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Alias
Mike said:
And the last time you checked out Ubuntu was? What have you got against
it? So far, all you've done is superciliously put it down with insults.
Alias
And the last time you checked out Ubuntu was? What have you got against
it? So far, all you've done is superciliously put it down with insults.
Alias
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Travis King
Okay, Thanks Colin. Now then, I've got more to say. (More questions than
anything else.) After I for example install the Vista upgrade once, is it
true that I will have to install XP and then Vista again each time I format
or can Vista be installed without having XP installed after the first time?
....And a little off-topic from the original post, but with getting Vista
Business for free with that program their offering, is there any catch to it
besides registering and viewing three webcasts? Any costs anywhere? When
are these webcasts, how long do they last, etc?
anything else.) After I for example install the Vista upgrade once, is it
true that I will have to install XP and then Vista again each time I format
or can Vista be installed without having XP installed after the first time?
....And a little off-topic from the original post, but with getting Vista
Business for free with that program their offering, is there any catch to it
besides registering and viewing three webcasts? Any costs anywhere? When
are these webcasts, how long do they last, etc?
Colin Barnhorst said:
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Travis King
Sorry. Cancel the last part of my post; I'm going to do a new post asking
this because a few more questions are popping up in my head.
this because a few more questions are popping up in my head.
Travis King said:
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Colin Barnhorst
Yes, but you can avoid that whole issue by using CompletePC Backup to make
an image copy (or Acronis or any of the others) and simply restore from
that. Why would you be formatting? I doubt that will be necessary like it
was with Win9x/ME. But if you feel better doing that sort of thing, I'd set
up Vista with a base set of apps and then make a reference image and store
it safely for those occasions.
As for the freebie from the promo, no there are no strings except I would
think it will be a Not For Resale copy. That will simply be a label on the
case. Don't put it on eBay. The promo copies of Windows are always full
editions and have no timebombs or anything else. You will be eligible for
Microsoft Product Support Services help as well. No OEM this or that if
that is concerning you. They just send you a retail sku with an NFR label
slapped on it. MS pays the shipping.
The webcasts are made by TechNet and are either 60 (most) or 90 minutes.
Any of the webcasts can be viewed on-demand. Any time you like. Each live
one is followed by a survey and there is something about labs, one per
webcast I would think. They would be on-demand also.
an image copy (or Acronis or any of the others) and simply restore from
that. Why would you be formatting? I doubt that will be necessary like it
was with Win9x/ME. But if you feel better doing that sort of thing, I'd set
up Vista with a base set of apps and then make a reference image and store
it safely for those occasions.
As for the freebie from the promo, no there are no strings except I would
think it will be a Not For Resale copy. That will simply be a label on the
case. Don't put it on eBay. The promo copies of Windows are always full
editions and have no timebombs or anything else. You will be eligible for
Microsoft Product Support Services help as well. No OEM this or that if
that is concerning you. They just send you a retail sku with an NFR label
slapped on it. MS pays the shipping.
The webcasts are made by TechNet and are either 60 (most) or 90 minutes.
Any of the webcasts can be viewed on-demand. Any time you like. Each live
one is followed by a survey and there is something about labs, one per
webcast I would think. They would be on-demand also.
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Travis King
Thanks Colin. You've been very helpful (as well as others) to this group.
The resaling Vista would not be a problem, as I would intend on using it. I
guess you can ignore my post titled 'Webcasts' because you answered
basically everything I asked. This sounds like a pretty good deal. Should
I only register for three webcasts or should I register for more if you were
me? Is it correct that I must complete the three webcasts within 30 days of
registering? Not a problem with Winter break coming up in three weeks -
I'll have plenty of time to view them. I do meet the age requirements and
location requirements, etc. By the way, I thought CompletePC Backup is not
available on all SKUs of Vista.
The resaling Vista would not be a problem, as I would intend on using it. I
guess you can ignore my post titled 'Webcasts' because you answered
basically everything I asked. This sounds like a pretty good deal. Should
I only register for three webcasts or should I register for more if you were
me? Is it correct that I must complete the three webcasts within 30 days of
registering? Not a problem with Winter break coming up in three weeks -
I'll have plenty of time to view them. I do meet the age requirements and
location requirements, etc. By the way, I thought CompletePC Backup is not
available on all SKUs of Vista.
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xfile
With all respect, I like to anti-MS AND as being a customer at the same time
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:With all respect, you second anything that is anti-MS..
xfile said:
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Tim
If you haven't registered for the promo by now, it's too late. As of about
an hour ago, the web site said there are "no more gifts available." If
you've already registered, you'll be able to complete the webcasts and get
your free copy.
an hour ago, the web site said there are "no more gifts available." If
you've already registered, you'll be able to complete the webcasts and get
your free copy.
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Colin Barnhorst
Now that we know it sold out, I highly recommend two of the three webcasts
on the Security Tab. Simply find them in the regular TechNet On-Demad list
and check them out. They are the ones about UAC, as I recall.
on the Security Tab. Simply find them in the regular TechNet On-Demad list
and check them out. They are the ones about UAC, as I recall.
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Colin Barnhorst
It went through. If you were using a web-based reader out of Vista then you got the well-known erroneous report (bug) and naturally you believed it and reposted. Not to worry.
Yes, clearly you can do a Custom Installation from an Upgrade Edition. That's the only way it could work if you started Setup from a Win2000 or XP x64 desktop. What would distinguish this from the full edition is that you probably could not choose a target partition other than the current active one (to prevent setting up a dual boot with Vista and the OS you were supposed to be replacing).
The product keys only determine what edition you are installing and whether it is an upgrade or full edition. WGA will determine if the running OS can be upgraded.
Your disk count is about right. The Enterprise ones you refer to are volume license copies. They are not bootable.
for some reason this didn't go through...
You've no doubt seen this in another thread, but... the upgrade media will
perform a clean install. I do not know how it checks whether it's a valid
upgrade - possibly it asks for a CD key from your old installation media -
but the only Windows versions you can run Vista setup from are XP and Vista.
Other versions must be a clean install. So clearly the media will perform a
clean install.
I would be surprised if the media is different from the full version anyway.
I suspect upgrade keys are going to prompt the system to ask for validation
that you have a valid product to upgrade from, and if you don't, you'll have
to at least pay the difference online to go to full, or else it just won't
activate, period. Again, this is merely my speculation, I could be way
off... but it's a fact that you can upgrade from Windows 2000, it's a fact
that you have to perform a clean install when you do, and it is very
unlikely there will be two versions of upgrade media. It is reported that
there are 6 disks in all - 2 Retail, 2 OEM, and 2 Enterprise, each in 32 and
64 bit versions.
Rich
Yes, clearly you can do a Custom Installation from an Upgrade Edition. That's the only way it could work if you started Setup from a Win2000 or XP x64 desktop. What would distinguish this from the full edition is that you probably could not choose a target partition other than the current active one (to prevent setting up a dual boot with Vista and the OS you were supposed to be replacing).
The product keys only determine what edition you are installing and whether it is an upgrade or full edition. WGA will determine if the running OS can be upgraded.
Your disk count is about right. The Enterprise ones you refer to are volume license copies. They are not bootable.
for some reason this didn't go through...
You've no doubt seen this in another thread, but... the upgrade media will
perform a clean install. I do not know how it checks whether it's a valid
upgrade - possibly it asks for a CD key from your old installation media -
but the only Windows versions you can run Vista setup from are XP and Vista.
Other versions must be a clean install. So clearly the media will perform a
clean install.
I would be surprised if the media is different from the full version anyway.
I suspect upgrade keys are going to prompt the system to ask for validation
that you have a valid product to upgrade from, and if you don't, you'll have
to at least pay the difference online to go to full, or else it just won't
activate, period. Again, this is merely my speculation, I could be way
off... but it's a fact that you can upgrade from Windows 2000, it's a fact
that you have to perform a clean install when you do, and it is very
unlikely there will be two versions of upgrade media. It is reported that
there are 6 disks in all - 2 Retail, 2 OEM, and 2 Enterprise, each in 32 and
64 bit versions.
Rich
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
David;
The requirement to have the previous OS installed is new.
I was referring to the licenses to the previous OSs also being tied to the
computer as not new.
Perhaps as technology advances, Microsoft will come out with another method.
Until then, you may find yourself installing several OSs to get to the new
OS if all are upgrades.
Unfortunately another cost associated with the upgrades vs. full.
The requirement to have the previous OS installed is new.
I was referring to the licenses to the previous OSs also being tied to the
computer as not new.
Perhaps as technology advances, Microsoft will come out with another method.
Until then, you may find yourself installing several OSs to get to the new
OS if all are upgrades.
Unfortunately another cost associated with the upgrades vs. full.
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Alias
Mike said:
Why are you here, to insult people and think you're being cute and
clever when you do it?
Alias
M
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
How to reduce credibility..
xfile said:With all respect, I like to anti-MS AND as being a customer at the same
time
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:With all respect, you second anything that is anti-MS..
xfile said:
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Mike
Alias said:
But I'm not insulting people. I'm insulting Linux Loonies whose only
purpose here is to troll.
Mike
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Alias
Mike said:
And yet another insult. Thanks for proving my point: you are here only
to insult people. Users of Linux are people too, you know.
Alias
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xfile
Credibility is the least thing I'd concern in here since I don't have any
title after my name and don't disclose my name in the first place
title after my name and don't disclose my name in the first place
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:How to reduce credibility..
xfile said:With all respect, I like to anti-MS AND as being a customer at the same
time
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:With all respect, you second anything that is anti-MS..
Nobody denies that MS should try to prevent the use of borrowed disks
to qualify for an upgrade[...]
I second that.
But requiring a physical installation is just not necessary (and anyway
all it proves is that the user knows how to install 2000 or XP).
I second that.
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Personally, I don't see why a person should be able to make up their
own PC, scrounge a Windows 2000/XP CD from somebody, and then use it
to take advantage of the cheaper upgrade price of Vista.. that is
just plain cheating..
People should consider themselves lucky that upgrades in the past
have allowed a user to do a clean install from an OS that they most
likely never used themselves.. so now, upgraders have to be in
possession of a Win 2000 or XP CD and a working installation.. oh
dear.. that's how it should be anyway for somebody to qualify for an
upgrade..
MS are finally getting around to doing what they should have done
years ago..
Mike:
Nobody denies that MS should try to prevent the use of borrowed disks
to qualify for an upgrade (a common practice, I am sure). But
requiring a physical installation is just not necessary (and anyway
all it proves is that the user knows how to install 2000 or XP).
Supplying the Product Key for the qualifying system would provide MS
with all the information they need, and would be much less hassle for
the user.
David Wilkinson
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xfile
I have to stop, or Jeff will jumped in and yelling at me for hijacking the
thread.
Talk to you on other thread, if that matters at all.
thread.
Talk to you on other thread, if that matters at all.
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:How to reduce credibility..
xfile said:With all respect, I like to anti-MS AND as being a customer at the same
time
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:With all respect, you second anything that is anti-MS..
Nobody denies that MS should try to prevent the use of borrowed disks
to qualify for an upgrade[...]
I second that.
But requiring a physical installation is just not necessary (and anyway
all it proves is that the user knows how to install 2000 or XP).
I second that.
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Personally, I don't see why a person should be able to make up their
own PC, scrounge a Windows 2000/XP CD from somebody, and then use it
to take advantage of the cheaper upgrade price of Vista.. that is
just plain cheating..
People should consider themselves lucky that upgrades in the past
have allowed a user to do a clean install from an OS that they most
likely never used themselves.. so now, upgraders have to be in
possession of a Win 2000 or XP CD and a working installation.. oh
dear.. that's how it should be anyway for somebody to qualify for an
upgrade..
MS are finally getting around to doing what they should have done
years ago..
Mike:
Nobody denies that MS should try to prevent the use of borrowed disks
to qualify for an upgrade (a common practice, I am sure). But
requiring a physical installation is just not necessary (and anyway
all it proves is that the user knows how to install 2000 or XP).
Supplying the Product Key for the qualifying system would provide MS
with all the information they need, and would be much less hassle for
the user.
David Wilkinson
M
Mike
Alias said:
Only just.
Mike
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Alias
xfile said:Credibility is the least thing I'd concern in here since I don't have any
title after my name and don't disclose my name in the first place
For some reason the MS fanboys and girls think that you need to like
*everything* MS does or you're a troll. Constructive criticism isn't
welcome by the fanboys and girls.
MS said it, they believe it and that settles it.
Alias
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:How to reduce credibility..
xfile said:With all respect, I like to anti-MS AND as being a customer at the same
time
message With all respect, you second anything that is anti-MS..
Nobody denies that MS should try to prevent the use of borrowed disks
to qualify for an upgrade[...]
I second that.
But requiring a physical installation is just not necessary (and anyway
all it proves is that the user knows how to install 2000 or XP).
I second that.
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Personally, I don't see why a person should be able to make up their
own PC, scrounge a Windows 2000/XP CD from somebody, and then use it
to take advantage of the cheaper upgrade price of Vista.. that is
just plain cheating..
People should consider themselves lucky that upgrades in the past
have allowed a user to do a clean install from an OS that they most
likely never used themselves.. so now, upgraders have to be in
possession of a Win 2000 or XP CD and a working installation.. oh
dear.. that's how it should be anyway for somebody to qualify for an
upgrade..
MS are finally getting around to doing what they should have done
years ago..
Mike:
Nobody denies that MS should try to prevent the use of borrowed disks
to qualify for an upgrade (a common practice, I am sure). But
requiring a physical installation is just not necessary (and anyway
all it proves is that the user knows how to install 2000 or XP).
Supplying the Product Key for the qualifying system would provide MS
with all the information they need, and would be much less hassle for
the user.
David Wilkinson
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Alias
Mike said:
My, another insult. Thanks for proving my point again.
Alias
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Mike
Alias said:
Whereas the Linux fanboys don't like *anything* MS does.
Wake me up when you offer some "constructive criticism". Telling people
to "forget Vista and install Linux" doesn't qualify as "constructive
criticism".
Linus said it, Linux Loonies believe it and that settles it.
Mike