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Triffid
Greg said:
ISO 9660 specifies a maximum path depth of 8, slipstreamed SP2 is 9
directories deep.
Made with burning software that ignores the standard, either by default
or at the user's request.
ISO 9660 specifies a maximum path depth of 8, slipstreamed SP2 is 9
directories deep.
Made with burning software that ignores the standard, either by default
or at the user's request.
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Greg Hennessy
That would be
I386\ASMS\52\policy\msft\windows\networking\dxmrtp
So ? it works, it installs.
Therefore it doesnt *break* the installation CD.
Again big deal, Nero did what it was supposed to do.
I dont hear anyone bitching about overburning and standards compliance with
iso9660/orange book.
It works, it can be read, booted and installed successfully.
And for the truly clueless the likes of autostreamer turns an easy task
into a no brainer.
greg
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Reinstall again.... WITHOUT your network cable plugged in.
I have seen more than once, XP machines getting whacked by malicious
code before the install was complete. Download SP2 before you install
and burn it to a cd.. Install it BEFORE you go online, along with your
AV software. Alternatively, pick up a consumer grade hardware
firewall... even an el-cheapo netgear/linksys router with packet
filtering will do the trick and give you some protection during the
install & patching process.
G'luck
-- Hey.. I almost got thru an entire reply without saying "install
Linux" <grin>
I have seen more than once, XP machines getting whacked by malicious
code before the install was complete. Download SP2 before you install
and burn it to a cd.. Install it BEFORE you go online, along with your
AV software. Alternatively, pick up a consumer grade hardware
firewall... even an el-cheapo netgear/linksys router with packet
filtering will do the trick and give you some protection during the
install & patching process.
G'luck
-- Hey.. I almost got thru an entire reply without saying "install
Linux" <grin>
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)
Bearing in mind that other users do NOT have a working slipstreamed
installation disk pop out of thier hand automatically. What thy do
have - and ALL they have - is the pre-SP2 installation CD that will
not do a repair install and may not run RC either.
My challenge - which you ducked - stands: If it's so "trivial" to make
your own slipstreamed installation CDR, then please do tell us how.
"He's such a character!"
' Yeah - CHAR(0) '
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Greg Hennessy
Aww bless, a descent into fallacy,
Note what I originally said
"For anyone who owns a CD burner and the original media, creating a new
slipstreamed sp2 install CD is trivial. "
We are not discussing 'other users'. We are clearly talking about users
with a CD burner and the original media.
The act of owning a CD burner usually implies a certain level of 'clue'
w.r.t the creation of CDs from scratch.
Said level of clue would also imply that they have the wherewithal to
utilise www.google.com with the expression
winxp sp2 slipstream
Yielding a search URL of
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=winxp+sp2+slipstream
where at least the 1st dozen or so links returned go into explicit detail
of how to build a hand rolled SP2 installation CD using the original media
and a CD burner. (which was the topic being discussed)
Just for the record I shall give a Hat Tip to Paul Thorrott of
www.winsupersite.com for a clearly documented and easy to follow method
which I've utilised previously.
Now I know that may be a little too advanced for an (MVP Win9x).
Again you wilfully ignore what I wrote previously.
"For anyone who owns a CD burner and the original media, creating a new
slipstreamed sp2 install CD is trivial. "
Note the part of the sentence before the comma.
I suggest you read what I wrote in
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
In particular pay close attention to the last sentence.
Please continue with this asinine attempt at a pissing contest, its most
amusing watching someone with a bladder the size of a walnut in action.
greg
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)
OK so far.
False. Most new PCs ship with CD writers, and most users end up using
XP's awful built-in CD writing "support".
In 1995 or so, when CD writers were slow, costly, and prone to kicking
coasters, you'd be right. But they are standard equipment today.
No, I'm focusing on your asinine claim that it is "trivial" to
generate a slipstreamed OS CD. I see it's not so trivial that you can
explain exactly how to do it here, without pointing to web pages ar
mumbling about Google. The reason being that what you have to know to
do this, is not trivial enough to write up in one paragraph.
I do. You're still wrong
Who is General Failure and
why is he reading my disk?
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Greg Hennessy
Another false premise.
Most new PCs do *not* ship with CD writers.
There is no corporate I know of who would accept desktop PCs from Dell,
HPAQ or anyone else with CDRW as standard.
[equivocating nonsense binned unread]
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Ant
Greg Hennessy said:
That's funny. I work for a corporate which has recently renewed all
its PCs (several thousand seats). All come with CD writers.
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Zvi Netiv
Ant said:
I suppose you don't work for a bank! ;-)
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Greg Hennessy
Or any company with a with properly run procurement dept.
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Ant
Scientific R&D.
What do you mean by that? Most of us require CDRW; it's the modern
equivalent of a floppy disk.
What do you mean by that? Most of us require CDRW; it's the modern
equivalent of a floppy disk.
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Greg Hennessy
A CDRW is 3+ times the price of a plain CD/DVD player if not more.
Now multiply that by a new desktop rollout across a large organisation....
'Most of us' (i.e average desktop PC users in a corporate environment) have
zero requirement for a floppy disk, cdrw or USB flash memory.
'Most of us' have absolutely no business transferring files in that manner
when properly screened and managed alternatives are there to be used.
They are all security hazards and eminently preventable, be it through
removal or application of policy.
greg
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Ant
Greg Hennessy said:
We got a good deal because of the large number of units.
Most of *us* are not average users. Most are scientists, engineers,
and computing experts. Most of us need to be able to produce
documents, presentations, software, etc. for demonstration, or
distribution to customers and others in our field(s). I did say we
are a scientific research & development company. We don't have a
single product, but have many specialists producing diverse
solutions to various problems for a variety of customers.
Most of us do, most of us have clue, and all of us are trusted to
follow the security procedures, about which we are reminded
frequently. There are penalties for not doing so.
Of course there's a risk, but this is one we have to manage.
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)
What has that to do with anything?
There is no corporate I know of with enough IT suss to avoid
workstation CDRW (and presumably USB sticks, hmm?) that would have
trouble making a slipstream OS CD, assuming they don't rebuild
workstations from thier own disk images anyway.
If you are saying that because the lame bland crowd can't sell
CDRW-standard configs to corporates, that they also don't offer these
to consumerland, well... that's just another reason to avoid bland
lame systems. When the cost difference between CD-ROM and CDRW is as
little as it is today, you'd have to really hate users to withhold
that functionality from them. Which means Joe Sixpack is quite likely
to have a CDRW drive out of the box, and good for him too!
Look; if you are utterly clue-resistant, just don't bother to reply,
OK? It's already obvious you made an untenable assertion, and you're
just digging yourself in deeper. Bye.
Cats have 9 lives, which makes them
ideal for experimentation!
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Greg Hennessy
Most amusing from the intellect replying over a week later in some vain
attempt to have the last word.
If you cannot figure out how to use group policy to deny the use of items
such as usb mass storage, that is not the fault of the audience.
As has been pointed out elsewhere, there is no corporate with anything
resembling a sane IT procurement and IT security policy would countenance
CDRW on the desktop.
greg
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Leythos
The health-care groups I work with don't permit removable media at any
general desktop computer in their offices. The servers have RW drives,
and so do some of the managers, but the hundreds of workstations don't,
and the policy forbids USB/Card devices (including PDA's) except for
those with written permission to use them.
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optikl
Greg, if you're so sure you're dealing with facts and not an opinion, why
not give some examples of these companies that adminster an IT policy that
prohibits CDRWs?
That would at least be a good first step in support of your assertion.
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Greg Hennessy
Try the half dozen or so banks and finance houses I've worked for in the
City of London on occasion.
Add to that a telco or three + one or two other brand leaders in
international shipping and logistics.
What our American chums to fail to realise, is that IT policies are a *lot*
more constrained on this of the pond.
I've worked on projects with USians who were incensed when the were denied
direct routed Internet access from the desktop, no p2p, vpn tunneling or
anything else.
I have written, deployed and enforced policies which would not countenance
any form of removable storage for the average desktop user.
greg
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Leythos
Yea, we get that response when we start blocking web access to non-
business partner sites. Funny thing is, after about two weeks there is a
measurable increase in productivity
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optikl
Leythos said:
I figured there must some exceptions. I would find it extremely difficult to
imagine my being able to transfer technical design data I have sold to
customers outside my company without having CDRW privileges as an option.
Email encryption is cumbersome for very large files and usually violates our
IT policy for the attachment size.