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Rod Speed
Trinity said:
The windows ultimate boot disk builds on that too, worth a look.
http://www.ubcd4win.com/index.htm
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The windows ultimate boot disk builds on that too, worth a look.
http://www.ubcd4win.com/index.htm
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Trinity
Thanks again.The windows ultimate boot disk builds on that too, worth a look.
http://www.ubcd4win.com/index.htm
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chrisv
Ron said:Nope, anyone with a clue can do it from the CD or USB instead.
I'd like to have seen you try to use a CD or USB stick to perform the
BIOS update that I just got done doing on a Chaintech VNF4 board. It
wanted the binary on a floppy. Not a bootable floppy, and not a CD,
bootable or not.
More fool you.
The $7 cost is well worth the occasional convenience or emergency use,
IMO.
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Rod Speed
chrisv said:Rod Speed wrote
I'd like to have seen you try to use a CD or USB stick to perform the
BIOS update that I just got done doing on a Chaintech VNF4 board.
Anyone with a clue can do it, even if you cant manage it.
And even if that isnt possible with some weird flasher,
only a fool would build a floppy drive into every single
system, it only makes sense to use a temporary one
in that particular system thats so badly designed when
you dont flash bios very often at all.
It wanted the binary on a floppy. Not a
bootable floppy, and not a CD, bootable or not.
Anyone with a clue can do it, even if you cant manage it.
The $7 cost is well worth the occasional
convenience or emergency use, IMO.
Anyone with a clue just uses a single floppy drive
thats plugged into a system temporarily instead
when the number of situations where a floppy
drive is the only viable approach is so rare now.
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chrisv
Ron said:Anyone with a clue just uses a single floppy drive
thats plugged into a system temporarily instead
when the number of situations where a floppy
drive is the only viable approach is so rare now.
It's nice to have, Ron.
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Folkert Rienstra
chrisv said:I'd like to have seen you try to use a CD or USB stick to perform the
BIOS update that I just got done doing on a Chaintech VNF4 board. It
wanted the binary on a floppy. Not a bootable floppy, and not a CD,
bootable or not.
So it was checking for an A: or B: drive letter.
Bootable CD can do that just fine.
USB stick can probably be emulated as floppy as well.
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Rod Speed
chrisv said:Rod Speed wrote:
It's nice to have, Ron.
Thanks for that completely superfluous
proof that you've never ever had a clue.
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Trinity
I'd like to have seen you try to use a CD or USB stick to perform the
BIOS update that I just got done doing on a Chaintech VNF4 board. It
wanted the binary on a floppy. Not a bootable floppy, and not a CD,
bootable or not.
Why though? Any mb I've owned you can flash the bios from a floppy or
even with the binary file on your HDD. I've done it both ways. With my
current Abit mb I've even flashed the bios remotely over the internet.
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Eric Gisin
Trinity said:Why though? Any mb I've owned you can flash the bios from a floppy or
even with the binary file on your HDD. I've done it both ways. With my
current Abit mb I've even flashed the bios remotely over the internet.
The adaptec 2940* SCSI flasher insists on running from drive A. There must be
others.
The biggest problem (without floppy drive) is all those support floppys that
are only distributed as EXEs. They insist on writing to A, and don't allow you
to create image files that could burn to a bootable CD-RW.
R
Rod Speed
Eric Gisin said:The adaptec 2940* SCSI flasher insists on running from drive A. There must be
others.
The biggest problem (without floppy drive) is all those support floppys that
are only distributed as EXEs. They insist on writing to A, and don't allow you
to create image files that could burn to a bootable CD-RW.
Wrong. Its trivial to let them write to a floppy and burn that onto a CD-RW.
So no need to have a floppy drive in every PC, just one to do that on.
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Dan the man
There is a simple way to do this. Restart your computer and have a
reboot disk (floppy can be made from control panel usually for win 98).
type A:, then type format C: it will ask if you are sure you want to
format. click yes. It will take about 5-20 minutes the entire drive
will be erased. This is free and easy. If you have any questions email
me at (e-mail address removed)
reboot disk (floppy can be made from control panel usually for win 98).
type A:, then type format C: it will ask if you are sure you want to
format. click yes. It will take about 5-20 minutes the entire drive
will be erased. This is free and easy. If you have any questions email
me at (e-mail address removed)
J
J. Clarke
Dan said:There is a simple way to do this. Restart your computer and have a
reboot disk (floppy can be made from control panel usually for win 98).
type A:, then type format C: it will ask if you are sure you want to
format. click yes. It will take about 5-20 minutes the entire drive
will be erased. This is free and easy. If you have any questions email
me at (e-mail address removed)
OK, how about this one. What happens when the next guy puts a diskette in
the drive that contains one of the numerous unformatting utilities and
tells it to unformat C:?
Formatting a disk does not remove the data. In fact these days it doesn't
even make it particularly difficult to recover.
There are utilities that will write the disk full of zeros or random data.
Some of them are free. Most disk manufacturers have at least one such on
their Web site. That will generally be adequate unless there is a
possibility that someone with the resources of a first-world government
will attempt to recover the data, in which case it is better to destroy the
drive.
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Ann Onimus
Dan the man said:There is a simple way to do this. Restart your computer and have a
reboot disk (floppy can be made from control panel usually for win 98).
type A:, then type format C: it will ask if you are sure you want to
format. click yes. It will take about 5-20 minutes the entire drive
will be erased. This is free and easy. If you have any questions email
me at
formatting disk does not wipe it.
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Arno Wagner
formatting disk does not wipe it.
That is one of the "crimes" of MS: They use the term "formatting"
for filesystem creation and now everybody thinks that "format"
does format a disk. It does not. It does filesystem creation
and deletes only very little of the data present before.
Formatting a disk does erase it completely. However the last
disks that could actually be formatted were ESDI disks, AFAIK.
Arno
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chrisv
Folkert said:So it was checking for an A: or B: drive letter.
Bootable CD can do that just fine.
USB stick can probably be emulated as floppy as well.
This flash utility was in the BIOS. How could I make the BIOS think
that the CDROM drive was A:? No, I think in this instance, you needed
a floppy drive, if only temporarily.
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chrisv
Trinity said:Why though? Any mb I've owned you can flash the bios from a floppy or
even with the binary file on your HDD. I've done it both ways. With my
current Abit mb I've even flashed the bios remotely over the internet.
Well, considering that I didn't even have an OS installed, getting on
the Internet would have been difficult. 8)
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Eric Gisin
So all those SCSI drives that can Format Unit with variable sectors don'tArno Wagner said:Formatting a disk does erase it completely. However the last
disks that could actually be formatted were ESDI disks, AFAIK.
exist?
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Folkert Rienstra
Arno Wagner said:That is one of the "crimes" of MS: They use the term "formatting"
for filesystem creation and now everybody thinks that "format"
does format a disk.
It does not.
Of course it does.
It does filesystem creation and deletes only very little of the data
present before.
And why exactly shouldn't "format" do that.
Formatting a disk does erase it completely.
Nope.
However the last disks that could actually be formatted were ESDI
disks, AFAIK.
All disks can be file system "formatted".
Low Level Formatting is a different matter and so is Servotrack Writing.
The first can be done on several disks (that allow it) and the second is done
in the factory only.
Both however are types of "formatting", ie dividing the storage area into
addressable and managable parts, units of storage.
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Folkert Rienstra
Eric Gisin said:So all those SCSI drives that can Format Unit with variable sectors don't
exist?
Not in Arnies world.
In Arnies world low level formatting is something stuck in time, from when
harddrives still had stepper motors.
And not only in Arnies world.
Low level formatting has always been and will always be the formatting
of tracks, dividing them into sectors.