Wireless Disconnects - a Vista Bug

[Richard in AZ]

That's because the computer and its wireless NIC never got a DHCP IP from the router that was
going to let it access the Internet. In addition to that, the machine cannot even access the
router's admin pages either using the router's device IP, because it was not using an IP on the
router.

Interesting. This computer has 3 hard drives and a drive switch that allows only one hard drive at
a time to be powered. All other hardware is the same. One hard drive has Windows XP Pro, one has
Vista and the 3rd has a Linux system. Only the Vista machine could not get the Internet
connection. The other two OSs worked just fine.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Interesting. This computer has 3 hard drives and a drive switch that
allows only one hard drive at a time to be powered. All other hardware is
the same. One hard drive has Windows XP Pro, one has Vista and the 3rd
has a Linux system. Only the Vista machine could not get the Internet
connection. The other two OSs worked just fine.

So? This has nothing to do with it that the machine has 3 HD(s) each running
a different O/S.

The fact remains that while the machine was using the Vista O/S, the O/S
couldn't get an IP from the DHCP server on the router (it was not in contact
with the router for whatever reasons to get a valid IP), and the O/S
assigned the 169 IP to the NIC.

The 169 IP will allow the machine to access other machines on the LAN, but
the machine cannot access the Internet, because the 169 IP was not an IP
that was an IP on the router assigned by the router's DHCP server. The IP
will not stop the one machine from accessing other machines attached to the
router (the LAN).

http://www.pctechbytes.com/computer/article-8.html

And if for whatever reasons a machine is obtaining an IP from a DHCP server
will start dropping the connection, it doesn't matter where the DHCP server
is located it can be on the router, FW appliance, another computer acting as
the DHCP server on the LAN or the ISP's DHCP server for a computer that has
a direct connection to the modem and is a direct connection to the ISP's
network, then the 169 IP is going to be assigned to the NIC, if the
connection is dropped. It doesn't matter what O/S is being used as the 169
IP is an IANA standard for this condition.

I suggest you look up the 169 IP and see how that machine could access other
machines on the LAN, but the machine that has the 169 IP cannot access the
Internet. That's the only condition you were talking about it could be.

 

[Saran]

Well after 2 solid days of troubleshooting this one, I'm prepared to
chalk it up to a bug. I don't know for sure whether I blame
Microsoft, HP or Intel, but there's no doubt it's a bug...and a
well-documented one judging from the number of search results I get.

Judging from another post someone made in this thread about the same
thing happening on a computer triple booting between XP Pro, Vista, and
Linux, and only Vista exhibits the problem. So it looks like YAVB ( Yet
Another Vista Bug [TM] )

I still think such a bug is hardly excusable considering this was
working fine in previous operating systems.

-saran

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Well after 2 solid days of troubleshooting this one, I'm prepared to
chalk it up to a bug. I don't know for sure whether I blame
Microsoft, HP or Intel, but there's no doubt it's a bug...and a
well-documented one judging from the number of search results I get.

Judging from another post someone made in this thread about the same thing
happening on a computer triple booting between XP Pro, Vista, and Linux,
and only Vista exhibits the problem. So it looks like YAVB ( Yet Another
Vista Bug [TM] )

I still think such a bug is hardly excusable considering this was working
fine in previous operating systems.

I guess you missed that part when the poster said he did get it to work with
Vista.

 

[Saran]

Well after 2 solid days of troubleshooting this one, I'm prepared to
chalk it up to a bug. I don't know for sure whether I blame
Microsoft, HP or Intel, but there's no doubt it's a bug...and a
well-documented one judging from the number of search results I get.

Judging from another post someone made in this thread about the same
thing happening on a computer triple booting between XP Pro, Vista,
and Linux, and only Vista exhibits the problem. So it looks like
YAVB ( Yet Another Vista Bug [TM] )

I still think such a bug is hardly excusable considering this was
working fine in previous operating systems.

I guess you missed that part when the poster said he did get it to
work with Vista.

I haven't been able to find such a follow up. If it's there please
provide a link.

and even if he says, I find it utterly inexable one should have ot go
thorugh so many hoops to get it works, when it worked perfectly in XP
SP2.

-saran

 

[elche guevara]

I tried everything, I bought a new adapter, new router, new firmware installed, latest patches and nothing worked. So I formatted the PC and installed XP. works like a charm and has not disconnected not even once.
Guys stop wasting your time. Get rid of vista. install XP or windows 7. If you are really fed up with MS, I suggest Ubuntu desktop but then again , the wireless driver will be a bit of pain to install.




noaim wrote:

some one else had this issue a few days ago and fixed it by upgrading the
28-Jul-07

some one else had this issue a few days ago and fixed it by upgrading the
routers firmware so I wouldn't limit the fact that it could need the newest
firmware. I'm not guaranteeing that's the fix but its worth a try



Previous Posts In This Thread:

Re: Wireless Disconnects - a Vista Bug
houstonmat wrote

Simple answer: Vista is broke

I've been using Wireless on XP SP2 for 5 years now wit no problems what
so ever. There is absolutely no excuse for such a shoddy translation of
it to Vista, seeing as it's supposed to be bet tech and all, and coupled
with the fact that this was fixed in XP with SP2, it's absolutely
bewildering that they managed to break it. It's one in a very long list
of broken components in Vista. Sigh

-saran

See if there might be a correlation between the specific wireless NIC adapters
See if there might be a correlation between the specific wireless NIC
adapters in the computers and the router. Many times it's problematic to mix
and match hardware. I know I have changed wireless NICs and been rid of
connection problems. Explore router firmware and NIC firmware. Then drivers.
The drivers for XP were older, most likely, than the ones for Vista now. I'm
not supporting Vista since I find it's an OS that tries to do too much (OS,
firewall, malware and more) rather than focusing on being an OS first and
letting 3rd parties fill the other needs as has happened in XP (pre-SP2) and
Win2K. Good luck


Houstonmat,I had the same problem with my new computer running Vista Home
Houstonmat

I had the same problem with my new computer running Vista Home Premium and
then Ultimate. I made several calls to Dell and Microsoft trying to
understand the problem

Who is the vendor of your laptops? Is it Dell. If so, click on All Programs
and go to Dell Wirelss. Uncheck the box that says "Let Dell manage your
wireless connections". This will then let Windows manage the connection

However, I still had some problems. After a bit more researching I was
advised to update the driver for my wireless card. This permanently solved
the problem for me. It may or may not work for you but the thing I discovered
was that it was not the fault of my Vista operating system

Have a nice day

C.B.

RE: Wireless Disconnects - a Vista Bug
Is it a Netgear Router

:

No, it's currently a Linksys WRTSL54GS but I've also tried two D-link routers,
No, it's currently a Linksys WRTSL54GS but I've also tried two D-link
routers, one a DI-524 and the other a new draft N (returned it for the
Linksys). I actually still have the DI-524 but I've unplugged it in favor of
the Linksys. But for testing I swap back and forth.

So far I've tried all suggestions except for searching the NIC
manufacturer's website for new drivers, which I will do today. Static IP
address, disabling IPv6, changing power settings to max performance...etc.
etc. and nothing works yet.

I'll keep you posted.

some one else had this issue a few days ago and fixed it by upgrading the
some one else had this issue a few days ago and fixed it by upgrading the
routers firmware so I wouldn't limit the fact that it could need the newest
firmware. I'm not guaranteeing that's the fix but its worth a try.





Re: Wireless Disconnects - a Vista Bug

Have you tried running the Vista wireless diagnostic tool to see if it
reveals a possible cause?

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...5ae8-4cb0-ade5-0a7c446cd4f71033.mspx?mfr=true

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[Bill Yanaire]

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I tried everything, I bought a new adapter, new router, new firmware
installed, latest patches and nothing worked. So I formatted the PC and
installed XP. works like a charm and has not disconnected not even once.
Guys stop wasting your time. Get rid of vista. install XP or windows 7. If
you are really fed up with MS, I suggest Ubuntu desktop but then again ,
the wireless driver will be a bit of pain to install.

Nobody should use that crappy Ubuntu. Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks
who can't get laid.
It's best to stay with a Windows solution unless you are dirt poor like
Alias and can't afford Windows.