A SAD SAD REALIZATION

[Adam Albright]

Bikes are fun, I refuse to be the driver of anything with major power. I do
not trust myself. I'll get myself killed! I've ridden a dirt bike a few
times.

Can't you keep your stories straight? You just got done telling us you
paid $8,000 for a used replacement engine.

 

[Adam Albright]

Learn something new every day


The Grand Am. I was past two years and past 38,000 miles. Out of warranty.


Out of warranty. Past 38,000 miles. Remember, this was my warranty lesson


However, as I said, I opted for the used engine option. Lucky for me
someone rear-ended the same year (first year for this engine) and totaled
another Grand Am. I'm not sure if this engine was used elsewhere.

Well at least you established you're a lousy driver. ;-) That I do
believe.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Or had a bike been hit

Oh wait, a biker would have zipped out of there right

Well seeing how she almost exceeds the maximum load capacity of my bike..she
wouldn't make a good bike rider. =)


Also the way that girl drove her cars...she'd be a death waiting to happen
riding a bike. Some people just aren't meant for 2 wheels, something that
my instructions also used to say.

Bikes are fun, I refuse to be the driver of anything with major power. I
do
not trust myself. I'll get myself killed! I've ridden a dirt bike a few
times.

That's just the thing about bikes. Have to be able to control yourself and
have to know your limits. The people who can't do that and still ride are
the ones you eventually read about in the newspaper.

You have to ride a bike differently than you drive a car, and i don't mean
in terms of how you control the vehicle. I mean in terms of paying
attention to your surroundings, watching more what other people do, etc.

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Stephan
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[Stephan Rose]

Can't you keep your stories straight? You just got done telling us you
paid $8,000 for a used replacement engine.

And what does the price of his engine have to do with anything?

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[Justin]

This was MY point. I see NO good business reason for MS to do
that, but can think of a dozen reasons why they should not.

Trying to get back on topic. We're talking about why MS didn't allow for XP
drivers right?

So you want to see a solution where Vista utilizes the new user level
approach to drivers as well as the kernel level access? The best of both
worlds?

That can certainly be a "want" to express however you would have to further
dive into the new kernel security. What you are asking for breaks security.
I won't pretend to know everything about the kernels new security routine
however I do know what you are asking for will break it. As that's what
I've been told by MS.

I guess there are a couple ways to look at this.

From memory, from a MS techs mouth (MS Partners Vista launch event):

1. Since we took an unsecured path and developed an OS that uses kernel mode
drivers, are we to never strengthen kernel security? Are we to never move
forward?

2. MS can learn from past technology choices and move forward with a
solution that will offer more security even if "some" customers take longer
to migrate having to wait for compatibility. At some point in time we need
to cut the cord on past technology choices.

 

[Justin]

I don't assume anything because ass/u/me means that when you
assume things, it makes an ass out of u and me. So, if I CAN, I
investigate. But, e.g. when I bought a DVR last year,
investigation was fruitless and I wanted the thing. It came with
a 30-day money back guarantee so I was covered. And, that was a
rare instance of when I bought a 3-year extended warranty.

The purchase sound normal, why was your investigation fruitless?

My Charger is only 18 months old and has only 11K miles, so I may
be a bad test case,but I have had ZERO problems of any kind. In
fact, looking back over 20 years of company lease cars, I can
count even minor problems on the fingers of one hand (maybe with
the thumb!)


You lost me. Your HHR and Nitro are or are not good cars?

Very good. First time out and they're solid. So the whole "wait" advise,
for cars anyway, is bunk. Or like you said, no longer valid. I can't speak
for cars prior to my first professional job.

Evaluate, yes. But, a really BIG part of a valid evaluation is to
investigate over a reasonable time period. Two or 3 main ways to
do that are magazines, MS KB, and (maybe) NGs like this one.

What's reasonable? You didn't have a "very long" time period for the
Charger or Prowler. I had two weeks for the HHR and one week for the Nitro.
No other choice other then not to buy it.

At least with Vista you have 45 days.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Trying to get back on topic. We're talking about why MS didn't allow for
XP drivers right?

So you want to see a solution where Vista utilizes the new user level
approach to drivers as well as the kernel level access? The best of both
worlds?

That can certainly be a "want" to express however you would have to
further
dive into the new kernel security. What you are asking for breaks
security. I won't pretend to know everything about the kernels new
security routine
however I do know what you are asking for will break it. As that's what
I've been told by MS.

I guess there are a couple ways to look at this.

From memory, from a MS techs mouth (MS Partners Vista launch event):

1. Since we took an unsecured path and developed an OS that uses kernel
mode
drivers, are we to never strengthen kernel security? Are we to never move
forward?

2. MS can learn from past technology choices and move forward with a
solution that will offer more security even if "some" customers take
longer
to migrate having to wait for compatibility. At some point in time we
need to cut the cord on past technology choices.

What I wanna know is are the potential performance implication of user mode
drivers. I see their benefit...marginally. A crashing driver is bad no
matter where it crashes. Ok fine so it doesn't take the OS down but...it's
still a bad thing if it crashes as it means that some device is going to
stop functioning and/or an app that relies on that device may still crash.

And as far as the performance goes, normally user-level code does not have
direct access to the hardware. So for that reason, do user level drivers
now have a layer to go through to access the hardware or do they, as a user
process, have direct access?

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[Justin]

And what does the price of his engine have to do with anything?

Exactly! He's an idiot and he can't read or follow along to save his life.

1. My not ever riding a bike with power has absolutely nothing to do with a
past engine repair and my having ridden a dirt bike, again, has absolutely
nothing to do with a past engine repair.

2. The engine was $8,000 new from the dealer. As I mentioned twice already
I opted for the used option.

 

[Justin]

Well any company that sells warranties isn't doing it for the customers
good
or they'd go out of business. They are doing it to make money after all.

So ultimately, just like insurance companies, they have to take in more
money than they pay out.

True. It's all a gamble. They made money off me with the F-150. But had I
gotten it for the Grand Am I would be way ahead of the game

 

[Justin]

The carburetor from a 52 Buick fits in any vehicle. If it doesn't go in
smoothly, you may need an adapter. If they don't make an adapter for your
vehicle, you may need to build your own...

I see what you mean! So people should write their own drivers for Vista if
they don't have them already?

 

[Justin]

What I wanna know is are the potential performance implication of user
mode
drivers. I see their benefit...marginally. A crashing driver is bad no
matter where it crashes. Ok fine so it doesn't take the OS down but...it's
still a bad thing if it crashes as it means that some device is going to
stop functioning and/or an app that relies on that device may still crash.

Yes, that device will crash. If your radio goes on the fritz do you want
your car turning off? So to address if a machine going down with a device
or not is important, maybe we need to look at the server level as well.
More of a production business need then a consumer need?

I still think the average consumer would rather have a broken scanner then a
broken everything.

And as far as the performance goes, normally user-level code does not have
direct access to the hardware. So for that reason, do user level drivers
now have a layer to go through to access the hardware or do they, as a
user
process, have direct access?

My best guess would be some sort of layer.

 

[Adam Albright]

1. My not ever riding a bike with power has absolutely nothing to do with a
past engine repair and my having ridden a dirt bike, again, has absolutely
nothing to do with a past engine repair.

Wow, you've "ridden" a bike. <snort>

How do you harrass and oppress a bike?

 

[Stephan Rose]

Yes, that device will crash. If your radio goes on the fritz do you want
your car turning off? So to address if a machine going down with a device
or not is important, maybe we need to look at the server level as well.
More of a production business need then a consumer need?

Don't know but really...what do most servers use? An ethernet port, cpu and
a hard drive...those are really the only 3 things you need. Video card you
even only need to configure the stupid thing.

And usually, administrators don't run 19.95 walmart hardware in their
servers with drivers made by an unknown company in china.

Really the largest place I see driver issues even being present is the
desktop. I might be wrong but..that's just my view of the situation.

I still think the average consumer would rather have a broken scanner then
a broken everything.

Depends...I mean honestly...I can't even recall the last time I've had a
driver crash. I think the last time was maybe 3 or 4 years ago when I had a
bad memory module in the system. The only reason I was having *any*
problems at that point in time was the bad memory...

But that taken aside...

If someone's in the middle of playing a game and their video driver crashes,
they are just gonna be as pissed as if the OS had crashed =)

My best guess would be some sort of layer.

Mine too and that's not something I really like all that much. It's
something I'd normally consider a patch to a problem, not its solution.

Problem: Bad Driver.
Proper Solution: Fix Driver.

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[Adam Albright]

I see what you mean! So people should write their own drivers for Vista if
they don't have them already?

That leaves you out. You can't even write a corherent setence using
simple English.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Wow, you've "ridden" a bike. <snort>

How do you harrass and oppress a bike?

What's your riding experience?

What kind of a bike do you / did you ride or even own?

Simple questions, shouldn't be too difficult to answer if you can find
enough neurons to do the job.

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[Justin]

Don't know but really...what do most servers use? An ethernet port, cpu
and
a hard drive...those are really the only 3 things you need. Video card you
even only need to configure the stupid thing.

That's all it takes. Someone accidentally applies a NIC update to a server
and POOF! Down for the ten count. That's one of the main reasons machines
come with two different NIC manufactures (or chipsets). One driver update
won't down the function of the machine.

And usually, administrators don't run 19.95 walmart hardware in their
servers with drivers made by an unknown company in china.

I would hope not.

But that taken aside...

If someone's in the middle of playing a game and their video driver
crashes,
they are just gonna be as pissed as if the OS had crashed =)

True, but at least they'll be in windows jumping on IE to find a solution.

 

[Justin]

What's your riding experience?

What kind of a bike do you / did you ride or even own?

Simple questions, shouldn't be too difficult to answer if you can find
enough neurons to do the job.

At least he's learning to read the dictionary, which is where he got that
definition however he skipped over "to control". I believe I was in control
of the bike. At least I haven't crashed, not yet.

 

[thetruthhurts]

Throw all your software away. Buy a new PC and then I bet it will
work. Listen to the MVPs, trying to upgrade with M$ is a waste of
time. Clean install baby............

 

[Adam Albright]

At least he's learning to read the dictionary, which is where he got that
definition however he skipped over "to control". I believe I was in control
of the bike. At least I haven't crashed, not yet.

I'm learning how much testosterone gets spilled in newsgroups like
this because some dummies refuse to admit they don't really know what
they're talking about, but insist on jabbering on and on. Can you take
a hint?

 

[Adam Albright]

What's your riding experience?

What kind of a bike do you / did you ride or even own?

Simple questions, shouldn't be too difficult to answer if you can find
enough neurons to do the job.

Another voice from the peanut gallery. You kids are a riot.