggered a charge
cycle





with


every


powerup.





Perhaps you can share these reports and which of these chips
triggered
a charge cycle with every powerup.






This vendor makes the 'new' version of the chip that does NOT
do a charge





cycle


on power up:







http://szmicrotec.en.ec21.com/GC00836617/CA00845938/Auto_Reset_Chip_(Ink_Cartridges).html



It is intended for refillable and CIS systems, but as noted by
the seller,





it is


ALSO used in remanufactured carts and has wound up in the
'white box'





trade.


It is the PREVIOUS version of this 'now improved' chip [which
also wound





up in


the white box trade] that triggered unwanted charge cycles on
power up





[and


could fill up your waste pad before it would have been filled
up by OEM





carts].


And 'shooter' -- plonk to you [Absolute Bollocks, I won't even
see your
apology].












u r insane!
Frank




*u r insane!*



Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how
original) which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.
Frank

Well, we all can see you've got copy and paste down pat (how
original) which means you've run out of original ideas right!
Too bad.

Yep measershit..you're a ****wit loser to the end!
Get lost.
Frank

Yep frankie crankie da cockroach..you're a ****wit loser to the end!
Get lost.

 

[Jon O'Brien]

Yep measershit..[snip gratuitous insult]
Get lost.

Err, Frank, you're rapidly becoming as much of a pain as the Chief Troll.
Do give it a rest.

Oh, and please learn to use selective quoting, rather than dumping the
accumulated contents of the sewage pit here every time you post.

Thank you.

Jon.

 

[measekite]

Yep measershit..[snip gratuitous insult]
Get lost.

Err, *Frank, you're rapidly becoming as much of a pain* as the Chief Troll.
Do give it a rest.

Oh, and please learn to use selective quoting, rather than dumping the
accumulated contents of the sewage pit here every time you post.

Thank you.

Jon.

 

[Frank]

Yep measershit..[snip gratuitous insult]
Get lost.

Err, *Frank, you're rapidly becoming as much of a pain* as the Chief
Troll. Do give it a rest.

Oh, and please learn to use selective quoting, rather than dumping the
accumulated contents of the sewage pit here every time you post.

Thank you.

Jon.

Got the message right!
Frank

 

[Jon O'Brien]

*[snip]*

I wouldn't mind you changing the emphasis of my original post if you added
a note that the emphasis is yours but I do mind you doing it otherwise.
Please desist. You could also do with learning to use selective quoting
yourself.

And he's got a fair way to go before he becomes as much of a waste of
bandwidth as you.

Jon.