Yet another reason to uninstall Java.

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And yes, this is on topic because Sun Microsystems' Java is freeware:

http://news.com.com/2100-1013_3-5159247.html?tag=nefd_top
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Soon even this will be obsolete:
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,50187,00.html

may be it will be first pay-ware, than free-ware and finally
force-ware... :-)


see also: http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031217-115051-5373r.htm
http://www.idchip.com/
or:
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci815441,00.html
An injectable ID chip, also called a biochip transponder, is an
electronic device that is inserted under the skin of an animal to
provide the animal with a unique identification number. Injectable ID
chips, which are less painful, faster to implement, and more
cost-effective than ear-tags, brands, or tattoos, have been used to
identify livestock animals such as pigs, sheep, cows, and horses for
over a decade.
 
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Soon even this will be obsolete:
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,50187,00.html

may be it will be first pay-ware, than free-ware and finally
force-ware... :-)


see also: http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031217-115051-5373r.htm
http://www.idchip.com/
or:
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci815441,00.html
An injectable ID chip, also called a biochip transponder, is an
electronic device that is inserted under the skin of an animal to
provide the animal with a unique identification number. Injectable ID
chips, which are less painful, faster to implement, and more
cost-effective than ear-tags, brands, or tattoos, have been used to
identify livestock animals such as pigs, sheep, cows, and horses for
over a decade.
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Lemmings!
 
John Corliss said:
Yet another reason to uninstall Java.
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This has nothing to do with Java "an sich".
Similar technologies exist on every possible computing platform (even on
your antique Commodore 64 or ZX Spectrum if you really wish).
 
And yes, this is on topic because Sun Microsystems' Java is freeware:

http://news.com.com/2100-1013_3-5159247.html?tag=nefd_top
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"Wouldn't it be interesting if you could use the SIM card in your phone
in your PC to identify yourself?" Schwartz asked. Many companies would
be interested in such a feature, because identifying a PC user would
make it easier to sell protected content such as digital music, he
argued.

"Anonymity tends to go hand in hand with mischief," he said.
"Authentication tends to eliminate this mischief."

"Interesting"? Down right scary i'd say. I would also say as well what
he is proposing is tatamount to corporate control of the internet along
with end user hardware. I'd not have that.

--
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft
and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled
labor.

Werner von Braun (1912 - 1977)
 
I find this thread . . . well I find, ALL the things/concepts/questions that
this thread brings up to be incredibly disturbing. I'll be damned if I buy
a PC with this sort of technology. I don't need downloadable music THAT
bad! And I sure as hell won't allow some stinkin' id chip into my body.
Those people are morons!

Maybe this whole computer thing was a bad idea in the first place. Could
the Unabomber have been right about technology all along? (Hey! I'm not
talking about what he chose to DO about technology!) But the future I can
see just over the horizon doesn't look all that great.
 
"Interesting"? Down right scary i'd say. I would also say as well what
he is proposing is tatamount to corporate control of the internet along
with end user hardware. I'd not have that.
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But I didn't see anything in the article that said it would be mandatory in
order to continue using Sun Java.

Let them do it. Like so many others before them (RealNetworks comes to mind
very easily) they are smelling the money trail. And someone will create
open source Java and we will be done with Sun. (I'm a poet and don't know
it! ;)
 
JanC said:
This has nothing to do with Java "an sich".
Similar technologies exist on every possible computing platform (even on
your antique Commodore 64 or ZX Spectrum if you really wish).
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From:

http://java.sun.com/products/javacard/datasheet.html

the following:

"A complementary technology to the Java 2 Platform, Java Card
technology makes it easy to integrate security tokens into a complete
Java software solution."

Sounds to me like it *does* have something to "do with Java 'an
sich'". 80)>
 
Wald said:
Here's a reason to uninstall VS.NET:

http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/palladium.html
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Thanks for the link, Wald. In particular, I noticed these from that site:

"To protect the rights-managed data on the page file, the digital
rights management operating system prohibits raw access to the page
file, or erases the data from the page file before allowing such
access. Alternatively, the digital rights management operating system
can encrypt the rights-managed data prior to writing it to the page file."

"The guaranteed loading of a digital lights management operating
system on a general-purpose personal computer ensures that downloaded
content can be protected from unauthorized access. Furthermore, the
generation of an identity for an operating system based on its loaded
components allows a content provider to knowledgeably determine
whether to trust content to the subscriber computer."

"A DRMOS must also protect the content once it is loaded into the
client computer's memory by a trusted application. In particular, the
DRMOS must prohibit the use of certain types of programs and refrain
from performing certain common operating system procedures when
content is in memory."

However, I am very much aware that my OEM version of Microsoft
Millennium Edition is linked to a personal identifier hidden in my
BIOS. The copy of the OS can't be installed on any other computer but
this one. Of course, that means that the system can also be identified
by that BIOS code, but there are so many other ways to track a
computer user's keystrokes that privacy, if it ever existed, no longer
is a reality. That's fine, I can adjust my behaviour accordingly.
However, when fu**ing Microsoft thinks they can take control of my
computer to further their own ends, that's when I dump their asses for
Linux and go on a campaign to promote that alternative OS.
 
Maybe this whole computer thing was a bad idea in the first place. Could
the Unabomber have been right about technology all along? (Hey! I'm not
talking about what he chose to DO about technology!) But the future I can
see just over the horizon doesn't look all that great.
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As long as we are free to choose, we need not fear technology.

Bob

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Paranoia will destroy ya! My spin is let them try. There will be
alternatives to those who don't wish to be "Authenticated".
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Just let them try to authenticate or assimilate me. Heh heh heh.

Bob

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The problem is that this will be a death by a thousand cuts. Each
incremental change won't be all THAT bad. And reasonable people will quite
reasonably think that the particular change in question is not a major
issue. Certainly not one to make a stand over or have your friends think
you are some sort of kook over.

This is how freedom of speech was lost on the modern college campus.
 
Hi John!

John said:
However, I am very much aware that my OEM version of Microsoft
Millennium Edition is linked to a personal identifier hidden in my
BIOS. The copy of the OS can't be installed on any other computer but
this one.
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Not likely.
Even if you only have a "Rescue Disk" and no real OS-CD, you can usually
install it on a computer with exactly the same specs as yours. These
rescue disks check the manufacturer and model entry in your BIOS and
will allow an install if they match. Some Rescue Disks don't care for
the model and install on any machine made by the same PC maker.
There are even pages on the net to make your own OS-CD out of your rescue
disk, because the original setup routines are on the CD and just need to
be copied to the right locations.

Before you ask, this procedure *is* legal in Germany, even if M$ claims
otherwise.
However, when fu**ing Microsoft thinks they can take control of my
computer to further their own ends, that's when I dump their asses for
Linux and go on a campaign to promote that alternative OS.
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Start campaigning
:-)

Greetings,

Joachim
 
The problem is that this will be a death by a thousand cuts. Each
incremental change won't be all THAT bad. And reasonable people will quite
reasonably think that the particular change in question is not a major
issue. Certainly not one to make a stand over or have your friends think
you are some sort of kook over.
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If only 15% of all computer users become unhappy with restrictions or
privacy matters, that will make a huge market for non-invasive hardware,
software, and services. Some smart entrepreneurs will always be there to
take advantage.
This is how freedom of speech was lost on the modern college campus.
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I don't agree with the premise. It's *impossible to keep college students
from yapping anyway. :)

Bob

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JunkMonkey said:
I find this thread . . . well I find, ALL the things/concepts/questions that
this thread brings up to be incredibly disturbing. I'll be damned if I buy
a PC with this sort of technology. I don't need downloadable music THAT
bad! And I sure as hell won't allow some stinkin' id chip into my body.
Those people are morons!

Maybe this whole computer thing was a bad idea in the first place. Could
the Unabomber have been right about technology all along? (Hey! I'm not
talking about what he chose to DO about technology!) But the future I can
see just over the horizon doesn't look all that great.
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Very true; it is bleak. But it's only real bleak if you have money
invested in. Consider MS. Their new, shitty OSs aren't selling.
It's one thing for a freeware or shareware author to lose a few
bucks trying to sell an application, but its another to have a company
with so much overhead in danger of losing their shorts (suits?).

dos-man
 
computer to further their own ends, that's when I dump their asses for
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John, every business in the world is in business to suit their own ends,
which is to make a profit. Yes, even you. :)

There are still 2 or 3 countries on Earth (that I can think of) that do not
allow private enterprise and profit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Remember, profits are your friend. Without profits, there would be no goods
and services. Yargh. No beer, fast cars, cable TV, or Internet. Life
wouldn't be worth living. May as well just shoot me now. :(

Bob

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