CANON WARRANTY REGARDING AFTERMARKET INK

[friesian]

YOU COULD BUY A BRAND NEW CANON FOR UNDER $90.00

Back then, I couldn't. That printer was rerailing at around $180 - $200
at the time. I bought it because I wanted to go with separate ink
tanks. Now they are much cheaper. That's why I have 3 now.

THE AVERAGE LIGHT USER HAS PRINTCLOGS AND REFILLING IS A DIRTY PAIN.

That may be about the print clogs. My clogs do seem to be after a break
in printing. And two of my ink tanks have gotten moldy if they were
left low for awhile. I started making show I use all of them more often
than just sticking with one, and I haven't had to replace a tank in
months.

As for refilling being a dirty pain, it really depends on the system.
My parents tried a kind they bought at a store, and it was an awful
pain. But the system I bought is very easy, and not messy at all. I
actually chose it because I read the directions and liked it much
better.

Some systems have you put the ink in through the outlet hole. The
system I got has you drill a small hole in the top of the cartridge.
You cover the outlet hole with tape whenever the top hole is open. You
insert the ink with a needle, then put the screw in the top. Then you
remove the tape, and put the cartridge back in the printer. I can do
all 6 tanks in less than 10 minutes. I put some paper towels on a paper
plate so that I can blot the tanks on it before putting them back in.
And I keep all my jars of ink and needles in a tool box, so it is all
nice a neat. I do not need to wear gloves, and I rarely ever get any on
me.

YOUR NEEDS ARE UNIQUES ENOUGH THAT YOU ARE DOING
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

I agree that it is not for everybody, but I disagree that my needs are
that unique. I'm sure there are lots of people who would benefit from
filling their own ink.

Even my parents, who do not print nearly as much as me, benefit from
it. They previously were going through ink very quickly. By switching
them to the canon printer (so that I could use my ink with their
printer), they have been able to go 2-3 months without needing new ink.
They've been doing this system now for just over a year, and they
haven't had any problems. This is so much better than the frustration
my dad had in dealing with the last printer. He was spending $20-40 a
month trying to keep that thing going.

Also, once people get a printer with separate ink tanks, and find a
system that works for them to refill ink, they find out there is so
much more that they can do. My mom decided to scan and print all the
older family photos. She now has them all archived on CD, and was able
to give an album of the family history to my older brother as a
birthday gift. She printed hundreds of pages, and was amazed at how
long she could go before refilling the ink.

I never would sent greeting cards as advertising mailers, made catalogs
to take to shows, or printed proofs at home. Not before using this
system. It was only after I discovered how cheap it was that I realized
I could do this. I bought the printer because of the separate ink
tanks. I was tired of my color ink cartridges running out of one color
and being useless after only 20-25 pages. And then I would take the
pages to Kinko's to pay 99 cents a sheet for copies.

Replacing my own ink, seeing the savings - that was what caused me to
increase my printer usage.

 

[Taliesyn]

My clogs do seem to be after a break in printing. And two of my ink tanks have
gotten moldy if they were left low for awhile.

Moldy?... Moldy?... I don't know, you scare me more than Measekite ever
did! ;-)

-Taliesyn

 

[Burt]

Friesian - you are trying to talk sense with our senseless troll who
despises anyone who is successful with aftermarket inks and refilling. He's
never used aftermarket inks, nor has he attempted to refill a cartridge.
You obviously have experience and are pleased with the product you are
using. One more person's real experience to add to the large number of
participants in this newsgroup who disprove his flat-out lying diatribe.

 

[zakezuke]

That may be about the print clogs. My clogs do seem to be after a break

in printing. And two of my ink tanks have gotten moldy if they were
left low for awhile. I started making show I use all of them more often
than just sticking with one, and I haven't had to replace a tank in
months.

Are you sure you're talking mold and not algae? This is actually a
problem with having clear tanks... light causes algae to grow.

 

[measekite]

Friesian - you are trying to talk sense with our senseless troll who
despises anyone who is successful with aftermarket inks and refilling.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT PUTTING FORTH THE TRUTH OF WHAT I SAY. OR MAYBE
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF

He's
never used aftermarket inks, nor has he attempted to refill a cartridge.
You obviously have experience and are pleased with the product you are
using. One more person's real experience to add to the large number of
participants in this newsgroup who disprove his flat-out lying diatribe.

THE TRUTH HURTS. ARE YOU HAVING A TIZZY. FOR HIS SPECIAL NEEDS HE IS
DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. HE AS A SPECIAL CASE SO IT CAN BE SAID IT IS
AN ECONOMIC JUSTIFIABLE LABORIOUS PAIN IN THE BUTT BUT JUSTIFIABLE.

 

[measekite]

measekite wrote:




Back then, I couldn't. That printer was rerailing at around $180 - $200
at the time. I bought it because I wanted to go with separate ink
tanks. Now they are much cheaper. That's why I have 3 now.






That may be about the print clogs. My clogs do seem to be after a break
in printing. And two of my ink tanks have gotten moldy if they were
left low for awhile. I started making show I use all of them more often
than just sticking with one, and I haven't had to replace a tank in
months.

As for refilling being a dirty pain, it really depends on the system.
My parents tried a kind they bought at a store, and it was an awful
pain. But the system I bought is very easy, and not messy at all. I
actually chose it because I read the directions and liked it much
better.

Some systems have you put the ink in through the outlet hole. The
system I got has you drill a small hole in the top of the cartridge.
You cover the outlet hole with tape whenever the top hole is open. You
insert the ink with a needle, then put the screw in the top. Then you
remove the tape, and put the cartridge back in the printer. I can do
all 6 tanks in less than 10 minutes. I put some paper towels on a paper
plate so that I can blot the tanks on it before putting them back in.
And I keep all my jars of ink and needles in a tool box, so it is all
nice a neat. I do not need to wear gloves, and I rarely ever get any on
me.






I agree that it is not for everybody, but I disagree that my needs are
that unique. I'm sure there are lots of people who would benefit from
filling their own ink.

YOUR PRINT VOLUME IS VERY HIGH. FOR AVERAGE LOWER VOLUME USERS WHO BUY
NEW PRINTERS IT IS NOT WORTH THE RISK OR THE PAIN AND MESS. I PROBABLY
CHANGE THE COLOR ON THE CANON ABOUT 3 TIMES A YEAR AND THE BLACK ABOUT
TWICE. I DO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PRINTER. IT JUST IS NOT WORTH IT.

 

[zakezuke]

the truth hurts. are you having a tizzy

1. A printer's warranty isn't void by the use of aftermarket inks. In
America this would be a violation of Federal Law {MAGNUSON-MOSS
WARRANTY IMPROVEMENT ACT) which should be handled by the FTC. Other
countries have similar provisions. Now if the damage was caused by 3rd
party inks and it can be proven the same damage wouldn't happen with
OEM ink... then yes they decline warranty service legaly. In practice
this does not happen.

2. *NOWHERE* and I mean NOWHERE does the warranty expressly say that
the use of third party products voids the warranty. Even if there
was... it would be in total violation of Federal Law in America... as
well as laws in other respective countries. Measekite was nice
enough to conferm that under Canon's warranty so long as the product
doesn't cause excessive returns the warranty is NOT void.

3. The only person having a tizzy is Measkite. This diatribulation is
all about some guy who thinks his warranty on his epson was void as a
direct result of 3rd party ink use. This is the sort of thing that
needs to be reported to the FTC because it can easily be proven that
Epsons like most inkjets do clog as a direct result of normal use.

 

[fb]

Friesian - you are trying to talk sense with our senseless troll who
despises anyone who is successful with aftermarket inks and refilling. He's
never used aftermarket inks, nor has he attempted to refill a cartridge.
You obviously have experience and are pleased with the product you are
using. One more person's real experience to add to the large number of
participants in this newsgroup who disprove his flat-out lying diatribe.

Yeah that idiot actually considers himself to be an expert on all things
that have to do with printing.
What a joke he is! What a liar!
Frank

 

[zakezuke]

i probally change the color on the canon about 3 times a year and the black about

twice

Which black?

Then you would save "so much" that you could afford to buy a new
printer in 1 year. Not worth it to you... that fine, but someone else
with equaly low volume could spend. That's less than $50 a year
depending on where you shop vs OEM at over $150, even at Costco.
That's 1 year and 3 months of ink from the same place, so it's exactly
the same color.

Not worth it to you? That's fine.. but it is worth it when you can
increase your printing by a factor of 10 at NO added cost. Given that
photoprinting uses up easily 40 times the amount of ink as text
printing... you can see if you used any form of reason the savings of
$100 from a light user like our self means hundrads of dollars for
heavy users.

 

[friesian]

Moldy?... Moldy?... I don't know, you scare me more than Measekite ever
did! ;-)

Yes, it is odd, but two of them have had mold growing in them. Granted,
they were probably close to empty for awhile before I pulled them out.
I was really surprised about the first one. I didn't realize it was
possible. The second one, I just found a couple days ago. There is a
small amount of mold in it. So, I'll chuck it and get another one.

 

[friesian]

Are you sure you're talking mold and not algae? This is actually a
problem with having clear tanks... light causes algae to grow.

Interesting. I'm not really sure what it is. Looking at the current one
with a flashlight, it looks like a dark thin trail or dried ink down
the side, and some lighter colored, fluffy stuff around the bottom of
it.

 

[friesian]

Friesian - you are trying to talk sense with our senseless troll who
despises anyone who is successful with aftermarket inks and refilling.

Yes, I know. But I figure we have to undo his damage as others will be
searching these newsgroups looking for advice later, and I'd rather
they find a variety of success stories.

 

[friesian]

THE TRUTH HURTS.
Nope.


ARE YOU HAVING A TIZZY.

Who's having a tizzy? You are the only one screaming in capitals.

FOR HIS SPECIAL NEEDS HE IS
DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.

Not that you care, but I'm a she.


HE AS A SPECIAL CASE SO IT CAN BE SAID IT IS

AN ECONOMIC JUSTIFIABLE LABORIOUS PAIN IN THE BUTT BUT JUSTIFIABLE.

Um. It is NOT a laboriou pain. I can fill an ink tank in less than 2
minutes. No big deal. That's about a minute longer than getting out a
brand new one. And about 30 minutes LESS than it takes to drive to the
store and back. And considering that most of my ink tends to run out
when I am really busy, or late at night when the stores close, it's a
lot more convenient to have plenty of ink right here.

For the same price of a complete set of new OEM cartrudges, I can buy a
complete set of bottled ink - that's 8oz each of cyan, magenta,
yellow, photo cyan, photo magenta, and 16 oz of black.

I can refill all of the tanks in the house, including my spare set, in
less than 15 minutes. So, usually, I can switch out tanks rather than
fill each time I run out.

I realize you are obsessed with attacking this idea, but why do you
think it is so difficult to do? Isn't the trip to the store more of a
hassle?

 

[friesian]

YOUR PRINT VOLUME IS VERY HIGH. FOR AVERAGE LOWER VOLUME USERS >WHO BUY

NEW PRINTERS IT IS NOT WORTH THE RISK OR THE PAIN AND MESS. I >PROBABLY
CHANGE THE COLOR ON THE CANON ABOUT 3 TIMES A YEAR AND THE >BLACK ABOUT
TWICE. I DO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PRINTER. IT JUST IS NOT WORTH IT.

I haven't seen anybody insist that YOU should start refilling ink. I do
see YOU trying to stop everybody from refilling ink.

Honestly, if you don't use your printers that much, why do you spend
so much time trolling a printer newsgroup?

 

[zakezuke]

Honestly, if you don't use your printers that much, why do you spend

so much time trolling a printer newsgroup?

It's a theory that Canon hired out a viral advertising agency who
employs people to spam the groups. It sounds silly but considering
that young people don't spend as much time watching TV as they once
did... they have to plug their product somehow and it's been known to
happen some joe/jane take a perfectly inocent blog site and make it
into the splitting image of the marketing spew on the offical website.
There is no evidence to back this up other than the fact that this
person plugs Canon 10 times a day, and plugs OEM inks every time
someone asks a technical support question... software related onces.

It's very amazing and quite sad... more so that people like me are
total for someone who likes a given manufacturer's OEM ink, and are
happy to share why brand OEM is better than Brand X Y or Z. What's
even more sad is spending upwards of $3000/gal for something only
lightfast for 25 to 30 years under glass, under 10 without glass... and
only then on the premium paper types. While I'm sure the ink i'm
buying isn't nearly as decent as this pitiful figure... I don't think
such a lame rating under the best conditions is worth $10 bucks a
tank... perhaps $5.00.

 

[Burt]

Friesian - I appreciate your point on trying to undo his damage. I did that
for the better part of a year. I finally tired of spending so much time
dealing with his nonsense and killfiled him. Fortunately, there are new
participants continually coming on board who very quickly recognize his
nonsensical diatribes as misinformation and respond as you have.

 

[Burt]

I haven't seen anybody insist that YOU should start refilling ink. I do
see YOU trying to stop everybody from refilling ink.

Honestly, if you don't use your printers that much, why do you spend
so much time trolling a printer newsgroup?

Friesian - He just loves the attention he gets by being rude, unhelpful, and
authoritative about things he knows little or nothing about. He is a
classic "flamer" - a carry over from the old chat room days when some people
took great glee in putting others down and being rude while hiding behind
the anonymity of a phony name. Like the compulsive gambler, he's here
simply for the "action." He also loves to "fish" for newcomers so he can
engage them in the same arguments he has repeated over and over, ad nauseum,
for more than the year plus that I've participated in this NG. When you get
tired of talking in circles with his twisted logic he will have tossed the
bait out for someone else to annoy and they will pick up on the same attempt
to refute his lies and misstatements. Believe me, nearly everyone who comes
on as a newcomer catches on to his blather very quickly and recognizes it
for what it is - garbage. With virtually every post he makes he inserts his
foot in his big mouth and shoots down his own credibility.

 

[friesian]

It's a theory that Canon hired out a viral advertising agency who
employs people to spam the groups. It sounds silly but considering
that young people don't spend as much time watching TV as they once

Actually, it doesn't sound that silly. Until I saw the post that said
it was okay for high volume users, I figured he was a Canon rep trying
to push OEM inks.

It's pretty obvious that Canon doesn't make its money from selling
printers. It makes its money from selling the ink. So they have to
scare people into believing that they must use only Canon ink. They are
told the quality will be horrible, and the printer damaged.

I like Canon products. I have Canon cameras (both film and digital). I
have a Canon Scanner, 4 canon printers (as well as 2 previous canon
printers). They do have good products. But their ink is overpriced, and
their warnings are misleading. I am also disappointed at their lack of
paper choices. They insisted I could not use non-canon glossy paper in
my printer, but they won't make a 2 sided glossy brochure paper. They
tell me to use theirs, but don't make what I need.

 

[zakezuke]

It's pretty obvious that Canon doesn't make its money from selling

printers. It makes its money from selling the ink. So they have to
scare people into believing that they must use only Canon ink.

Well they don't really need to scare anyone, there are enough people
out there who are happy to spend the premium price for something they
know that works. While I do like canon printers I'm still trying to
figure out the color aspect... as in how to render images that are less
"vivid"... and it would be nice if I was able to do hybrid color photo
and pigmented black text.

My main issue is their lack of an archive solution on the consumer
level even though they have imagePROGRAF pigments for their wide (a1
and above) models. Not as nice or archival as Epson's product but
nothing to sneeze at and would be a welcome choice on the consumer
printers. I would be perfectly happy to pay double the 50cent/ml they
charge for tiny 130ml tanks to get them in the consumer level 13ml
tanks, but alas in their wisdom they don't see the market pigments in
consumer inkjets.

I like Canon products. I have Canon cameras (both film and digital). I
have a Canon Scanner, 4 canon printers (as well as 2 previous canon
printers). They do have good products. But their ink is overpriced, and
their warnings are misleading. I am also disappointed at their lack of
paper choices. They insisted I could not use non-canon glossy paper in
my printer, but they won't make a 2 sided glossy brochure paper. They
tell me to use theirs, but don't make what I need.

I'm stuck in anlog film my self, a-1 and new ae-1. To be honest I'm
considering pentax as my next camera simply because of the availablity
of K mounts. I was typicaly an HP person but CD printing and refilling
won me over to canon.

But yes... for a company who's pride and joy is duplex printing on
consumer printers... it seems odd that they wouldn't have their own
double sized brochure paper.

 

[measekite]

Friesian - I appreciate your point on trying to undo his damage. I did that
for the better part of a year. I finally tired of spending so much time
dealing with his nonsense and killfiled him.

DERE ARE MANY PUPEEL WHO DA KILL FILE DAT KEEP RESPONDING TO DA TRUTH
DAT I WONDER WONDER WONDER WHO WRTOE DAT BOOOOK OF LUB

Fortunately, there are new
participants continually coming on board who very quickly recognize his
nonsensical diatribes as misinformation and respond as you have.

DESE ARE DA PUPIL WHO HAVE CLOGGED PRINTHEED FROM DA AFTERMARKET VENDORS
WHO NO DISCLOTHES DA INKY