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John Doe
Coming soon to a store near you.
That is why I skipped Vista
haha
That is why I skipped Vista
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ftran999
That appears to be the upgrade version. I prefer to do a clean install.John Doe said:Coming soon to a store near you.
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JR Weiss
ftran999 said:That appears to be the upgrade version. I prefer to do a clean install.
You can still do a clean install with the upgrade version, as long as XP or
Vista are on the machine, or you have an original install CD/DVD.
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paul_0090
Read on the ms website that one MUST do a clean install if upgradingYou can still do a clean install with the upgrade version, as long as XP or
Vista are on the machine, or you have an original install CD/DVD.
from winxp, win2k or win98.
I'm waiting for answers on whether we must have a previous version
installed in order to install win7 as in after win7 bombs & a
reinstall is needed. Have read on Anantech that vista requires that
an earlier ver has to be installed before the "update/upgrade" to
vista would work.
It will be a pain in the butt to install winxp then install win7 when
a reinstall is needed.
J
John Doe
paul_0090 said:Read on the ms website that one MUST do a clean install if
upgrading from winxp, win2k or win98.
I'm waiting for answers on whether we must have a previous version
installed in order to install win7 as in after win7 bombs & a
reinstall is needed. Have read on Anantech that vista requires
that an earlier ver has to be installed before the
"update/upgrade" to vista would work.
It will be a pain in the butt to install winxp then install win7
when a reinstall is needed.
I think Windows 7 works the same as Windows XP for making
incremental known good copies of the installation. Unfortunately,
lately my disk managers have been unable to see the hard drive from
their recovery CDs. However, apparently a new one I recently tried
does work from its boot disk.
In other words... There is a marvelous solution to the Windows
reinstallation problem. You must have the tool(s) and learn how to
use it, and you must keep backup copies of important files from your
Windows partition. If you can do that stuff, it will change your
world.
I remember such a long long time ago, all of my Windows problems and
hangups. After learning how to make a copy of the Windows partition,
those troubles pleasantly faded away.
Good luck and have fun.
J
John Doe
Hipupchuck said:An we know it WILL necessary, don't we.
Says who?
It has never been that way before.
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spodosaurus
John said:Says who?
It has never been that way before.
Shhhhh. Go back to sleep.
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paul_0090
And you have never tried to install vista onto a NEW harddrive usingSays who?
It has never been that way before.
an upgrade vista disc?
Further info on Anantech says that info from m$ is that any workaround
to circumvent installing onto a disc without a prior ver of windows
is being "looked at".
Winxp doesn't require that a previous win ver be installed using a copy
of the upgrade winxp cd; I certainly didn't need it when I got a
500 gig drive; just popped the winnt disc & the clean install
completed ok; won't happen if installing win7, now.
One of the "sortof" workaround with vista upgrade was to install the
prev windows WITHOUT activation, then do the vista install; not too
good as one still had to install an OS twice. That is also being
addressed by m$ as to required an "activated" prev install before
the win7 upgrade can be used.
I'll stay with winxp until real student pricing is available esp
since I'm mostly using linux anyway as winxp is only being used
when needed to scan a document or sync my glucose monitoring
from the Palm to windows.
J
John Doe
spodosaurus said:Shhhhh. Go back to sleep.
What the **** are you trying to say, moron?
J
John Doe
paul_0090 said:And you have never tried to install vista onto a NEW harddrive
using an upgrade vista disc?
Have you, Paulie? What are you babbling about?
Further info on
Speculation is not information.
Anantech says that
One-way media speculation is worthless, Paulie. They will say
anything about anything to get attention.
info from m$ is that any workaround to circumvent installing onto
a disc without a prior ver of windows is being "looked at".
You sound naïve, Paulie. Microsoft cannot do anything (by itself) to
prevent circumvention by pirates, let alone legitimate users.
Winxp doesn't require that a previous win ver be installed using a
copy of the upgrade winxp cd;
Neither has any other version of windows.
won't happen if installing win7, now.
Says who? Provide a citation or shut up, Paulie.
One of the "sortof" workaround with vista upgrade was to install
the prev windows WITHOUT activation, then do the vista install;
not too good as one still had to install an OS twice. That is
also being addressed by m$ as to required an "activated" prev
install before the win7 upgrade can be used.
Again, Paulie, you sound naïve. If you have purchased a license, all
you need is the media. Besides, the vast majority of users outside
of the United States and Great Britain do not even pay for windows,
and there is nothing Microsoft can do about that. We in the United
States will always be able to reimport their workarounds against
draconian restrictions, via the Internet until someday when our
government decides it is time for an Internet embargo.
I'll stay with winxp until real student pricing is available esp
since I'm mostly using linux
I should have guessed...
Sounds like you are propagating a sensational rumor, Paulie.
I am hardly an advocate for Microsoft. I am not promoting windows.
Anyone who has no compelling need for upgrading should avoid paying
PC user dues to Microsoft at this time. However, someday it will be
necessary. For anyone who has not upgraded since XP, this discount
might be a good time. Personally, I probably waited too long before
upgrading from 98 to XP. Currently, my SSD drive and maybe other
stuff might be able to use some of the technology in Windows 7.
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paul_0090
Have you, Paulie? What are you babbling about?
Here we go again with the insults; can't be civil can you?
I haven't installed vista because of reports that the upgrade
must be installed onto a drive with a windows os; & the price
of vista os is too high. The restrictions for installing
win7 is the same as vista where a windows os must be on the
hard drive requiring a double install of an os.
Speculation is not information.
One-way media speculation is worthless, Paulie. They will say
anything about anything to get attention.
Why don't you just try to verify info instead of babbling. "Anantech"
allows comments by registered people & the info is from people
talking to multiple "tech support" personnel at microsoft.
Too bad you are such a narrow-minded person.
You sound naïve, Paulie. Microsoft cannot do anything (by itself) to
prevent circumvention by pirates, let alone legitimate users.
True, but I'm not a pirate like you. I do use legal windows os.
You can report back if you can get around the restriction of the
upgrade install done "legally". Not all legitimate users feel
that it is worth their time to experiment.
Neither has any other version of windows.
Still being narrow-minded & NOT reading any reports nor the
ms website. Prove that vista & win7 won't require the existence
of windows if you install either an "upgrade" vista or win7.
Says who? Provide a citation or shut up, Paulie.
Go to Anantech & get the reported info comments from microsoft in the
pricing for win7.
Again, Paulie, you sound naïve. If you have purchased a license, all
you need is the media. Besides, the vast majority of users outside
of the United States and Great Britain do not even pay for windows,
and there is nothing Microsoft can do about that. We in the United
States will always be able to reimport their workarounds against
draconian restrictions, via the Internet until someday when our
government decides it is time for an Internet embargo.
And you imply that you are a "legitimate" user. I do know about the
volume pricing for windows where some restrictions are not implemented;
something that the general public has access to. I do acknowledge that
I'm a sucker in paying for my copy of windows....should have pirated
all my software like you.
Well, sounds like you are the one that is creating all theI should have guessed...
Sounds like you are propagating a sensational rumor, Paulie.
alt.linux.sucks type newsgroups.
I am hardly an advocate for Microsoft. I am not promoting windows.
Anyone who has no compelling need for upgrading should avoid paying
PC user dues to Microsoft at this time. However, someday it will be
necessary. For anyone who has not upgraded since XP, this discount
might be a good time. Personally, I probably waited too long before
upgrading from 98 to XP. Currently, my SSD drive and maybe other
stuff might be able to use some of the technology in Windows 7.
The reason many upgrade to win7 is mainly for the 64-bit usage. I
got winxp only because the school charged $15 for the xp upgrade; it
is now $70 since the budget cuts; of course, the Texas universities
still only charge $7 for the upgrades.
Upgrades are dependent on what one wants/needs as my hardware only
got updated last year from Athlon 7 to the intel e6550 which was
outdated when I got it.
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John Doe
paul_0090 said:Here we go again with the insults; can't be civil can you?
Sometimes bluntness is required when talking to a babbling idiot,
like someone who apparently cannot copy and paste a link. If you
have evidence that Microsoft requires a preinstallation of another
version of windows before doing an installation of the Windows 7
upgrade, provide a citation. Otherwise, Paulie, expect more of the
same.
I haven't installed vista because of reports that the upgrade must
be installed onto a drive with a windows os; & the price of vista
os is too high. The restrictions for installing win7 is the same
as vista where a windows os must be on the hard drive requiring a
double install of an os.
Says a babbling idiot? Provide a citation, Paulie.
Why don't you just try to verify info instead of babbling.
Because I think you are full of it, Paulie.
"Anantech" allows comments by registered people & the info is from
people talking to multiple "tech support" personnel at microsoft.
If what you say is true, Paulie, you would be able to find the
information at Microsoft's web site, or someone else would link to
there. Apparently you just read something and believed it without
question. Or you just made it up... who knows.
Too bad you are such a narrow-minded person.
That, because I do not believe a babbling idiot. If what you say
were true, Paulie, someone would have provided a citation by now.
True, but I'm not a pirate like you.
Says a make-believe artist (who works at a University, ha ha).
I do use legal windows os. You can report back if you can get
around the restriction of the upgrade install done "legally". Not
all legitimate users feel that it is worth their time to
experiment.
You probably would not be skilled enough to use it anyway, Paulie.
Still being narrow-minded & NOT reading any reports nor the ms
website. Prove that vista & win7 won't require the existence of
windows if you install either an "upgrade" vista or win7.
Without any evidence to the contrary, Paulie, I and probably most
regulars in this group will safely assume that like every MS
operating system before it, a clean install will only require an
original CD as proof of purchase. No skilled/knowledgeable user has
suggested otherwise.
Go to Anantech & get the reported info comments from microsoft in
the pricing for win7.
I do not do wild goose chases, Paulie.
And you imply that you are a "legitimate" user.
Yes, I pay for Windows. That is my definition of "a legitimate
user".
I do know about the volume pricing for windows where some
restrictions are not implemented; something that the general
public has access to. I do acknowledge that I'm a sucker in
paying for my copy of windows....should have pirated all my
software like you.
Paying for a reading comprehension course might be a better use of
your money, Paulie.
Well, sounds like you are the one that is creating all the
alt.linux.sucks type newsgroups.
You are full of completely baseless claims, Paulie, a Linux Lunatic
who hangs around this personal computer users group bashing the
operating system used on over ninety percent of personal computers.
Many PC users do not really like Microsoft and would rather not be
reminded of how bad Microsoft is.
The reason many upgrade to win7 is mainly for the 64-bit usage.
Here we go again...
Says who, Paulie? You are probably taking a bit of information
rattling around between your ears and applying it to all Windows
users, even though the original source was probably talking about
Vista users.
You just keep on spewing nonsense, Paulie.
I got winxp only because the school charged $15 for the xp
upgrade; it is now $70 since the budget cuts; of course, the Texas
universities still only charge $7 for the upgrades.
That is no surprise, Paulie, that you had no clue about the major
improvement in memory management between Windows 98 and Windows XP.
Provide a citation for your claim that the Windows 7 upgrade will
require a preinstallation of another operating system, Paulie.
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Sometimes bluntness is required when talking to a babbling idiot,
like someone who apparently cannot copy and paste a link. If you
have evidence that Microsoft requires a preinstallation of another
version of windows before doing an installation of the Windows 7
upgrade, provide a citation. Otherwise, Paulie, expect more of the
same.
Says a babbling idiot? Provide a citation, Paulie.
Because I think you are full of it, Paulie.
If what you say is true, Paulie, you would be able to find the
information at Microsoft's web site, or someone else would link to
there. Apparently you just read something and believed it without
question. Or you just made it up... who knows.
That, because I do not believe a babbling idiot. If what you say
were true, Paulie, someone would have provided a citation by now.
Says a make-believe artist (who works at a University, ha ha).
You probably would not be skilled enough to use it anyway, Paulie.
Without any evidence to the contrary, Paulie, I and probably most
regulars in this group will safely assume that like every MS
operating system before it, a clean install will only require an
original CD as proof of purchase. No skilled/knowledgeable user has
suggested otherwise.
I do not do wild goose chases, Paulie.
Yes, I pay for Windows. That is my definition of "a legitimate
user".
Paying for a reading comprehension course might be a better use of
your money, Paulie.
You are full of completely baseless claims, Paulie, a Linux Lunatic
who hangs around this personal computer users group bashing the
operating system used on over ninety percent of personal computers.
Many PC users do not really like Microsoft and would rather not be
reminded of how bad Microsoft is.
Here we go again...
Says who, Paulie? You are probably taking a bit of information
rattling around between your ears and applying it to all Windows
users, even though the original source was probably talking about
Vista users.
You just keep on spewing nonsense, Paulie.
That is no surprise, Paulie, that you had no clue about the major
improvement in memory management between Windows 98 and Windows XP.
Provide a citation for your claim that the Windows 7 upgrade will
require a preinstallation of another operating system, Paulie.
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It's only an operating system and an opinion, you might want to relax.
In the grande scheme of things, this is very tiny and not worth a
mental meltdown. Take a breath and move on. If you are lucky enough to
live into your eighties, you may look back and say " **** that guy was
right" if not, then tough shit for you.
-J
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John Doe
jinxy <willandsue rogers.com> wrote:
....
They are fallacies expressed as facts, Willie, you might want to get
a clue.
And what is your problem, Willie?
You mean "take a deep breath", not a short shallow breath.
Anything is possible... Maybe I will find out that I was talking to
a child molesting mass murderer... Or maybe even a technically
clueless troll from Google Groups... I really do not care unless you
are full of shit Willie.
....
It's only an operating system and an opinion, you might want to
relax.
They are fallacies expressed as facts, Willie, you might want to get
a clue.
In the grande scheme of things, this is very tiny and not worth a
mental meltdown.
And what is your problem, Willie?
Take a breath and move on.
You mean "take a deep breath", not a short shallow breath.
If you are lucky enough to
live into your eighties, you may look back and say " **** that guy
was right" if not, then tough shit for you.
-J
Anything is possible... Maybe I will find out that I was talking to
a child molesting mass murderer... Or maybe even a technically
clueless troll from Google Groups... I really do not care unless you
are full of shit Willie.
J
John Doe
For the guy(s) like Hipupchuck who wanted to know but was afraid to ask...
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-7-Home-Premium-
Upgrade/product/B0F9E641#ctl13_tcla_a
# If you have Windows Vista, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions.
You can do a clean install (back up your files, clean install, and
reinstall your applications) or an in-place upgrade (Windows 7 installs
over Windows Vista).
# If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7
Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and
reinstall your applications.
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-7-Home-Premium-
Upgrade/product/B0F9E641#ctl13_tcla_a
# If you have Windows Vista, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions.
You can do a clean install (back up your files, clean install, and
reinstall your applications) or an in-place upgrade (Windows 7 installs
over Windows Vista).
# If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7
Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and
reinstall your applications.
J
John Doe
One good (and maybe extraordinary) thing about the current upgrade special
is that it includes both 32-bit and 62-bit versions. Those of us who are
sitting on a fence about the issue might be satisfied with that fact. It is
a pre-order, but Amazon (and maybe the rest) will not charge your card
until it ships.
is that it includes both 32-bit and 62-bit versions. Those of us who are
sitting on a fence about the issue might be satisfied with that fact. It is
a pre-order, but Amazon (and maybe the rest) will not charge your card
until it ships.
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Fishface
John said:One good (and maybe extraordinary) thing about the current upgrade special
is that it includes both 32-bit and 62-bit versions. Those of us who are
sitting on a fence about the issue might be satisfied with that fact. It is
a pre-order, but Amazon (and maybe the rest) will not charge your card
until it ships.
I decided to try the 64 bit Release Candidate. It sure is different. For some
reason, they made it more Apple OS X-like. I thought the Start Menu, Taskbar,
and Windows Explorer interface (including the Search dialog) in XP were near
perfect. Gone, long gone. Quick launch, gone. I want to like this, but I'm
having a really hard time...
F
Fishface
I decided to try the 64 bit Release Candidate. It sure is different. For some
Well, I checked-out a Vista machine at work that I have been avoiding. It looks
exactly like that.
I only have 4 GB installed, but I notice it is much snappier than my previous 2GB
when switching between big apps. I hate waiting for it to write memory pages
to disk. My P35 based motherboard only supports 8 GB, and so I'll max it out
for $100 if it's a keeper. There were no drivers for my modem and no support for
my trusty Laserjet 4. HP doesn't seem to have a 64 bit driver for anything earlier
than 2005. The are no driver for my old scanners. There are no drivers for my
Compro TV tuner card (which turned capture card with the demise of NTSC, so
no great loss) although it was usable in XP with the converter box.
I had turned on Data Execution Prevention ( DET ) for all programs, which is not
the default, but DVDShrink would just quit immediately with this setting without
any OS notification. An Application Error Event 1000 appears in the Application
section of Event Viewer. I might have written-it-off, but it had worked yesterday.
Win16 apps don't run, and DOS programs don't run, at least in the 64 bit edition.
My American Heritage Dictionary for which I paid $40 in 1992 will finally have to
be replaced, as will Aldus Intellidraw 2.0, which I will miss. My old AllClear
flowcharting software is another casualty.
It surprised me that my Canon S800 has driver support. It was reviewed on
the Steve's Digicams website in July of 2001. This makes me more likely to
but Canon products in the future.
reason, they made it more Apple OS X-like. I thought the Start Menu, Taskbar,
and Windows Explorer interface (including the Search dialog) in XP were near
perfect. Gone, long gone. Quick launch, gone. I want to like this, but I'm
having a really hard time...
Well, I checked-out a Vista machine at work that I have been avoiding. It looks
exactly like that.
I only have 4 GB installed, but I notice it is much snappier than my previous 2GB
when switching between big apps. I hate waiting for it to write memory pages
to disk. My P35 based motherboard only supports 8 GB, and so I'll max it out
for $100 if it's a keeper. There were no drivers for my modem and no support for
my trusty Laserjet 4. HP doesn't seem to have a 64 bit driver for anything earlier
than 2005. The are no driver for my old scanners. There are no drivers for my
Compro TV tuner card (which turned capture card with the demise of NTSC, so
no great loss) although it was usable in XP with the converter box.
I had turned on Data Execution Prevention ( DET ) for all programs, which is not
the default, but DVDShrink would just quit immediately with this setting without
any OS notification. An Application Error Event 1000 appears in the Application
section of Event Viewer. I might have written-it-off, but it had worked yesterday.
Win16 apps don't run, and DOS programs don't run, at least in the 64 bit edition.
My American Heritage Dictionary for which I paid $40 in 1992 will finally have to
be replaced, as will Aldus Intellidraw 2.0, which I will miss. My old AllClear
flowcharting software is another casualty.
It surprised me that my Canon S800 has driver support. It was reviewed on
the Steve's Digicams website in July of 2001. This makes me more likely to
but Canon products in the future.
F
Fishface
Quick launch, gone.
I found how to get it back:
www.maximumpc.com/article/features/20_windows_7_tweaks_tips_%E2%80%93_every_secret_uncovered_date?page=0%2C3
Sort of...
I found how to get it back:
www.maximumpc.com/article/features/20_windows_7_tweaks_tips_%E2%80%93_every_secret_uncovered_date?page=0%2C3
Sort of...
J
John Doe
Fishface said:John Doe wrote:
I decided to try the 64 bit Release Candidate. It sure is
different. For some reason, they made it more Apple OS X-like.
I thought the Start Menu, Taskbar, and Windows Explorer
interface (including the Search dialog) in XP were near perfect.
Gone, long gone. Quick launch, gone. I want to like this, but
I'm having a really hard time...
The 64-bit version began crashing here, so I switched to the
32-bit version. I immediately made windows look like they did in
prior versions, love them gradient title bars. There is a path bar
below the menu bar that allows reverse navigation better than a
back button. It looks like a good use of space, and it might
finally eliminate the need for using the folder view here.
More later.