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Brian Dickens
Jay said:
Oh shut up! Not that "bad drivers"-stuff again... that's way in the past!
Nowadays, there's absolutely nothing wrong with ATi's drivers.
=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands
Oh shut up! Not that "bad drivers"-stuff again... that's way in the past!
Nowadays, there's absolutely nothing wrong with ATi's drivers.
=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands
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ec
Brian Dickens said:
Uh, NVIDIA nonsense? PS 3.0 is MICROSOFT's specification retard.
ATI hasn't been able to produce a decent OGL driver in 5 years. There are no
magical performance boosts "around the corner".
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David Casey
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Aki Peltola
ec said:
Let's see how many OGL games do I have installed right now...
Oh dear! 16 Direct3D versus 0 OpenGL games! I think I'm
going to buy Geforce, then because OpenGL-games seem
to be so popular novadays
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Brian Dickens
ec said:
First of all, throwing around insults like "moron" and "retard" doesn't help
you at all. It only shows us all that you're a nVidia fanboy intent on
spitting on all things even remotely ATi-related... a fanboy who doesn't
know that a conversation is also possible without insults. What are you
doing in an ATi newsgroup anyway?
Second... yes, I know it's not an nVidia invention. But nVidia is almost
screaming from the roofs that it's amazing, etc etc -- while in reality PS
2.0b can do the same things.
You'd better read up on ATi's new OpenGL driver. It *is* going to offer a
performance boost. Further more, the current OpenGL driver isn't bad at all.
If it were, why can many people run Doom3 at high resolution with max FSAA
and AA while still maintaining high framerates?
=- Brian Dickens
(who is perfectly happy with his X800 Pro)
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Aki Peltola
Brian Dickens said:
As I see it, it's quite difficult to make games based on
engine of such a game that isn't even released yet
Let's wait for Valve's next announcement of "source
leak" and again postponed release date, shall we...
If HL isn't complete yet, why can't they just say so.
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MM
Bill Crocker said:
yes - you would be able to tell the difference - I changed my 9800 pro 128
to an X800 pro 256 - I can run D3 at 1280 etc with everything switched on no
probs - even at 800 x 600 before it got a little choppy in places.
If you can pick one up 2nd hand from someone who follows the crowd and is
'upgrading' to a 6800 instead then you'll do fine - paid 1/2 price for mine
recently
dosent matter what gen of graphics card you are on about - some benchmark
better in particular games - why buy a card that does D3 real well if you'll
never play it again after cos its not that good
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Les
ec said:
His is an ASUS AX800XT-PE sold to him by our local indy retailer. They had a
few more then 100 cards you trolling little shit.
PS I own a 6800 GT, but I ain't no dumbass ****wit fanboi like you seem to
be. My last card was ATI
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Les
ec said:
"You're as much use as a cock-flavoured lollypop."
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ec
Les said:
"dumbass ****wit fanboi"?
WOAAAH, we've got a smart one here everyone! How do you like living in a
doublewide, trailor-trash?
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Les
ec said:
Its simply divine.
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Remo-Shiva
ec said:
That's not what I heard, ok i never really read much into what a company
says they are working on, but as ATI have now released one of the top 2
cards on the market (the other being the 6800, obviously) they will be
working very hard at getting the openGL right for a next release of drivers,
and as that is software based and has not much to do with the card, when
they do bring out this new driver the x800 will be the better card, and as
for PS3 on the 6800, my friend has one of these cards, the best one I think
its the ultra, and I have the x800 XT PE and we both took a screenshot in
Far Cry with all our settings maxed out, he had his ps3 turned on, and there
was absolutely no difference in quality, we also recorded 2 short movie
clips in far cry and again, there was nothing different, except his 6800
sometimes suffered on fps so my conclusion, once ATI get the openGL driver
sorted, my card will be the best.
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Bean
Dont remember where but I read this comment somewhere. It sounded pretty
good to me, but since I can't copy and paste and I don't remember where it
was from (maybe rage3d), I'll post it in my own words..
Maybe ATI didn't work on their opengl drivers becuase opengl is pretty
much dead other than older quake+ engine games and the new doom3 engine.
From what I read there will be rtcw2 and maybe one more. I forgot the name
of the second game. Comparing opengl games to the amount of d3d games shows
that opengl is pretty much gone. Plus, now that opengl2.0 is out it seems to
be half of what it should have been. By the time dxnext comes out I think
carmack himself will finally switch over to d3d engines.
The only reason ATI is improving their opengl drivers is for doom3 and
the upcoming rtcw2 games. I don't know where people got the idea of a total
rewrite of the opengl drivers. The last I heard is that they are only
improving the drivers over time. ATI has said that they have been improving
the drivers for some time now too. I heard the improvement of drivers info
from an actual press release.
Plus the x800xt's arent vaporware, for I have one in my system. I've had
it since June15th. One of the first batch that went out. The first batch was
300 cards from compusa. Overtime they have shipped out more batches of the
similar size mainly from online stores. ATI wasnt shipping them to retailers
first becuase they had a contract with the OEMS. So ATI had to send just
about all of their x800xt's to Dell and other oems. The left over cards
where shipped out as fast as possible to ATI partners, such as Compusa. Asus
and saphire cards are easier to find becuase they didnt have any deal with
the oems. The card problems werent due to bad yields, but from lack of DDR3
memory for any new generation cards. x800xt and 6800ultra cards are very
hard to find, since they use the same memory from samsung. Nvidia cards are
becoming easier to find becuase nvidia supposedly stoped putting ddr3
samsung chips on their ultras. If you have taken any economics classes you
would understand the basics of SUPPLY AND DEMAND. It isnt that hard to
understand. ATI has 2 major markets demanding cards from them; OEM and
Retail. Nvidia only has Retail. Put in the fact that samsung has a lack of
fast ddr3 memory for either company and the possible fact that nvidia is
using lower quality ram to push out their ultra cards and you will see that
ATI will have less cards out in retail.
Pros of ATI this generation:
Better for D3D (95% of the market of games)
PS2.0b is capable of the same feat as PS 3.0
Less power consumption.
3DC normal map compression.
Pros of Nvidia:
A tad cheaper.
PS 3.0 - for future games.
Better for Opengl (5% of the market of games)
Hmmm..... I buy from what i can see and to me. ATI seems to have won this
round. The only thing Nvidia has done this round is almost catch up in d3d
performance and put out a more technologically advanced card and not than
ATI. Nvidia is way behind in PS2.0 performance and can barely beat ATI PS2.0
with PS3.0. ATI PS2.0b is equal or better than Nivida cards when in use. ATI
is a very proficient ps2.0 / 2.0b card. Nvidia is a subpare ps2.0 card with
ps3.0.
Im no ATI fanboy. Ive had my share of Rendition/3dfx/Nvidia and ATI cards.
This round ATI has won for me. If Nvidia was better than I would have bought
their card this time. But I play more than Doom3, so ATI wins.
Oh and to go back on topic: going from a 9600XT to a x800 pro or X800XT or
even to a 6800gt or 6800ultra. You will be very impressed for the money you
spent. There is a big jump in performance if you use AA and AF at high
resolutions. What matters is if you want to play only doom3 and old opengl
games at very fast framerates and D3D games at Fast Framerates, or do you
want to play the majority of games (D3D) really fast framerates and doom3 at
fast framerates.
Out of a 1-10 (10 good)
Once more: D3D is like 95% of all games. Opengl is like 5% of all games.
ATI - D3D - 10
ATI - OPENGL - 7
Nvidia - D3D - 7
Nvidia - OPENGL - 10
Bean
good to me, but since I can't copy and paste and I don't remember where it
was from (maybe rage3d), I'll post it in my own words..
Maybe ATI didn't work on their opengl drivers becuase opengl is pretty
much dead other than older quake+ engine games and the new doom3 engine.
From what I read there will be rtcw2 and maybe one more. I forgot the name
of the second game. Comparing opengl games to the amount of d3d games shows
that opengl is pretty much gone. Plus, now that opengl2.0 is out it seems to
be half of what it should have been. By the time dxnext comes out I think
carmack himself will finally switch over to d3d engines.
The only reason ATI is improving their opengl drivers is for doom3 and
the upcoming rtcw2 games. I don't know where people got the idea of a total
rewrite of the opengl drivers. The last I heard is that they are only
improving the drivers over time. ATI has said that they have been improving
the drivers for some time now too. I heard the improvement of drivers info
from an actual press release.
Plus the x800xt's arent vaporware, for I have one in my system. I've had
it since June15th. One of the first batch that went out. The first batch was
300 cards from compusa. Overtime they have shipped out more batches of the
similar size mainly from online stores. ATI wasnt shipping them to retailers
first becuase they had a contract with the OEMS. So ATI had to send just
about all of their x800xt's to Dell and other oems. The left over cards
where shipped out as fast as possible to ATI partners, such as Compusa. Asus
and saphire cards are easier to find becuase they didnt have any deal with
the oems. The card problems werent due to bad yields, but from lack of DDR3
memory for any new generation cards. x800xt and 6800ultra cards are very
hard to find, since they use the same memory from samsung. Nvidia cards are
becoming easier to find becuase nvidia supposedly stoped putting ddr3
samsung chips on their ultras. If you have taken any economics classes you
would understand the basics of SUPPLY AND DEMAND. It isnt that hard to
understand. ATI has 2 major markets demanding cards from them; OEM and
Retail. Nvidia only has Retail. Put in the fact that samsung has a lack of
fast ddr3 memory for either company and the possible fact that nvidia is
using lower quality ram to push out their ultra cards and you will see that
ATI will have less cards out in retail.
Pros of ATI this generation:
Better for D3D (95% of the market of games)
PS2.0b is capable of the same feat as PS 3.0
Less power consumption.
3DC normal map compression.
Pros of Nvidia:
A tad cheaper.
PS 3.0 - for future games.
Better for Opengl (5% of the market of games)
Hmmm..... I buy from what i can see and to me. ATI seems to have won this
round. The only thing Nvidia has done this round is almost catch up in d3d
performance and put out a more technologically advanced card and not than
ATI. Nvidia is way behind in PS2.0 performance and can barely beat ATI PS2.0
with PS3.0. ATI PS2.0b is equal or better than Nivida cards when in use. ATI
is a very proficient ps2.0 / 2.0b card. Nvidia is a subpare ps2.0 card with
ps3.0.
Im no ATI fanboy. Ive had my share of Rendition/3dfx/Nvidia and ATI cards.
This round ATI has won for me. If Nvidia was better than I would have bought
their card this time. But I play more than Doom3, so ATI wins.
Oh and to go back on topic: going from a 9600XT to a x800 pro or X800XT or
even to a 6800gt or 6800ultra. You will be very impressed for the money you
spent. There is a big jump in performance if you use AA and AF at high
resolutions. What matters is if you want to play only doom3 and old opengl
games at very fast framerates and D3D games at Fast Framerates, or do you
want to play the majority of games (D3D) really fast framerates and doom3 at
fast framerates.
Out of a 1-10 (10 good)
Once more: D3D is like 95% of all games. Opengl is like 5% of all games.
ATI - D3D - 10
ATI - OPENGL - 7
Nvidia - D3D - 7
Nvidia - OPENGL - 10
Bean
J
J. Clarke
Remo-Shiva said:
Why would they all of a sudden after all this time decide to make OpenGL a
priority?
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Aki Peltola
J. Clarke said:
Because otherwise they would look bad in the eyes
of all Doom3-fans?-)
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dave
otherwise they would look bad in the eyes
From what I've read on the net the number of Doom 3 fans is quite small
From what I've read on the net the number of Doom 3 fans is quite small
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dave
Question is, if you were a game developer and had seen the CryEngine and the
Doom3 engine, which would you use for your game ?
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Andrew
Neither, HL2 looks the best all round proposition IMO.