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Todd Vargo
Jim Richards said:
Total absence of quoting is inappropriate as well.
Such private dissuasions should be handled via email.
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Total absence of quoting is inappropriate as well.
Such private dissuasions should be handled via email.
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Todd Vargo
Jim Richards said:No Al, I was not expecting that. My HD IS formatted NTFS. I was expecting it
to tell me a much later version of DOS, like 7.0 or something like that.
Jim.
Anyone suggesting a neophyte should type VER to see the DOS version on a
Win9x/ME system is most likely is not well versed with DOS versions. As you
discovered, Windows 98 does not display it's DOS version. It reports the
Windows version which tells those in_the_know the underlying DOS version.
Win95/A = DOS 7.0
Win95B/C = DOS 7.1 FAT32 introduced
Win98/SE = DOS 7.1
WinME = DOS 8.0
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Dave Patrick
*** I suppose there's always going to be a few.Todd Vargo said:Herb, you may be an MCSE, MVP, but perhaps some people consider you
unqualified to offer sensible posting advise. :-(
*** This doesn't make sense because if one trims correctly then the entireTop posting in private email is acceptable because only the two parties
involved are reading. Top posting to newsgroups does not make sense
because
thousands of readers have to scroll down then back up to follow the
discussion.
thread wouldn't be present hence you wouldn't be able to scroll down then
back up to follow...... Much easier for me to enumerate the tree and read
the replies on top.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
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Todd Vargo
Dave said:*** I suppose there's always going to be a few.Todd Vargo said:Herb, you may be an MCSE, MVP, but perhaps some people consider you
unqualified to offer sensible posting advise. :-(
*** This doesn't make sense because if one trims correctly then the entireTop posting in private email is acceptable because only the two parties
involved are reading. Top posting to newsgroups does not make sense
because
thousands of readers have to scroll down then back up to follow the
discussion.
thread wouldn't be present hence you wouldn't be able to scroll down then
back up to follow...... Much easier for me to enumerate the tree and read
the replies on top.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
Appears some MVPs have an unwritten code-of-honor sense of protecting other
MVPs opinions even if it defies common sense. Unless you have been reading
newsgroups with your eyes closed, top posters generally never trim, making
your "much easier" remark nonsense.
Follow the URL in your sig (above) and at the bottom of the bottom of the
page is a link entitled, "What is netiquette?" The following is quoted from
that page.
<quote>
If you're interested in finding out more about etiquette online, you can try
searching the Web on "netiquette."
</quote>
Please take it as good advise from Microsoft.
J
John John
Todd said:Herb, you may be an MCSE, MVP, but perhaps some people consider you
unqualified to offer sensible posting advise. :-(
Top posting in private email is acceptable because only the two parties
involved are reading. Top posting to newsgroups does not make sense because
thousands of readers have to scroll down then back up to follow the
discussion.
Please educate yourself on posting netiquette. The several links at the
bottom of the following page are all authored independently but follow the
same decorum.
Who died and made you the Queen of the News Groups? In these Microsoft
discussion groups people post in either method and for most parts no one
complains or bitches about it! Live and let live, do as you please and
leave the others alone!
John
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Herb Martin
Todd Vargo said:Herb, you may be an MCSE, MVP, but perhaps some people consider you
unqualified to offer sensible posting advise. :-(
So, they are free to ignore me as much as they are free to ignore you;
or take what is worthwhile and leave the rest.
Top posting in private email is acceptable because only the two parties
involved are reading.
Top posting is not nearly as big a "crime" as the petty net nazis have
led you to believe.
Top posting to newsgroups does not make sense because
thousands of readers have to scroll down then back up to follow the
discussion.
No, if the comments are ABOUT the entire thing, and especially if they
are small, while the original message needs to be left largely intact then
it makes perfect sense.
As far as you OTHER silly complaint to the guy about posting but
cutting everything that is even worse as any decent moder newsreader
will thread the messages so that if you don't actually need the original
the new comments can stand alone and let everyone avoid having
to scroll through a bunch of stuff they already read.
Please educate yourself on posting netiquette.
Please think it through next time.
The several links at the
bottom of the following page are all authored independently but follow the
same decorum.
I rejected this as GENERAL advice long ago -- do what is right in each
context
and ignore the net nazis who have no rea life.
H
Herb Martin
Appears some MVPs have an unwritten code-of-honor sense of protecting
other
MVPs opinions even if it defies common sense.
Gee, I doubt that -- most of us have a code that causes us to scrupously
hold each other to technical accuracy and never allow mere opinion to
be substitute for that.
Unless you have been reading
newsgroups with your eyes closed, top posters generally never trim, making
your "much easier" remark nonsense.
There are SOME top postings that are objectionable and some that are
not -- the entire idea of having it be always wrong is itself wrong.
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Stefan Kanthak
Jim Richards said:Thank you Herb Martin for a very excellent explanation. I understand it now.
Notice that my reply IS NOT a top posting. I am learning and I thank ALL of
you for your help. Super Senior Citizen Jim (Age: 79)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Posting
Please inform yourself about full quotes and null quotes too!
C.f. the "netiquette guidelines" (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt):
quote (i.e. cite) only the relevant parts you answer too, but enough
to preserve the context, and snip anything else (especially signatures,
if your News reader doesn't do this automatically).
Stefan
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Dave Patrick
No, I choose not to. Mostly I don't have time to click scroll and read. I
read and answer far too many posts to fiddle with that. Generally when I
find a bottom posted thread I skip it but then that's me. You can do as you
please.
"good advise from Microsoft." ??
Whether your saying you're a representative of Microsoft or not makes no
difference to me on this issue.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
read and answer far too many posts to fiddle with that. Generally when I
find a bottom posted thread I skip it but then that's me. You can do as you
please.
"good advise from Microsoft." ??
Whether your saying you're a representative of Microsoft or not makes no
difference to me on this issue.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
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Al Dunbar
Dave Patrick said:No, I choose not to. Mostly I don't have time to click scroll and read. I
read and answer far too many posts to fiddle with that. Generally when I
find a bottom posted thread I skip it but then that's me. You can do as
you please.
"good advise from Microsoft." ??
Whether your saying you're a representative of Microsoft or not makes no
difference to me on this issue.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
Todd Vargo said:Appears some MVPs have an unwritten code-of-honor sense of protecting
other
MVPs opinions even if it defies common sense. Unless you have been
reading
newsgroups with your eyes closed, top posters generally never trim,
making
your "much easier" remark nonsense.
Follow the URL in your sig (above) and at the bottom of the bottom of the
page is a link entitled, "What is netiquette?" The following is quoted
from
that page.
<quote>
If you're interested in finding out more about etiquette online, you can
try
searching the Web on "netiquette."
</quote>
Please take it as good advise from Microsoft.
I am deeply sorry to everyone and his dog for having been responsible for
unleashing this perpetual big-endian/little-endian dispute on those who are
probably more interested in content than in style. For those that do not
know, this has been hashed out in countless discussions in countless
newsgroups. Yes, there are accepted standards, and yes, there is room for
disagreement. Or there would be if the disagreement were not so voluminous!
;-)
/Al
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Al Dunbar
Jim Richards said:No Al, I was not expecting that. My HD IS formatted NTFS. I was expecting
it to tell me a much later version of DOS, like 7.0 or something like
that. Jim.
Well, now I'm a bit lost as to exactly what you are referring back to.
But how the HD is formatted really has nothing to do with what a DOS/9X O/S
booted from floppy will tell you its version is, because, in that context,
the VER command is not reporting on what is stored on the HD. In fact, it
couldn't, because it does not understand NTFS.
/Al
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Al Dunbar
Todd Vargo said:Anyone suggesting a neophyte should type VER to see the DOS version on a
Win9x/ME system is most likely is not well versed with DOS versions. As
you
discovered, Windows 98 does not display it's DOS version. It reports the
Windows version which tells those in_the_know the underlying DOS version.
Win95/A = DOS 7.0
Win95B/C = DOS 7.1 FAT32 introduced
Win98/SE = DOS 7.1
WinME = DOS 8.0
Well, you've gotta tell a neophyte *something* sometimes, even at the risk
of confusing things even more.
My intent was that, once he saw that it did *not* report the XP that was
stored on another volume, he would realize that an o/s booted from a
removeable drive is its own o/s having no relationship to what is installed
on the HD.
/Al
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Todd Vargo
John said:Who died and made you the Queen of the News Groups? In these Microsoft
discussion groups people post in either method and for most parts no one
complains or bitches about it! Live and let live, do as you please and
leave the others alone!
"Live and let live" in the same paragraph as name calling?
"Do as you please"? Well, quite frankly, I did! I indirectly informed an
uninformed person there is such a thing a netiquette. Its people who mock
anyone advocating good netiquette who are the ones who can not seem to
"live and let live".
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Todd Vargo
Dave said:No, I choose not to. Mostly I don't have time to click scroll and read. I
read and answer far too many posts to fiddle with that. Generally when I
find a bottom posted thread I skip it but then that's me. You can do as you
please.
"good advise from Microsoft." ??
Whether your saying you're a representative of Microsoft or not makes no
difference to me on this issue.
Sadly, you respond without even remotely understanding what you have read.
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Todd Vargo
Herb Martin said:So, they are free to ignore me as much as they are free to ignore you;
or take what is worthwhile and leave the rest.
Agreed.
Top posting is not nearly as big a "crime" as the petty net nazis have
led you to believe.
Informing others there is such a thing as netiquette is not a crime as
childish name callers would lead them to believe. Let us examine: only one
person is posting that netiquette does exist, while several have disputed,
name called and labeled that one person.
Thank you for the lesson on who is really petty here.
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Todd Vargo
Al Dunbar said:Well, you've gotta tell a neophyte *something* sometimes, even at the risk
of confusing things even more.
My intent was that, once he saw that it did *not* report the XP that was
stored on another volume, he would realize that an o/s booted from a
removeable drive is its own o/s having no relationship to what is
installed on the HD.
It's not a big deal really. At least we're (you and I) discussing something
related to the original question again.
Best regards to you, Al.
H
Herb Martin
Thank you for the lesson on who is really petty here.
Todd Vargo
You are welcome, Todd -- next time try for TECHNICAL
content in your posts on these groups, e.g., such as helping
the poster to get the info he needs or to correct substantial
errors you see posted.
J
John John
Todd said:"Live and let live" in the same paragraph as name calling?
"Do as you please"? Well, quite frankly, I did! I indirectly informed an
uninformed person there is such a thing a netiquette. Its people who mock
anyone advocating good netiquette who are the ones who can not seem to
"live and let live".
Get a life, will you! You didn't inform anyone about anything in these
groups! You simply tried to make your opinion and preference into rule
on the Microsoft discussion groups! Like it or not, top and bottom
posting has been widely accepted for years in these groups and the only
ones who ever complain are busy bodies and control freaks who think that
they must spread their gospel.
John
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Stefan Kanthak
Do you have permission from the owner of gmail.com to abuse their
subdomain!
Right, apparently you don't have time to read. Therefore you can't
understand too. That's the problem with quantity vs. quality.
That's your very own problem. Did I already mention quantity vs. quality?
If you can't handle the sheer count, reduce the number.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855 is the definitive source and tells how to
quote.
If you want to read Microsoft's version:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;DE;NGNetikette
Stefan
subdomain!
No, I choose not to. Mostly I don't have time to click scroll and read.
Right, apparently you don't have time to read. Therefore you can't
understand too. That's the problem with quantity vs. quality.
I read and answer far too many posts to fiddle with that.
That's your very own problem. Did I already mention quantity vs. quality?
If you can't handle the sheer count, reduce the number.
Generally when I find a bottom posted thread I skip it but then
that's me. You can do as you please.
"good advise from Microsoft." ??
Whether your saying you're a representative of Microsoft or not makes no
difference to me on this issue.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855 is the definitive source and tells how to
quote.
If you want to read Microsoft's version:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;DE;NGNetikette
Stefan
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Todd Vargo
John John said:Get a life, will you! You didn't inform anyone about anything in these
groups! You simply tried to make your opinion and preference into rule
on the Microsoft discussion groups! Like it or not, top and bottom
posting has been widely accepted for years in these groups and the only
ones who ever complain are busy bodies and control freaks who think that
they must spread their gospel.
More name calling? Every time you post, you keep describing yourself. You
are directly demanding something of me, yet I demand nothing of anyone. I
simply called attention to netiquette without name calling to get my point
across. Take a good hard look at yourself before complaining about others.