Atlantic Inkjet/Re-Inks

[Richard Steinfeld]

As for the blackberries around here, consider this: Last August I went
out to the edge of our woods and picked a pint of wild blackberries,
which I entered in competition at the New York State Fair. They won
first prize. (and not in the ink division)

I will admit that those berries were provided by the berry OEM, and the
cultivated, fertilized, fussed-over aftermarket berries didn't stand a
chance.

TJ

Pigment or dye?

Richard

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

speaking of which - it's funny, whenever i think of going for generic or
original, i think of measekite. i buy original (for this one printer at
least)

You taking writing lessons from him, too?

Richard

 

[TJ]

My God living at or near Syracuse causes you to use generic ink

No, being a thinking, reasonable person who has better things to spend
his money on than OEM ink causes me to examine aftermarket sources, just
as I do with all my expenses.

TJ

 

[TJ]

Pigment or dye?

Richard

Dye, of course. Blackberry juice is one of the most persistent dyes
known. Ask any berry picker.

Richard, I apologize for violating your request to not respond to
Measekite in this thread. I just couldn't resist. At least I avoided
flames. Flames just wash over that OEM asbestos suit he wears and makes
the rest of us look bad.

TJ

 

[trevor]

You got it. 195 acres in Central New York that my grandfather bought
with cash in 1948, passed down to my parents and from them to me and my
brother. If all goes as it should it will go from us to our nephew, as
neither of us has children.

Boy that sure sounds fine TJ.

As for the blackberries around here, consider this: Last August I went
out to the edge of our woods and picked a pint of wild blackberries,
which I entered in competition at the New York State Fair. They won
first prize. (and not in the ink division)

I will admit that those berries were provided by the berry OEM, and the
cultivated, fertilized, fussed-over aftermarket berries didn't stand a
chance.

Hoo-boy! I can't believe what they are selling in the supermarkets for
produce these days. They call them tomatoes?

TJ

-Trevor

 

[trevor]

Dye, of course. Blackberry juice is one of the most persistent dyes
known. Ask any berry picker.

Richard, I apologize for violating your request to not respond to
Measekite in this thread. I just couldn't resist. At least I avoided
flames. Flames just wash over that OEM asbestos suit he wears and makes
the rest of us look bad.

TJ

Yeah, I guess I'll stop teasing Measekite as well. I just don't see what
everybody gets so upset about. But then, I've never understood people
getting upset on usenet at all. Seems like life's short enough as it is.

-Trevor

 

[TJ]

Boy that sure sounds fine TJ.


Hoo-boy! I can't believe what they are selling in the supermarkets for
produce these days. They call them tomatoes?


-Trevor

Stop by and try some of mine this August. I'll give you
directions...Damn! Now you've got ME doing it! Advertising, that is.

Sorry, folks. Didn't mean to do that. Won't happen again.

TJ

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

TJ wrote:




Yeah, I guess I'll stop teasing Measekite as well. I just don't see what
everybody gets so upset about. But then, I've never understood people
getting upset on usenet at all. Seems like life's short enough as it is.

-Trevor

My original caution was an attempt to keep the thread on-topic instead
of degenerating into a long flame war, as has happened in the past.

Richard

 

[trevor]

Stop by and try some of mine this August. I'll give you

directions...Damn! Now you've got ME doing it! Advertising, that is.

I'd take the directions and file them away for next time I'm back East. It's
a bit of a drive from Arizona.

Sorry, folks. Didn't mean to do that. Won't happen again.

TJ

Know something? I really hadn't expected this group to be so....involved. It
seems that everybody reads every post. I generally just read what interests
me or threads I've responded to. Every group has it's threshhold, I'm just
caught off guard by how low this one is. Still, it's a great group. I can't
imagine how many people have been helped out here.

-Trevor

 

[trevor]

My original caution was an attempt to keep the thread on-topic instead
of degenerating into a long flame war, as has happened in the past.

Richard

Ah. Thence the constant references to pigments and dyes in blackberries.
Man, the acceptable use rules are tight in this group! I guess that's the
reason the group is so tight on topic. Well, I guess that's a good thing.

-Trevor

 

[trevor]

It is quite obvious you are a sly hound. Fox and Hounds Huh. Just
trying to get another venue for your printhead clogging generic ink. OK
answer this.

Who is the mfg/formulator of the ink you relabel and sell? And who else
sells the same relabeled ink? And will you disclose this on your label,
your packaging and on your website?

I can't believe it, but I'm told an answer is on it's way. I thought we
guarded that information pretty closely because we naturally don't want
competitors making deals with our suppliers. We use numerous different
sources, so it could be a long list. Now until that comes, let me point out
that we carry lots of OEM products. Generally we try to provide an OEM and
an aftermarket/remanufactured option.

Gaw Head Make my printerhead.

<g>

-Trevor

 

[TJ]

Know something? I really hadn't expected this group to be so....involved. It
seems that everybody reads every post. I generally just read what interests
me or threads I've responded to. Every group has it's threshhold, I'm just
caught off guard by how low this one is. Still, it's a great group. I can't
imagine how many people have been helped out here.

-Trevor

Mostly the folks here don't want this group to deteriorate into a bunch
of ads like so many others have. They watch for it and try to nip it in
the bud. I think they are anxious that the people they are trying to
help will see a bunch of ads and go away without giving us a chance. I
don't think it's you, personally - though in truth I can't speak for
anyone but myself.

As for Measekite, well, he's been putting forth his message in his own
inimitable way for quite a while, and he's annoyed a lot of people.
There are many who think giving him any credibility is just plain wrong.
Personally, I think he would have a lot to give the group, if he'd just
modify his tactics. I don't think it's his message so much that annoys
people, but the way he has delivered it.

TJ

 

[Ian]

Mostly the folks here don't want this group to deteriorate into a bunch
of ads like so many others have. They watch for it and try to nip it in
the bud. I think they are anxious that the people they are trying to
help will see a bunch of ads and go away without giving us a chance. I
don't think it's you, personally - though in truth I can't speak for
anyone but myself.

He is advertizing. He has several times. I personally would not buy
from his company, it sound very unprofesional. Asking unqualified
people to test his ink, don't they do inhouse testing. I only buy name
brand aftermarket ink, and would never deal with a company that tries
to hide thier ink. He's company obviously does not distribute for one
of the major brands.

As for Measekite, well, he's been putting forth his message in his own
inimitable way for quite a while, and he's annoyed a lot of people.
There are many who think giving him any credibility is just plain wrong.
Personally, I think he would have a lot to give the group, if he'd just
modify his tactics. I don't think it's his message so much that annoys
people, but the way he has delivered it.

I think measekite does more good than harm. When he posts a message
about the evils of aftermarket ink, he is overwhelmed by successful
people that refill. 10 to 1. Most people are intelligent enough to make
thier own decisions, and can disipher his slanted view.

 

[TJ]

He is advertizing. He has several times. I personally would not buy
from his company, it sound very unprofesional. Asking unqualified
people to test his ink, don't they do inhouse testing. I only buy name
brand aftermarket ink, and would never deal with a company that tries
to hide thier ink. He's company obviously does not distribute for one
of the major brands.

Your opinion is welcome, and I don't precisely disagree with it.
However, I'm not ready to write Trevor off completely just yet. He
sounds young to me, a bit wet behind the ears yet. I remember my early
years in marketing my products, and the mistakes I made. I learned from
them, changed, and am now a better businessman for it. He should have
the same chance. If he has any intelligence, Trevor will learn from the
reactions to his posts. I'm usually ready to give second chances to most
folks. Depends on what they've done. Rarely, however, do they get third
chances.

I think measekite does more good than harm. When he posts a message
about the evils of aftermarket ink, he is overwhelmed by successful
people that refill. 10 to 1. Most people are intelligent enough to make
thier own decisions, and can disipher his slanted view.

I would agree with that. He's still annoying, and I think that's his
goal. He doesn't seem so much to want folks to use OEM ink as he just
wants to annoy the refillers. I don't know what might have happened to
make him want to be like that, but it must have been miserable indeed.

TJ

 

[Ian]

I would agree with that. He's still annoying, and I think that's his
goal. He doesn't seem so much to want folks to use OEM ink as he just
wants to annoy the refillers. I don't know what might have happened to
make him want to be like that, but it must have been miserable indeed.

TJ

If he were to stop, the amount of threads would lower. Most of the post
after he makes his comments are positive, just check back over the last
few days and see for your self. He creates more business for refillers
than he destroys. Why do you think refillers and spammers always engage
him. They want him to test thier ink, and report back on this forum. We
all know what his report will be, but the refiller will create a nice
opportunity to spam even more. They are just using his stupidity to
thier advantage, and he falls for it everytime.

 

[measekite]

Mostly the folks here don't want this group to deteriorate into a
bunch of ads like so many others have. They watch for it and try to
nip it in the bud. I think they are anxious that the people they are
trying to help will see a bunch of ads and go away without giving us a
chance. I don't think it's you, personally - though in truth I can't
speak for anyone but myself.

As for Measekite, well, he's been putting forth his message in his own
inimitable way for quite a while, and he's annoyed a lot of people.

It is just too bad that they get annoyed because they do not agree with
me and also some of them are in the printer business. Maybe I do not
like the things they profess.

 

[measekite]

Your opinion is welcome, and I don't precisely disagree with it.
However, I'm not ready to write Trevor off completely just yet. He
sounds young to me, a bit wet behind the ears yet. I remember my early
years in marketing my products, and the mistakes I made. I learned
from them, changed, and am now a better businessman for it. He should
have the same chance. If he has any intelligence, Trevor will learn
from the reactions to his posts. I'm usually ready to give second
chances to most folks. Depends on what they've done. Rarely, however,
do they get third chances.

I would agree with that. He's still annoying, and I think that's his
goal. He doesn't seem so much to want folks to use OEM ink as he just
wants to annoy the refillers. I don't know what might have happened to
make him want to be like that, but it must have been miserable indeed.

Here is what I want so you do not have to guess:

1. I would like to see professional ink industry

2. I would like to see fully disclosed and labeled brand
(mfg/formulator) names of both bottled and prefilled ink. I do think
refilling is messy and inconvenient and have a right to that opinion.

3. I would to see all of these generic labels sold by a multitude of
online and brick and mortor outlets so people can test and report that
xyz brand sold at office depot, abconline.com and costco is either good
or bad

4. I would like to see professional independent testing labs properly
test these inks along side the oems.

5. I would like to see prefilled carts (generic) under $5.00 a cart and
OEM under $6.50. I may decide to pay the extra $1.50 or may not but I
can make an informed choice and not have to listen to a bunch of hackers
and hobbyists.

 

[Taliesyn]

Here is what I want so you do not have to guess:

1. I would like to see professional ink industry

Ha ha!!!! Good one - a regulated ink industry! Yeah, like the people in
the streets are crying for it on the steps of the White House.

2. I would like to see fully disclosed and labeled brand
(mfg/formulator) names of both bottled and prefilled ink.

Sorry, Measekite, Canon will never let you in on their secret and
disclose who the manufacturer of it is. Apparently you have little or no
knowledge of such things as "business secrets".

I do think refilling is messy and inconvenient and have a right to that opinion.

I agree, for you it is. Especially since you came to that easy
conclusion without ever doing it. Hmmmm... a genuine scientist - not.

I, on the other hand, refill without shedding more than a drop. And thus
I came to the rightful scientific conclusion that its not necessarily a
messy thing - or I wouldn't be doing it for almost 10 years.

3. I would to see all of these generic labels sold by a multitude of
online and brick and mortor outlets so people can test and report that
xyz brand sold at office depot, abconline.com and costco is either good
or bad

Ha-ha.... good one! Wouldn't we all love to have our products (speaking
figuratively) carried by every shop and online store in the world. Yes,
a whole wall of cartridges at Staples! Measekite, welcome to the real
business world of very limited shelf space. Not to mention that even
getting your product to carried by any particular store is sometimes
next to impossible. So how's it coming with private members bill to
force all business to carry every item produced in the world.

4. I would like to see professional independent testing labs properly
test these inks along side the oems.

Once again - for safety reasons - unless you ingest ink (that would be
another word for "swallowing it", Measekite), governments do not care
what you use at home. That is why foods and medicines are regulated.

5. I would like to see prefilled carts (generic) under $5.00 a cart and
OEM under $6.50. I may decide to pay the extra $1.50 or may not but I
can make an informed choice and not have to listen to a bunch of hackers
and hobbyists.

Get real! If OEM sells for $6.50 there's no need for generic at $5. I'd
be buying OEM without a quibble!!! However. This is not the case today.
Where OEM can cost up to $100 CAD in Canada, I can refill at home for
around $5 CAD dollars a set. THAT huge difference is the only reason I
refill. Drop OEM price by $60 CAD and I'll still refill. Right now the
difference in quality is minute; the difference in price is astronomical.

-Taliesyn (living in the real world)

 

[measekite]

snip

If OEM sells for $6.50 there's no need for generic at $5. I'd
be buying OEM without a quibble!!!

I really knew you though that OEM has the best qualtiy and is the best
and most convenient (norefilling). So you would rather pay $6.50 than
the dollar you are now claiming for the good stuff. Is mommy going to
increase your allowance for the rest of high school or are you going to
mow grass and shovel snow. You are pretty good with a shovel.

snip

 

[Ian]

Here is what I want so you do not have to guess:

1. I would like to see professional ink industry

There is it's call OEM.

2. I would like to see fully disclosed and labeled brand
(mfg/formulator) names of both bottled and prefilled ink. I do think
refilling is messy and inconvenient and have a right to that opinion.

I hope they never disclose...so suckers like you keep buying OEM, and
the OEM keeps inproving printer tech.

3. I would to see all of these generic labels sold by a multitude of
online and brick and mortor outlets so people can test and report that
xyz brand sold at office depot, abconline.com and costco is either good
or bad

They already do that.

4. I would like to see professional independent testing labs properly
test these inks along side the oems.

I though you said thay did properly test these ink...PCmag. I guess you
don't trust them anymore.

5. I would like to see prefilled carts (generic) under $5.00 a cart and
OEM under $6.50. I may decide to pay the extra $1.50 or may not but I
can make an informed choice and not have to listen to a bunch of hackers
and hobbyists.

Know one is forcing you to stay and listen. You can leave...but you
wont...you don't have a life away from this forum. 6000 post in 1 year.