D
DL
Thats a beta
Dont you read before firing?
Dont you read before firing?
AJR said:
M
Maincat
OK I'll try and make this as clear as possible.
It's a freakin' Beta. Use at your own risk. If you really must try it,
then don't blame anyone but yourself if it goes tonto.
If that's not clear enough, try a new hobby.
It's a freakin' Beta. Use at your own risk. If you really must try it,
then don't blame anyone but yourself if it goes tonto.
If that's not clear enough, try a new hobby.
G
Gerry
Ken
Windows Live Messenger and Windows Live OneCare both have non-betas with
memory leaks!
Did you see what Mike M thought about Windows Live OneCare?
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Gerry
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Windows Live Messenger and Windows Live OneCare both have non-betas with
memory leaks!
Did you see what Mike M thought about Windows Live OneCare?
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Regards.
Gerry
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Stourport, England
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K
Ken Blake, MVP
Gerry, you are missing my point. I don't dispute that at all. I am
certainly not claiming that all (or even any) non-betas are perfect.
My point is that, as a general rule, the likelihood of a beta having a
serious problem is significantly greater that the likelihood of a
non-beta having a serious problem.
V
VanguardLH
Oh really? So if I get it from Microsoft's Windows Update site and am
not an official beta tester than the Windows Update site is an illegal
source? All it takes is to add one registry entry to get the WU site
to offer the SP3 update. I don't need to be an authorized beta
tester. I don't have to pay big bucks for an MSDN subscription. I
just go to the WU site to get it.
I've got SP3 installed but under a VM in VMWare Server. So far, which
is all of 2 days, it's been okay. No crashes but then no real need
for it, either. I don't need NAP (network access protection; see
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb545879.aspx) since this
is my home PC so I don't have to concern myself with running host that
are not fully updated and which present a security risk and want to
run those with restricted network permissions. I don't need to
concern myself with a roll-up of previous updates which are already
available from the WU site. And if I was having problems with
hotfixes that weren't available via the WU site then I would've gotten
those separately to fix those problems.
Most users asking for the availability of SP-3 haven't a clue why they
would need it. Most will never notice the claimed 10% performance
increase after applying SP-3. I don't even bother overclocking my
video card because a 10% faster result is nearly meaningless in
real-world use and at the cost of greater heat, increased instability,
and reduced time to failure. XP is already faster than Vista.
Another 10% faster is irrelevant. By the way, the way the 10%
increase was measure was to run through a script to run a series of
real-world applications to see how long it took for all of them to
complete. That doesn't mean YOU will be executing the same sequence
of actions so who knows if you'll see any of that 10% increase. SP-3
isn't going to speed up your games, and your word processor is sitting
so extremely idle waiting between your keystrokes that 10% faster is
meaningless. Remember that delivering a service pack that delivers a
"measurable" speed boost simply means that, thank God, it didn't make
it SLOWER!
Yeah, installing SP-3 has been interesting to see that it didn't
destabilize my host but it has been uninteresting in its effect (as
there are no real changes for users to experience; i.e., no ooh-aah
reactions). Remember that I'm testing it in a VM. That is for a
clean install of the OS, not with all the applications that gets
installed later to make actual use of the OS but garbage up the
pristine OS.
For the question "When will SP-3 become available?", the better
response is "Detail why to you need it?" I can get it but don't have
a good reason to deploy it into my working OS until it gets released.
G
Gerry
Sorry Ken I was moving on from your original point which is patently
true.
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Gerry
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true.
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Regards.
Gerry
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Stourport, England
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K
Ken Blake, MVP
OK. Thanks, Gerry. Glad to hear we agree.
T
Tip
VanguardLH said:
So if I overclock my video card, memory/cpu and get SP-3 I'll get a 30%
increase!!
Woot
Not that I have tried the beta or will, but when it comes official I may
have to tweak this old box out.
V
VanguardLH
Tip said:
Right up to when the hardware dies.
S
Sam Hobbs
What happens if you encounter a problem? Do you have a way to report the
problem and get a fix?
problem and get a fix?
T
Tom [Pepper] Willett
We'll uninstall it and wait for the next version.
: What happens if you encounter a problem? Do you have a way to report the
: problem and get a fix?
:
:
: : > It is also available from MSDN and Tech-Net for subscribers, quite
legal.
: >
: > I'm testing on a computer as we speak.
: >
: >
: > : > : : > : > Hi:
: > : >
: > : > Just wondering if any of you had downloaded and installed the new
: > SP3.
: > I
: > : > have heard so much good news about it that I would like to hear some
: > first
: > : > hand comments.
: > : >
: > : > Thanks
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: > : It is STILL only available to the OFFICIAL beta testers. No-one here
: > should
: > : be discussing it, as I believe that the beta testers agree to an NDA
: > before
: > : becoming accepted. they also have their own private newsgroups for
: > : discussing this. Anyone who is NOT an official beta tester has either
: > got
: > it
: > : "illegally" or from a very dubious source.
:
:
:
: What happens if you encounter a problem? Do you have a way to report the
: problem and get a fix?
:
:
: : > It is also available from MSDN and Tech-Net for subscribers, quite
legal.
: >
: > I'm testing on a computer as we speak.
: >
: >
: > : > : : > : > Hi:
: > : >
: > : > Just wondering if any of you had downloaded and installed the new
: > SP3.
: > I
: > : > have heard so much good news about it that I would like to hear some
: > first
: > : > hand comments.
: > : >
: > : > Thanks
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: > : It is STILL only available to the OFFICIAL beta testers. No-one here
: > should
: > : be discussing it, as I believe that the beta testers agree to an NDA
: > before
: > : becoming accepted. they also have their own private newsgroups for
: > : discussing this. Anyone who is NOT an official beta tester has either
: > got
: > it
: > : "illegally" or from a very dubious source.
:
:
: