Windows Vista upgrade disk

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To the people who run Microsoft I would say:

Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista operating
system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking in
features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.

Users will not be able to:

1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I applaud
your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues, is
corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.

2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option of
booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
appealing.

To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to the
general public of Windows Vista.

Cordially yours,

Jon Acord


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Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
operating
system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
in
features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.

Users will not be able to:

1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
applaud
your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
is
corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
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I used the RTM version (legally obtained on MSDN) to upgrade my test
machine's XP but it didn't work out so I did a clean install with the same
DVD. It boots AND does an upgrade.

Tom Lake
 
Yes I did send this in directly to Microsoft. The reply so far was:
Hello Jon,

Thank you for writing to us at microsoft.com.

We are sorry that your experience with our insert Product or Service was
less than acceptable. We will be forwarding your comments to the appropriate
Microsoft group, which will use your feedback when planning and evaluating
future enhancements.

Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.



Devaiah

Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative



If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience,
please e-mail my manager, Sujith Sadasivan, at (e-mail address removed)

So, looks like we will have to sit back and see what happens together!
 
Jon said:
Yes I did send this in directly to Microsoft. The reply so far was:
Hello Jon,

Thank you for writing to us at microsoft.com.

We are sorry that your experience with our insert Product or Service
was less than acceptable. We will be forwarding your comments to the
appropriate Microsoft group, which will use your feedback when
planning and evaluating future enhancements.
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"Insert Product or Service" eh? It's those personal touches that matter so
much!
 
Tom we are not talking about the subscriber edition you downloaded from MSDN.
This discussion is concerning the upgrade edition of Vista that will be due
January 30th. This disk is reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be
started within the OS. From what I have learned it cannot do a clean
install. Only an upgrade of the existing OS, even if that OS is corrupt, or
has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.
 
Jon Acord said:
Tom we are not talking about the subscriber edition you downloaded from
MSDN.
This discussion is concerning the upgrade edition of Vista that will be
due
January 30th. This disk is reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be
started within the OS. From what I have learned it cannot do a clean
install. Only an upgrade of the existing OS, even if that OS is corrupt,
or
has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.
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Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to do
both.

Tom Lake
 
Tom said:
Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able
to do both.
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A version of the "Upgrade Edition" of Windows Vista?

Got a link to some documentation? The issue Jon mentions is horrific if it's
true, so some documentation to show it isn't would be very useful.
 
xfile said:
Hi,

Is it confirmed?
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The RTM is the exact DVD image that will be shipping (that's what RTM
means -
MS has turned it over to Manufacturing to be pressed into DVDs. There will
be
NO further changes before launch). Since the RTM can do both, the shipping
DVDs will do both.

Tom Lake
 
Well, I sure hope so but it's not what others suggested for the "completely
clean installation".

But if it's true, glad to know.
 
Yet another thread on this!

It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista upgrade as
well.

Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already happened.
Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the Upgrade
Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until the end
of January, the sale is now!
 
Jon, it has been stated by Darrell Gorter (MSFT) that a clean install can be
done to another volume (read partition), so until I hear otherwise from him,
I am going to assume that he is correct. To my knowledge no Microsoft
employee has stated otherwise.
 
The version you are talking about is the full version, not the one that
checks whether or not a qualifying operating system is present to qualify
for the discount. Full versions will both update and install clean, but do
not have the qualification check.
 
John said:
Jon, it has been stated by Darrell Gorter (MSFT) that a clean install
can be done to another volume (read partition), so until I hear
otherwise from him, I am going to assume that he is correct. To my
knowledge no Microsoft employee has stated otherwise.
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Which is totally unsatisfactory for the majority of non-technical home users
who will be buying an upgrade package, who may not have a suitable second
partition, won't know how to create one, and won't realise the implications.
But who may well be burned by the Vista upgrade process if they do anything
other than a "clean upgrade".
 
I agree 100%. My upgrades have been a disaster and the procedure is not
customer friendly, but it will be possible and I'm sure that computer
service departments will be happy to install properly. Lets guess you save
$100 to $150 and pay the computer tech around $75. Might as well go for the
full version and save transporting the computer.
 
That's because it is NOT and UPGRADE edition. It is a full edition. We all
know what the full edition does. It is the Upgrade edition that none of us
have ever seen.
 
I'm sorry Tom but you still don't understand what we are talking about. The
only editions available so far ar FULL editions. No Upgrade editions have
been available for download. Of course the full edition can boot the
computer and of course it can either do a clean installation or an upgrade.
But we are looking at what you will get when the Upgrade editions reach the
public in January and it doesn't sound like the kind of Upgrade edition we
got with XP.
 
However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and in many
cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
 
Pssst Jupiter,
Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
lol
Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
LOL

Jeff
 
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