Economics of SATA hard drive

[Rod Speed]

We don't know that for certain,

Thats why I used the word BET.

even if you don't assume as I do that there will be some.

What you have also ignored is that boards STILL HAVE PCI SLOTS.

You dont know that they will when he buys his new system, or that
it wont make sense to buy one that doesnt when he buys one either.

All the conditions you presuppose in order to make your argument
for SATA, when combined together become incredibly unrealistic.

Wrong, as always.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

In the same hypothetical future system with the DVD likely to be SATA
the PATA connection will be gone.




Merrill P. Troll does.

Numbers speak for themselves. But since you're too young to be
literate, get your mommy to read the report and tell you what the big
words mean. Here, maybe this will help:

http://www20.tomshardware.com/2005/09/27/round/


Now run on home and tell your daddy to get off of your mommy long enough
for her to set you right.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

What matters is how the system is to use, not some benchmark.

Yes. Lets not face the facts, lets use your speculation based on your
bullshit.

That is just plain wrong if you cant even pick the slower in a
proper double blind trial. It makes much more sense to get
the SATA drive so your choice of new system isnt constrained.

Nothing said in that statement at all.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

You'll eventually realize that most of the argumentive postings
in this one thread are by sock puppets, four of them so far, several
of them animated by the same guy. It's funny and amazing how sick
people can get.

*TimDaniels*

I was just starting to have a look at that. Too many similarities in
sentence construction patterns and words to be a coincidence.

And I was considering that it might have been a troop of trained chimps
all marching to the same out of touch drummer.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

There's the sentence that clinches it. Rud Spud is posing as several
others.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Wrong, as always.

We're right about you.

 

[Rod Speed]

Ed Light wrote

You'll eventually realize that most of the argumentive postings
in this one thread are by sock puppets, four of them so far,

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you wouldnt actually
know what a sock puppet was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

several of them animated by the same guy.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you wouldnt actually
know what a sock puppet was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

It's funny and amazing how sick people can get.

Not funny at all how some stupid children cant even manage
to work out the basics on what is actually a sock puppet.

Just rather pathetic.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Let's put it into a real world context.
Newegg, world's largest online seller of retail hardware.

Look for PCI Express sound cards,
http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=57
45 PCI
7 USB
PCI Express? Nada

Soundcards professional?

Newegg's selection of PCI Express NICs includes only 3.

Only 3 huh.
How many does one need with NICs included in almost every chipset.
Surprising there are even 3.

Tuner/capture cards? 2

Doesn't need PCIe either so again that's rather much.

Regardless of what chips exist, what products are seen is a re-
flection of the immaturity of the PCI Express addon card market.

Is it difficult to produce these weird sentences that don't make any sense?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...tion="pci+express"+++sata++controller&Ntk=all
SATA 2
SATA II 24
SATA/SAS 2
SATA/IDE 1 (is actually a RAID card)
IDE nada,zip

29 SATA PCIe controllers, like I said, plenty.

That was only the very first link... sustained transfer
rates are also lower. I hope you didn't conclude it was
high enough performance based on only the one link because
plenty of people did have issues using PCI controller cards
in that era.

Google for "Via PCI latency" or "Via PCI controller",

Nearly impossible to find a post that is relevant,
even if you add more keywords.

or here's another page, merely using the Intel
compatible version of the chipset.

http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/archiv/401770/index7.html

Again an example using more than 1 disk drive simultaniously.

With a single drive the issue was not exceeding the
available bandwidth of the PCI bus, it was the Via chipset.

Whatever that is supposed to explain.

It makes MOST single drives slower, they need not have a sus-
tained performance pushing the (theoretical max) PCI bus limits.

As if there are any that do.

Also keep in mind that these benches were ONLY focusing on HDD
performance without concurrent use of any other PCI devices.

That will make matters worse.

For the benchmark, yes.

Call it a clash, it doesn't change the fact that in a real world
test the chipset and PCI card did have a marked reduction in
performance. The result was reproduced by MANY other
people at the time (contemporary KT266A users).

So show us some posts.

Why would I care if you conclude it? If you had bothered to
search you would find the evidence and I already KNOW having
done the benchmark.

Easy claim.
Now back it up.

 

[Gank]

Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look in the eyes
of those of us that have bought plenty of stuff like that off ebay
and havent got anything like the result you got ?

*Lots* of people have been scammed on eBay so a little paranoia goes a long
way here. Oh, and eBay owns PayPal which has been known to freeze peoples
assets for no good reason. I don't use either, and for good reason.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

YES!!

That is EXACTLY why the PCI SATA card is such a horrible idea.
In anything but the synthetic benchmark, the PCI bus will be
playing a more significant role in performance degradation.

The synthetic bench where only the drive was being accessed

Which there isn't.

is just the tip of the iceburg.

In your imagination.
Posturing is an art for you that you have honed to perfection, isn't.

By adding the SATA card the OP could easily have OTHER devices
that are currently working fine, begin misbehaving in addition to
the slower but more costly new drive inclusion.




Nobody every concluded it wouldn't be possible. It "might"
not be possible, I did play devil's advocate for a moment
previously, but ultimately the only evidence is that it WILL
be slower, and that plenty of people DID NOTICE.

There are hundreds of thousands of search engine hits... not just
some random keywords that happened to show up on the same
page, but specficially about the Via PCI issue and it's mani-
festation when using addon PCI cards like drive controllers.

So obviously it is quite simple for you to come up with one where
it says how it has a major effect on even a single harddrive.

WHERE IN THE WORLD WERE YOU DURING THIS ERA??
It was common knowledge.

In your imagination it was.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Who said "you" couldn't pick?
That has not been established.

So far the ONLY evidence presented are the links I have provided
that clearly show it WILL BE SLOWER.

Actually nothing at all there to support that.
A lot more evidence there that in order to show it up is in using
more than 1 drive in RAID0.

This is leap #1 you need to make the point.

And quite a leap it is.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Not funny at all how some stupid children cant even manage
to work out the basics on what is actually a sock puppet.

Just rather pathetic.

You've been flushed out for what you are. Gve it up troll.

 

[Rod Speed]

*Lots* of people have been scammed on eBay

Yes, and it isnt hard to ensure that you cant be scammed by
using the feedback rating and pay using paypal so you're protected.

so a little paranoia goes a long way here.

Sure, but there is no need to mindlessly avoid ebay completely.

Oh, and eBay owns PayPal which has been known to freeze peoples assets for no good
reason.

Irrelevant to a buyer.

I don't use either,

Your problem.

and for good reason.

Nope, mindless paranoia, actually.

You can get scammed with online transactions too.

Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does
come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem.

 

[Ed Light]

This thread gets pretty crumby. Personally, I don't mind gentlemen being
wrong and don't care about the opinions of obnoxious types.

--
Ed Light

Smiley :-/
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Send spam to the FTC at
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Thanks, robots.

Bring the Troops Home:
http://bringthemhomenow.org

 

[kony]

Doesn't need PCIe either so again that's rather much.

Any one device can be seen as OK on the PCI bus. Two
devices? Probably fine too. Three? Hmm. Depends on the
devices, and on whether the PCI bus is healthy or anemic
like Via's was.

 

[kony]

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:48:36 +0100, Warra
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,
uk.comp.homebuilt,
alt.comp.hardware:

<snip>

As I've written time and time again, when something is
cross-posted to too many groups it tends to end up a
marathon troll infested mess.

This message is not relevant in
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd

and probably unnecessarily posted in
uk.comp.homebuilt & alt.comp.hardware given the storage
group.

 

[Rod Speed]

Any one device can be seen as OK on the PCI bus.
Two devices? Probably fine too. Three? Hmm.

I run FOUR in a rather elderly 900MHz system too.

Works fine.

Depends on the devices, and on whether the
PCI bus is healthy or anemic like Via's was.

That last is completely irrelevant TO WHAT MANFACTURERS
BOTHER TO DO WITH PCIe devices.

 

[Jim P Sharma]

This thread gets pretty crumby. Personally, I don't mind gentlemen
being wrong and don't care about the opinions of obnoxious types.

And no one actually gives a damn about what you mind or care about either.

 

[Rod Speed]

alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,
uk.comp.homebuilt,
alt.comp.hardware:

As I've written time and time again, when something
is cross-posted to too many groups it tends to end
up a marathon troll infested mess.

Mindlessly silly. Happens when it isnt crossposted too
when fools like you cant manage to grasp the basics.

This message is not relevant in
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd

Wrong, as always. He explained why its relevant to that newsgroup.

You get to like that or lump it.

and probably unnecessarily posted in
uk.comp.homebuilt & alt.comp.hardware
given the storage group.

Wrong, as always. Many of the comments have come from those groups, stupid.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

What a load of gibberish.

You've been smoked out of your hole, sonny. Now praddle on home with
your little tale between your legs and hide behind mommy.