WOW a video showing all the original VISTA improvments!

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John said:
... I have studied the
history of computer development and praise should go to the people who do
the developments.

Then praise Xerox R&D. Also if you actually studied the development of
computers you may want to add that remedial reading comprehension class
to your schedule.
Frank
 
Screenshotting on my Vista machine whilst Glass is enabled doesn't work I'm
afraid - however if you look on my VistaBase Gallery (links below), you can
see the settings and the colour changes. Although it's a few builds back, it
still remains in the latest builds and will continue to be there until RTM.

First person to try this by the way, just written it now :o)
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=1
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=2

Hope this helps you understand it a bit better! :o)

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that up!

--: Original message follows :--
John Jay Smith said:
Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with
different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color
controls would be interesting. THANKS!

you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..

thanks!


Zack Whittaker said:
Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you
want.

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that up!

--: Original message follows :--
John Jay Smith said:
Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display
adaptor,
and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it
slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire
read, or luna blue.. etc.


You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control
Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour.
--
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Andre
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Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.

I would like a way to change it into something more cheery...
if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it
would be great.
After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of
course.

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark
hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy
white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the
Gadgets and Widgets.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in
earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can
see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now.
John Jay Smith wrote:

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA!
They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean
imagining
what new features they would add!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444
heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for
saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like
$175 million!
Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be
having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any
wintel setup.
Frank
 
I must make a correction, its actually, Personalization > Visual Appearance.
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John Jay Smith said:
Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with
different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color
controls would be interesting. THANKS!

you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..

thanks!


Zack Whittaker said:
Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you
want.

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
John Jay Smith said:
Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display
adaptor,
and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it
slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire
read, or luna blue.. etc.


You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control
Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.

I would like a way to change it into something more cheery...
if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it
would be great.
After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of
course.

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark
hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy
white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the
Gadgets and Widgets.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in
earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can
see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now.
John Jay Smith wrote:

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA!
They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean
imagining
what new features they would add!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444
heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for
saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like
$175 million!
Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be
having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any
wintel setup.
Frank
 
Zack thanks for the info....

I believe that the intensity can be greater making it more vibrant color,
right?
This is nice then! I had no way of knowing since as I said my test computer
cant
handle glass... perhaps I should get a new card for Vista Beta 2...

You know of any cheap ones I can get for my test computer that supports 2
monitors?

PS. I am looking forward to teaming up with some people here that have done
incredible work on their sites.. mine is almost ready. I have some ideas I
will send you soon...



Zack Whittaker said:
Screenshotting on my Vista machine whilst Glass is enabled doesn't work
I'm afraid - however if you look on my VistaBase Gallery (links below),
you can see the settings and the colour changes. Although it's a few
builds back, it still remains in the latest builds and will continue to be
there until RTM.

First person to try this by the way, just written it now :o)
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=1
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=2

Hope this helps you understand it a bit better! :o)

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
John Jay Smith said:
Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with
different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color
controls would be interesting. THANKS!

you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..

thanks!


Zack Whittaker said:
Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you
want.

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we
cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display
adaptor,
and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it
slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire
read, or luna blue.. etc.


You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open
Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.

I would like a way to change it into something more cheery...
if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it
would be great.
After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of
course.

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark
hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy
white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the
Gadgets and Widgets.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in
earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can
see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now.
John Jay Smith wrote:

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA!
They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean
imagining
what new features they would add!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444
heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for
saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like
$175 million!
Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be
having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any
wintel setup.
Frank
 
I believe that the intensity can be greater making it more vibrant color,
Yep of course :o)
You know of any cheap ones I can get for my test computer that supports 2
monitors?
I'm sure Kevin will throw his two penny worth in here, but seeing as I've
blocked him, I dont care! I've got a GeForce 6200 - works really well :o)
Very cheap as well, only £20 so that's probably about $35 I think?

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
John Jay Smith said:
Zack thanks for the info....

I believe that the intensity can be greater making it more vibrant color,
right?
This is nice then! I had no way of knowing since as I said my test
computer cant
handle glass... perhaps I should get a new card for Vista Beta 2...

You know of any cheap ones I can get for my test computer that supports 2
monitors?

PS. I am looking forward to teaming up with some people here that have
done incredible work on their sites.. mine is almost ready. I have some
ideas I will send you soon...



Zack Whittaker said:
Screenshotting on my Vista machine whilst Glass is enabled doesn't work
I'm afraid - however if you look on my VistaBase Gallery (links below),
you can see the settings and the colour changes. Although it's a few
builds back, it still remains in the latest builds and will continue to
be there until RTM.

First person to try this by the way, just written it now :o)
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=1
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=2

Hope this helps you understand it a bit better! :o)

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
John Jay Smith said:
Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with
different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color
controls would be interesting. THANKS!

you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..

thanks!


Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour
you want.

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we
cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display
adaptor,
and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think
it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like
fire read, or luna blue.. etc.


You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open
Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.

I would like a way to change it into something more cheery...
if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it
would be great.
After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of
course.

message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark
hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of
creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably
be the Gadgets and Widgets.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in
earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can
see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now.
John Jay Smith wrote:

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA!
They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean
imagining
what new features they would add!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444
heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for
saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like
$175 million!
Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still
be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any
wintel setup.
Frank
 
Inline:


John Jay Smith wrote:
| Look I am a windows user. Indeed all these companies borrow from each
| other ideas.


And they listen to customer requests and results of usability studies.


| This is not new, and its not bad as long as it doesn't infringe any
| patents. Linux is borrowing heavily on other platforms, mainly windows.


"Borrowed" is an understatement in the case of KDE/Gnome


| (I am talking about what programs exist and their interfaces not the
| underlying structure that is based on unix).
|
| But you HAVE to learn your history. Apple computers are always ahead of
| their time


Bull. Blanket statement and not the case. Apple is sorta behind the times
now. Heck, they are basing their platform on a sixties OS. And the UNIX
underpinning is just a dusty carpet that will pulled out from under them as
the .NET based Microsoft's PowerShell will bring them low and blow your
mind.


| and they are doing innovative work. MS does not try too many new things
| that have not been
| proven, its strategy as a company is to work on proved ground and cash in
| on ideas that work, or people already like. I am not saying that this is
| bad... this is how they expanded so much. The pioneers do not always get
| the best of their findings.


The Vista GUI is DirectX .. that's working near the front edge of the GUI
curve. Stardock is going to have a field day. WinKey plus tab is only a
small hint .. but a hint you should get.


| However you cannot ignore the contribution of people who generate the
| ideas. You must learn some computer history. The mouse-desktop-icon
| interface was an apple
| creation.


No. It wasn't. Xerox had that before Apple did a copy-cat on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI


|Also apples proved to the world that a personal computer that is
| economic yet powerful is feasible. They were the ones that went beyond
| everyone elses belief that computers
| must cost millions and only a few could have access to them, and to buy
| one was out of the question.


And that's not true neither. There were small computers created for the
hobbiest etc. well before the Apple. Micro-soft used to program for the
Altaire etc. And there were offerings from Tandy, Commodore etc. etc.
Friends of mine were word processing away well before the PC and without the
Apple:
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=98


|
|
|
|
| || http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp
||
|| AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X.
|| Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too.
|| The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS
|| development to the public.
||
||
||
|| "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
|| ||| Most of the concepts <chop chop>
 
Stephen said:
Inline:


John Jay Smith wrote:
| Look I am a windows user. Indeed all these companies borrow from each
| other ideas.


And they listen to customer requests and results of usability studies.


| This is not new, and its not bad as long as it doesn't infringe any
| patents. Linux is borrowing heavily on other platforms, mainly windows.


"Borrowed" is an understatement in the case of KDE/Gnome


| (I am talking about what programs exist and their interfaces not the
| underlying structure that is based on unix).
|
| But you HAVE to learn your history. Apple computers are always ahead of
| their time


Bull. Blanket statement and not the case. Apple is sorta behind the times
now. Heck, they are basing their platform on a sixties OS. And the UNIX
underpinning is just a dusty carpet that will pulled out from under them as
the .NET based Microsoft's PowerShell will bring them low and blow your
mind.


| and they are doing innovative work. MS does not try too many new things
| that have not been
| proven, its strategy as a company is to work on proved ground and cash in
| on ideas that work, or people already like. I am not saying that this is
| bad... this is how they expanded so much. The pioneers do not always get
| the best of their findings.


The Vista GUI is DirectX .. that's working near the front edge of the GUI
curve. Stardock is going to have a field day. WinKey plus tab is only a
small hint .. but a hint you should get.


| However you cannot ignore the contribution of people who generate the
| ideas. You must learn some computer history. The mouse-desktop-icon
| interface was an apple
| creation.


No. It wasn't. Xerox had that before Apple did a copy-cat on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI


|Also apples proved to the world that a personal computer that is
| economic yet powerful is feasible. They were the ones that went beyond
| everyone elses belief that computers
| must cost millions and only a few could have access to them, and to buy
| one was out of the question.


And that's not true neither. There were small computers created for the
hobbiest etc. well before the Apple. Micro-soft used to program for the
Altaire etc. And there were offerings from Tandy, Commodore etc. etc.
Friends of mine were word processing away well before the PC and without the
Apple:
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=98


|
|
|
|
| || http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp
||
|| AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X.
|| Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too.
|| The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS
|| development to the public.
||
||
||
|| "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
|| ||| Most of the concepts <chop chop>

Ouch! The truth hurts.
THX
Frank
 
Altair.. yes....

the total truth is that the computers were invented by the greeks 2000 years
ago.
And they did have a 3d gui.. in fact the whole machine was 3d :-)
 
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