"aero" is a bunch of hot air....

[Alias]

I'm terribly sorry. Spain is a poor country.
Saucy Lemon

It's so "poor", the Spanish were doing their Christmas shopping in New
York City this past year. Want to see a third world city in the USA?
Visit LA.

Alias

 

[Mike]

Huh? I used to live in Mexico and they don't hate Spain at all. The USA,
however, is a much different story.

Yeah, they like the USA much better than they like Spain. They are
risking dying in the desert to get here. I don't see *anyone* risking
their life to get to Spain.

Mike

 

[Alias]

Yeah, they like the USA much better than they like Spain. They are
risking dying in the desert to get here. I don't see *anyone* risking
their life to get to Spain.

Mike

They go to the USA for economic reasons, not because they like the idea
of living in the USA. If they had a good job in Mexico, they would never
leave.

The Spanish only need hop on a plane to go to the USA and are
automatically given a tourist visa, they same way you would be treated
if you came to Spain as a tourist. This past Christmas, because of the
dollar being so wimpy thanks to Bush spending money on illegal wars like
a drunken sailor, many Spanish went to New York City to do their
Christmas shopping. For Europeans, going to the USA is about the same as
you going to Mexico price wise.

Alias

 

[Saucy Lemon]

Your blatant prejudice towards another country is noted. Is it fun being a
bigot, Saucy? I bet you call French Fries, Freedom Fries, doncha?

Alias

LOL At least you have a sense of humour ... Spain must be good for more than
suntans. Although the Spaniards seem to shake at the knees a little too
fast. Did Osama fill you guys with dread that easily? 'Guess so.

I have no solid opinion on the Iraq war, except that I know now that
Bush/Cheney and the New American Century gang duped us into thinking Iraq
was about to send WMDs at Europe at any moment. Which was a complete
fabrication . But now the troops are there, there are other considerations
than whether the reason for the war is legitimate. A sudden withdrawl could
be really bad, who knows?

Saucy Lemon

 

[Alias]

Yeah, they like the USA much better than they like Spain. They are
risking dying in the desert to get here. I don't see *anyone* risking
their life to get to Spain.

Mike

Um, ever hear of Africa? It's a large continent to the south of Spain
where a lot of people are starving to death. Ever hear of Latin America?
We have our share of illegal immigrants but we treat them a helluva lot
better than the Americans. For example, if they can get a job, they can
get a work permit and residency.

Alias

 

[Alias]

LOL At least you have a sense of humour ... Spain must be good for more
than suntans.

Trust me, it is.

Although the Spaniards seem to shake at the knees a little
too fast. Did Osama fill you guys with dread that easily? 'Guess so.

Not at all. We just don't approve of sending young men and woman to Iraq.

I have no solid opinion on the Iraq war, except that I know now that
Bush/Cheney and the New American Century gang duped us into thinking
Iraq was about to send WMDs at Europe at any moment. Which was a
complete fabrication . But now the troops are there, there are other
considerations than whether the reason for the war is legitimate. A
sudden withdrawl could be really bad, who knows?

Saucy Lemon

The best present Osama ever got was the US trying to occupy an Arab
country. It was a great present for Hugo Chavez too, as it made
Venezuela super rich over night, along with other oil producers like
Iran. Bush's Iraq war plopped 50 Billion dollars into Chavez' lap. So,
in effect, Bush's war is funding the Iranian nuclear plan and Chavez'
Castro-like socialism. Leaving is the right thing to do. Apologizing to
the American people would also be nice but I am not holding my breath.

Alias

 

[Saucy Lemon]

Trust me, it is.


Not at all. We just don't approve of sending young men and woman to Iraq.

But the Spainish did send them. Then Osama sent one little crew to Spain and
the Spainsh all went running back to mama.

The best present Osama ever got was the US trying to occupy an Arab
country. It was a great present for Hugo Chavez too, as it made Venezuela
super rich over night, along with other oil producers like Iran. Bush's
Iraq war plopped 50 Billion dollars into Chavez' lap. So, in effect,
Bush's war is funding the Iranian nuclear plan and Chavez' Castro-like
socialism. Leaving is the right thing to do. Apologizing to the American
people would also be nice but I am not holding my breath.

Alias

While the reason for the war was not legitimate, the USA (and Spain) went in
anyway. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld duped many people into thinking Saddam
could missile Europe with WMDs. OK. It was a lie. But good intentioned
Americans went in and did their duty and it wasn't in vain. Iraq does have a
chance at democracy.

But up and leaving, like Spain did, smacks of a weak will and weak knees and
handed the terrorists a victory which they should not have received. Now
they have evidence they can influence with their terrorist bombings.

Better not to go in at all than go in then turn tail and run. No one needs
an 'ally' like that.

Saucy Lemon

 

[Mike]

While the reason for the war was not legitimate, the USA (and Spain) went in
anyway. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld duped many people into thinking Saddam
could missile Europe with WMDs. OK. It was a lie.

No, it was not a lie. It was bad intelligence. Congress saw the same
intelligence, and based on that, voted for the war. Remember that
point - Congress voted for the war based on the intelligence the world
had at the time.

That it turned out to be wrong is not at all the same thing as "it was a
lie".

Mike

 

[Mike]

Are you for real?

Yes, very.

No WMD. No threat to the USA.

But we didn't know that until we got in there and looked, did we? The
entire world thought Iraq had working, ready to go chemical weapons, and
a hidden nuclear program. That is a fact.

Hundreds of thousands of
innocent Iraqi civilians murdered. Thousands of Americans killed. The
country is about to totally self destruct and you think that's a good
thing?

Well, if the choice is fight them there or fight them here, I vote fight
them there.

If the President of the United States purposely lies to the
congress to con them into supporting a war, that is, my friend, ILLEGAL.

No one lied to anyone. It was just bad intelligence. Congress saw the
same info that the President saw, and based on that voted for the war.
They didn't vote for it just based on Bush's word. To do *that* would
be illegal. Hell, even Democrats voted for the war! Are you actually
naive enough to believe that Democrats would have taken Bush's word for
it!?!?

Mike

 

[Nina DiBoy]

We voted for a government that wasn't doing Bush's bidding and the new
government did what the people wanted them to do: get out of Iraq. The
terrorists had nothing to do with it, nor did the attack.
Amen!


You probably think the illegal war in Iraq is a good thing.

Alias

I think Mike needs to go to Iraq for a while.

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[Saucy Lemon]

The truth hurts, but they duped us. "Bad intelligence" had nothing to do
with it. The only bad intelligence was our own, letting ourselves think that
a war was necessary and that we shouldn't run out into the streets screaming
'Impreach!'. They pushed and pushed and pushed .. 'played us like a fiddle.
Duped.

Saucy

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Saucy Lemon wrote:

You live in Spain, Alias, you can't afford Vista.

Saucy Lemon

The bigotry of some of these people is really sad.

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[Mike]

The truth hurts, but they duped us.

Who "duped" us? The CIA?

"Bad intelligence" had nothing to do
with it.

It has everything to do with it.

Mike

 

[Saucy Lemon]

Bush wanted war with Iraq from the get-go. The "intelligence" was filtered
to effect that. He said it himself: "I am a war President". He was a war
President when he was first elected; and intent on war from the beginning of
his Presidency. They lied. They [the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld team] had the
media, Congress, the public and just about eveyone else duped on the WMD
issue. But didn't you have that feeling nagging doubt? I know I did. And it
was for good reason.

When GB was first elected in 2000, I turned to my brother and said: "There's
going to be a war, they elected Bush." And sure enough ..

I'm sorry you think Bush & Co. are straight shooters - they're not. And the
sooner you realize that the better for you, disappointing as it may be to be
disillusioned.

Saucy Lemon

 

[Alias]

But the Spainish did send them.

The former administration -- which got voted out -- sent them.

Then Osama sent one little crew to Spain

and the Spainsh all went running back to mama.

No, unlike the States, Spain proceeded to catch and jail every single
one. So far, the Great USA has caught ONE person involved in 9/11.

While the reason for the war was not legitimate, the USA (and Spain)
went in anyway. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld duped many people into
thinking Saddam could missile Europe with WMDs. OK. It was a lie. But
good intentioned Americans went in and did their duty and it wasn't in
vain. Iraq does have a chance at democracy.

Democracy has nothing to do with it. Columbus said he was spreading
Christianity. Instead, like Bush, he headed up a murdering army that
killed thousands. The difference is that Columbus went with his men,
unlike Bush who directs his war from the safety of the White House.

But up and leaving, like Spain did, smacks of a weak will and weak knees
and handed the terrorists a victory which they should not have received.
Now they have evidence they can influence with their terrorist bombings.

Pulease, the war in Iraq was the best thing that happened to Osama's
recruiting efforts. Leaving would remove Osama's ability to say "the USA
is occupying a Muslim, Arab nation. Admitting one made a mistake is more
commendable than "staying the course" of the mistake.

Better not to go in at all than go in then turn tail and run. No one
needs an 'ally' like that.

Saucy Lemon

It isn't a matter of who's "chicken" or "mas macho". We had no business
invading and occupying a country and staying there will only accomplish
one thing: your and my brother or son or sister or daughter may well
come home sooner than their tour is over -- in a box.

Alias

 

[Alias]

No, it was not a lie. It was bad intelligence. Congress saw the same
intelligence, and based on that, voted for the war. Remember that
point - Congress voted for the war based on the intelligence the world
had at the time.

That it turned out to be wrong is not at all the same thing as "it was a
lie".

Mike

Wow, what a lame attempt at spin. Calling lying to congress and lying to
the American people "bad intelligence" and therefore OK, is really
despicable. Maybe if one of your loved ones comes home in a box, you'll
see the importance of having "good" intelligence.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Bush wanted war with Iraq from the get-go. The "intelligence" was
filtered to effect that. He said it himself: "I am a war President". He
was a war President when he was first elected; and intent on war from
the beginning of his Presidency. They lied. They [the Bush Cheney
Rumsfeld team] had the media, Congress, the public and just about
eveyone else duped on the WMD issue. But didn't you have that feeling
nagging doubt? I know I did. And it was for good reason.

When GB was first elected in 2000, I turned to my brother and said:
"There's going to be a war, they elected Bush." And sure enough ..

I'm sorry you think Bush & Co. are straight shooters - they're not. And
the sooner you realize that the better for you, disappointing as it may
be to be disillusioned.

Saucy Lemon

I agree completely.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Saucy Lemon wrote:


The bigotry of some of these people is really sad.

Especially when it's based on a lie. Spain is not poor. In fact, the USA
is so cheap nowadays due to the wimpy dollar that many Spanish went to
New York City to do their Christmas shopping.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Yes, very.


But we didn't know that until we got in there and looked, did we? The
entire world thought Iraq had working, ready to go chemical weapons, and
a hidden nuclear program. That is a fact.

No, it isn't. I didn't believe it and neither did millions of other people.

Well, if the choice is fight them there or fight them here, I vote fight
them there.

That's the spin your illegal president wants you to believe. It's a lie.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Bush was behind 9/11. Did you
know that Bush's brother was in charge of the Twin Towers security?

No one lied to anyone. It was just bad intelligence.

There is no difference.

Congress saw the
same info that the President saw,

No, they didn't.

and based on that voted for the war.

Not everyone voted for the war and those that did thought the
intelligence wasn't a lie.

They didn't vote for it just based on Bush's word. To do *that* would
be illegal. Hell, even Democrats voted for the war! Are you actually
naive enough to believe that Democrats would have taken Bush's word for
it!?!?

Mike

Bush is the CIA's boss. Enough said.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I think Mike needs to go to Iraq for a while.

So do I! So should Cheney's daughters and all the Bush children. For
some reason none of them believe in the war like Mike does.

Alias