Economics of SATA hard drive

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Rod Speed wrote:

You're nothing. Inform your handlers that you didn't take your last few
rounds of meds and go back to your cell.

 

[Ed Light]

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:48:36 +0100, Warra
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,
uk.comp.homebuilt,
alt.comp.hardware:

<snip>

As I've written time and time again, when something is
cross-posted to too many groups it tends to end up a
marathon troll infested mess.

This message is not relevant in
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd

and probably unnecessarily posted in
uk.comp.homebuilt & alt.comp.hardware given the storage
group.

Here in alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd I thought we were pretty nice to
answer it. Oops maybe I'm the only one. At least the bullies aren't ours.

Yes, it's totally not related to our group.
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[Ed Light]

And no one actually gives a damn about what you mind or care about either.

Another bully to filter.

But, wow, it's coming from another newsgroup. That's a relief.


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[Gank]

Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does
come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem.

Well, I agree with this but I still prefer to avoid eBay completely. I feel
safer that way.

 

[Rod Speed]

Well, I agree with this but I still prefer to avoid eBay completely.
I feel safer that way.

Sure, some feel the same way about online sales too.

I find them both very convenient indeed.

ebay can be great for obscure stuff you cant find anywhere else too.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Wrong again. Its not the issuer, its the merchant bank (acquirer). But
you don't know shit so it doesn't matter.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

This thread gets pretty crumby.

No, really? What makes you think that.

Personally, I don't mind gentlemen being wrong and

Yes, let everyone please take an example with your friend Merrill.

don't care about the opinions of obnoxious types.

With the exception of course of your friend Merrill.

Btw, would it kill you if you provided at least some clue as to what
message you are responding to, so we dont need to go through
consulting the headers and punch in the reference news id. ?

For someone that complains about rudeness, it is rather rude
not to use some form of attribution or a minimum of quoting.

 

[Ed Light]

No, really? What makes you think that.


Yes, let everyone please take an example with your friend Merrill.


With the exception of course of your friend Merrill.

Btw, would it kill you if you provided at least some clue as to what
message you are responding to, so we dont need to go through
consulting the headers and punch in the reference news id. ?

For someone that complains about rudeness, it is rather rude
not to use some form of attribution or a minimum of quoting.

"This thread" means the whole thread. Don't kill yourself trying to find
some part of it then.

It's so cross-posted and nasty that I think I'll go back to my uneventful
newsgroup that shouldn't have been included. No doubt to cheers from some
ungentlemanly types. To those ignoring or compressing them, cheers!
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[Odie]

No, really? What makes you think that.


Yes, let everyone please take an example with your friend Merrill.


With the exception of course of your friend Merrill.

Btw, would it kill you if you provided at least some clue as to what
message you are responding to, so we dont need to go through
consulting the headers and punch in the reference news id. ?

For someone that complains about rudeness, it is rather rude
not to use some form of attribution or a minimum of quoting.

Goodness me. Has the world suddenly developed a flat spot?

The epitome of rudeness/insolence himself castigating someone else for
being rude?

The very notion of it.

Hi, Folkert...


Odie

 

[chrisv]

Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all, either.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Like hell it does ON THE LENGTH OF THE CABLE
AND STILL STAY WITHIN THE ATA STANDARD.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I clearly didnt, you pathological liar.

You claiming that you "clearly didn't" rant about rounded PATA cables
is the lie, Ron, as everyone can see. Easy to see that it's YOU who
are the "pathological liar", Ron.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

And plenty with a clue prefer to use SATA standard cables
instead of PATA cables that flout the ATA standard, ****wit.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

No, really? What makes you think that.




Yes, let everyone please take an example with your friend Merrill.




With the exception of course of your friend Merrill.

Btw, would it kill you if you provided at least some clue as to what
message you are responding to, so we dont need to go through
consulting the headers and punch in the reference news id. ?

For someone that complains about rudeness, it is rather rude
not to use some form of attribution or a minimum of quoting.

Funniest post of the year!!

Go back home to your mommy, little girl. This place is for grown-ups.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless ****wit sheep raper that cant even manage its own
lines, or anything else at all either, desperately cowering behind
chrisv <[email protected]> desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Warra]

You clearly havent actually got a clue about using ebay.

There are plenty of commercial retail operations
that sell stuff on ebay and it isnt hard to work out
which ones those are using the feedback rating.

And if you cant find that card in a bricks and mortar operation
in that soggy little island of yours for a decent price,
http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=PCI+SATA+adapter&btnG=Search+F
roogle&scoring=p you could get real radical and order it from
somewhere outside your country from a bricks and mortar operation
that has decent prices. Postage doesnt cost much on something like
that.


Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look in the eyes
of those of us that have bought plenty of stuff like that off ebay
and havent got anything like the result you got ?

You are right that lots of people use eBay happily. But that has not
been my experience.

You say I look silly here. I also look damn silly too to the vendors
who have cost me money and have not given me the goods as described!
They love silly people.

Better to look silly to you than to look silly and lose money to an
dodgy eBay vendor.

Also, if I factor in the costs of time and effort in managing an ebay
purchase then I feel I could save that hassle for the cost of spending
an extra bit of cash at a local store. At least I get my goods and,
thoeretically, I have somewhere to go if they are defective.

 

[Warra]

Your problem.


Nope, mindless paranoia, actually.

You can get scammed with online transactions too.

Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does
come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem.

You may be in the right and you may eventually get your money but who
needs the hassle?

 

[Warra]

Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset?
I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did
recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI
controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets.
Google for the info if you don't believe,

If you Google,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Via+KT266+PCI+ATA+benchmarks

look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A...
http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/archiv/401770/index3.html

... and this is even BEFORE one tries to use the PCI bus for
other concurrent things like audio or whatever.

In computing most things are typical, but occasionally some
things stand out as very good or bad. Via chipsets PCI
performance in that era were very bad.

I clicked your Google link and saw this at
<http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339072&rl=1>

----------------------------- QUOTE
Performance Driven Design - More than Just a Slogan

VIA Technologies replaced the unimpressive memory controller in the
KT266's North Bridge (the VT8366) with a greatly improved design in
the new North Bridge chip (VT8366A). The new memory controller is
referred to by VIA's block diagram (available at VIA's web site) as
"Performance Driven Design". Technically speaking, this name sums up
a lot of changes, including:

double the burst rate for memory transfers
deeper read-write internal memory buffers (also called data queues)
faster memory timings

This improvement in the memory controller (Tom's Hardware calls it
the "industry's fastest DDR memory controller") is the major change
in the KT266A over the KT266, and takes care of the major weakness in
the original design
----------------------------- UNQUOTE

Seems that the KT266A chipset is not as affected as the KT266.
Presumably (?) this also applied to PCI cards?

 

[kony]

I clicked your Google link and saw this at
<http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339072&rl=1>

----------------------------- QUOTE
Performance Driven Design - More than Just a Slogan

VIA Technologies replaced the unimpressive memory controller in the
KT266's North Bridge (the VT8366) with a greatly improved design in
the new North Bridge chip (VT8366A). The new memory controller is
referred to by VIA's block diagram (available at VIA's web site) as
"Performance Driven Design". Technically speaking, this name sums up
a lot of changes, including:

double the burst rate for memory transfers
deeper read-write internal memory buffers (also called data queues)
faster memory timings

This improvement in the memory controller (Tom's Hardware calls it
the "industry's fastest DDR memory controller") is the major change
in the KT266A over the KT266, and takes care of the major weakness in
the original design
----------------------------- UNQUOTE

Seems that the KT266A chipset is not as affected as the KT266.
Presumably (?) this also applied to PCI cards?

Yes I think I was mistaken about the bus speed issue, that
was going from KT133 to KT133A. I now wonder how many
boards actually surfaced with the KT266 (non-A) chip though
as it stirs up another memory that boards may have been
designed for KT266 but that many ended up shipping with
KT266A (which is pin-compatible, IIRC) instead.

 

[Rod Speed]

You may be in the right and you may eventually
get your money but who needs the hassle?

You're assuming that there is any hassle.

And you can get hassles with bricks and mortar stores too.

 

[Rod Speed]

You are right that lots of people use eBay happily.

Yep, they wouldnt have the volume they do get if most got dudded.

But that has not been my experience.

Then you should get a clue and work out which of the
ebay sellers are retail operations that choose to use
ebay. Not a shred of rocket science required at all.

You say I look silly here. I also look damn silly too to
the vendors who have cost me money and have not
given me the goods as described! They love silly people.

Then you should get a clue and work out which of the
ebay sellers are retail operations that choose to use
ebay. Not a shred of rocket science required at all.

Better to look silly to you than to look silly
and lose money to an dodgy eBay vendor.

There aint just those two alternatives.

Also, if I factor in the costs of time and effort in managing
an ebay purchase then I feel I could save that hassle for
the cost of spending an extra bit of cash at a local store.

You were the one whining about how much they
want for that particular card you wanted to buy.

At least I get my goods and, thoeretically,
I have somewhere to go if they are defective.

Pity that you are the one whining about how much
they want for that particular card you wanted to buy.

 

[Ed Light]

62 megs a second should be enough for a temporary setup. Let's say you
actually manage 35 in real life. Still ok.

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[Ed Light]

62 megs a second should be enough for a temporary setup. Let's say you
actually manage 35 in real life. Still ok.

Though not if your soundcard sputters when your hd is loaded up.


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