Bootable CDROM for BIOS update?

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Ron, have you and your fellow advocates not realised that there is a logical
inconsistency in your position? You have argued that superficially unnecessary
BIOS updates are in fact absolutely essential because more is being fixed than
the published fix-list indicates, yet you also seem to have absolute faith that
the update will actually be an improvement. Even if the flash is successful, and
really does fix some bug you never even knew you had, what's to guarantee that
it won't also introduce some very real problem with whatever other changes come
along with it? If you truly believe that BIOSes are so buggy that they need
regular upgrading, how can you possibly have such optimistic faith in the newer
versions produced by the exact same people? (Your argument reminds me somewhat
of Microsoft's widely-discredited "marketing" strategy of praising their latest
version of Windows to the skies then later dissing it as useless and awful as
soon as the next version comes along...)
 
R. J. Sutherland said:
Ron, have you and your fellow advocates not realised that there is a logical
inconsistency in your position?
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The logical inconsistency is entirely with you.
You have argued that superficially unnecessary
Clueless.

BIOS updates are in fact absolutely essential because more is being fixed than
the published fix-list indicates, yet you also seem to have absolute faith that
the update will actually be an improvement.
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Jibber. The average BIOS flash will be an improvement.
Even if the flash is successful, and
really does fix some bug you never even knew you had, what's to guarantee that
it won't also introduce some very real problem with whatever other changes come
along with it?
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It might but then the average BIOS flash is an improvement. Just like any
given program update or SP might cause a new problem but one always does
them anyway and then deals with any problems caused. You are sounding more
and more like somekind of neanderthal zealot.
If you truly believe that BIOSes are so buggy that they need
regular upgrading, how can you possibly have such optimistic faith in the newer
versions produced by the exact same people? (Your argument reminds me somewhat
of Microsoft's widely-discredited "marketing" strategy of praising their latest
version of Windows to the skies then later dissing it as useless and awful as
soon as the next version comes along...)
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Finally full frontal exposure...they just can't help em selves.
 
Well, I'm truly disappointed in you, Ron. Although I was certainly sceptical
about your claim, I'm not part of any International Conspiracy to Suppress
Updating of BIOSes, and I was genuinely curious to see if you could sustain your
argument. This was my first posting on this subject, but I seem to have touched
a raw nerve. I believe I was fair in summarising your position, and I deserved
better. I'm willing to believe that "silent" bug fixes happen, especially if I'm
told so by people who are more "in the know" than me, but real-life experience
also dictates that changes can also introduce problems that didn't exist before.
I simply observed from the sidelines that you seemed to be trying "to have your
cake and eat it too", since you are claiming that regular BIOS updates are a
must (to fix bugs, presumably, rather than as a weird form of entertainment) and
yet you seem to have this naive belief that the very people who produced all
these secret bugs in the first place can be trusted not to introduce other
(equally secret) ones in their place. Instead of addressing this issue, you just
produced an abusive emotive rant ("clueless", "jibber", etc.) that certainly
didn't win this convert, and may possibly have lost it for others too. Such a
shame.
Finally full frontal exposure...
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Are you (ahem) quite all right...?
 
R. J. Sutherland said:
Well, I'm truly disappointed in you, Ron. Although I was certainly sceptical
about your claim, I'm not part of any International Conspiracy to Suppress
Updating of BIOSes, and I was genuinely curious to see if you could sustain your
argument.
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I did just that robustly.
This was my first posting on this subject, but I seem to have touched
a raw nerve. I believe I was fair in summarising your position, and I deserved
better. I'm willing to believe that "silent" bug fixes happen, especially if I'm
told so by people who are more "in the know" than me, but real-life experience
also dictates that changes can also introduce problems that didn't exist before.
I simply observed from the sidelines that you seemed to be trying "to have your
cake and eat it too", since you are claiming that regular BIOS updates are a
must (to fix bugs, presumably, rather than as a weird form of entertainment) and
yet you seem to have this naive belief that the very people who produced all
these secret bugs in the first place can be trusted not to introduce other
(equally secret) ones in their place.
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Hey let's whisper about the collapse of WTC7 too.
Instead of addressing this issue, you just
produced an abusive emotive rant ("clueless", "jibber", etc.) that certainly
didn't win this convert, and may possibly have lost it for others too. Such a
shame.
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Better luck next time.
Are you (ahem) quite all right...?
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I'll leave that to the folks reading the thread to decide for themselves.
 
FFS, please snip. You don't need to quote reams of text just to add a
few words' reply.

Cheers,

Guy

"If you want to find out what is wrong
with democracy, spend five minutes with
the average voter." - Winston Churchill
 
Well, I'm truly disappointed in you, Ron. Although I was certainly sceptical
about your claim, I'm not part of any International Conspiracy to Suppress
Updating of BIOSes, and I was genuinely curious to see if you could sustain your
argument. This was my first posting on this subject, but I seem to have touched
a raw nerve. I believe I was fair in summarising your position, and I deserved
better. I'm willing to believe that "silent" bug fixes happen, especially if I'm
told so by people who are more "in the know" than me, but real-life experience
also dictates that changes can also introduce problems that didn't exist before.
I simply observed from the sidelines that you seemed to be trying "to have your
cake and eat it too", since you are claiming that regular BIOS updates are a
must (to fix bugs, presumably, rather than as a weird form of entertainment) and
yet you seem to have this naive belief that the very people who produced all
these secret bugs in the first place can be trusted not to introduce other
(equally secret) ones in their place. Instead of addressing this issue, you just
produced an abusive emotive rant ("clueless", "jibber", etc.) that certainly
didn't win this convert, and may possibly have lost it for others too. Such a
shame.


Are you (ahem) quite all right...?
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Don't worry about Ronnie Retard he just seems to have found a new home
here on a.c.p.m.asus he used to infest the comp
sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage group but got laughed out of there over a
year ago due to his insanity over the IBM Deathstar fiasco. I only
realised it was the same guy after reading some of his rantings other
people were quoting in their posts he's been in the bozo bin for years
here.


Regards

Andy Lee
 
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