Wierd For...Each behavior

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Hi Nick,

Excellent!! Big Time ROFL at Jack's expense..

|| .. small girl in lilac who has just dropped
|| her dummy out of the pram ..

LOL

|| Are you feeling lucky, punk? .. Well are you??

I've slight misquoted you but that's the image I got!

Fergus.

ps. What's wrong with lilac? :-(
 
Hi Jack,

|| Tell your shrink that you're projecting your emotions again.

"Projecting your emotions" is not a correct psychological term, Jack. It's
a term misused by the general public. The word you're looking for there is
'expressing'. The expressing of emotions doesn't require a shrink. On the
contrary, there are those who repress their emotions and may find that they
benefit from a few sessions with a therapist.

It might do you some good to read and apply the following.
http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/

Fergus
 
LOL. Ok ... NERD FIGHT!!!

I just feel bad for poor Tom... he just wanted a simple answer to a simple
question. <g>
 
Hi Jack,

|| Yes, you would rather do that than post
|| your own solution, hypocrite.

On the contrary Jack, this query was resolved hours ago by Cor and Nick. I
see no point in writing my own version of a given solution. The only thing I
would be able to contribute is a different style. That strikes me as pointless
in a practical question such as this.

Nor would it have been any use explaining the concepts in any greater
depth because everything was explained to Tom perfectly well. He went away
happy.

My contribution to this thread is to defend my colleagues from unjustified
aggression. I choose to do this by applying equal or greater aggression.

And while this has all been going on I have been busy investigating and
solving a number of other queries. I've answered countless queries since I
joined this newsgroup. In the last whole time that I've noticed you here Jack,
you have contributed to how many queries ? Answer: 4.

Here's one response you gave to someone.

|| I've heard this question asked many times. Without
|| exception, I've found that further investigation into
|| the motivation behind such a request has revealed
|| inappropriate justification for doing so due to ignorance
|| of Windows standards and conventions.

Implication - You (the person with the query) are going to be yet another
(yawn) ignorant programmer who hasn't learnt the manual and is doing things
that they shouldn't.

|| There's always a chance this could be the rare exception,
|| but I wouldn't bet on it.

Implication - Yep, I (Jack) think that you <really are> going to be just
another moron.

I think that your choice of language is inappropriate Jack. I think it may
be due to ignorance of good etiquette. On the other hand maybe it just
confirms my view of you as arrogant, snide, big-headed, conceited and smugly
superior.

It seems to me that you are exhibiting a cluster of behavioural traits
suggestive of the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000934.htm
and

http://topcondition.com/images/mymindfield/narcissistic_personality_disorde.ht
m

Symptoms: A person with narcissistic personality disorder:
Reacts to criticism with feelings or rage, shame, or humiliation
Takes advantage of others to achieve own goals
Has feelings of self-importance
Exaggerates achievements and talents
Is preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence,
or ideal love
Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
Requires constant attention and admiration
Lacks empathy

How many have you got Jack? You don't need a full set for a diagnosis.
Shall we talk about that shrink again?.

Fergus
 
Fergus Cooney said:
My contribution to this thread is to defend my colleagues from unjustified
aggression. I choose to do this by applying equal or greater aggression.

Yes, it's obvious that you've only intended to flame from the start. That's
the true measure of your character. You've conveniently avoided every
possible opportunity to discuss the technical merits of this thread. You
demanded that I post my code. I did. You ignored it. No amount of
rationalization for your own behavior justifies it. You never had any
intent of discussing the issues in this thread. So who's the troll in this
case? That you help in other threads doesn't excuse your behavior in this
one.
And while this has all been going on I have been busy investigating and
solving a number of other queries. I've answered countless queries since I
joined this newsgroup. In the last whole time that I've noticed you here Jack,
you have contributed to how many queries ? Answer: 4.

So how many free "flame cards" do you get for providing helpful answers?
Here's one response you gave to someone.

|| I've heard this question asked many times. Without
|| exception, I've found that further investigation into
|| the motivation behind such a request has revealed
|| inappropriate justification for doing so due to ignorance
|| of Windows standards and conventions.

Implication - You (the person with the query) are going to be yet another
(yawn) ignorant programmer who hasn't learnt the manual and is doing things
that they shouldn't.

You can selectively pull comments out of context all you want, but nobody
objected to what I said at the time, either technically or personally.
I think that your choice of language is inappropriate Jack. I think it may
be due to ignorance of good etiquette. On the other hand maybe it just
confirms my view of you as arrogant, snide, big-headed, conceited and smugly
superior.

Is name calling all you can do?
It seems to me that you are exhibiting a cluster of behavioural traits
suggestive of the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
[snip]
How many have you got Jack? You don't need a full set for a diagnosis.
Shall we talk about that shrink again?.

Your diagnosis is worth every penny that I paid for it.
 
Herfried K. Wagner said:
Maybe Cor is not always "professional", but he contributes a lot to this ng.
You come in and play the troll. Shame on you.

First of all, I did not come here to troll.

In my original post I said:
good
intentions.
misusing a For loop.

It was you that posted, less than an hour after my original post:
other
people there if you do not contribute to the ng."

You apparently read my message as a flame. Cor's code didn't work. That is
a fact. It is undisputed to this point. Code that doesn't work isn't
helpful even though that was the intent. Do you dispute this? For loops
aren't very suitable for iterating dynamic data structures that will change
within the iterations, so that's what I meant by 'misusing a For loop'.
Iterating the collection from back to front using a For loop merely a means
to get a poorly chosen looping structure to work in this situation. These
are technical issues that are open for legitimate debate.

You accuse me of being a troll. I had no intention to argue for the sake of
argument or otherwise discuss anything beyond the technical issues. I did
not shout, and I challenge you to show where I did. You didn't even give me
an hour to post a solution. Who the hell do you think you are? Being an
MVP doesn't give you any authority to dictate the direction of the
conversation. You also neglect to recognize who has done the majority of
the abusive name calling in this thread, going so far as to condone and
support their behavior yourself. You and everyone else here has also
conveniently chosen to ignore the code that I posted and its merits,
choosing instead to jump on the bandwagon of flamers. I'm not pleased with
how this thread has turned out. How many trolls post real code, that works,
and is at least as good as anything else posted? I stand by my code, and if
you would've given me a chance to post it before you and others started
attacking, maybe you could see that.

Instead of focusing on the problems in his own code, Cor demanded that I
post something immediately and reposted this demand repeatedly, all within
two hours of my original post. I had only intended my initial message to
serve to point out that the code wouldn't work until I had a chance to post
an alternative, and my reference to 'padawan' wasn't intended as a slam but
in jest. Apparently you and others took this as a flame. But an honest
reevaluation might see that this may have a different intention than what
you assumed to be the case.

You also chose to neglect my response to Scott, in which I corrected the
information he suggested and explained why it wouldn't work. Cor, Fergus,
and Nick continued to challenge me to post an alternative, again within a
mere two hours of this post.

No one apparently took issue with any of the technical information I
provided in my original posts to Cor or Scott or even offered any challenge
to what I said and merely resorted exclusively to personal attacks and
challenges. Cor's code wouldn't work for many reasons, although he thought
I was referring to typographical problems, this was purely an inaccurate
assumption on his part. Rather than directly point out the error, I chose
to point out the nature of the problem rather than specify the exact problem
itself, which I thought was a better way for him to discover the problem on
his own. Had he actually tried his own code to reveal the error, he might
have seen the legitimate problem I had raised.

Your MVP status doesn't convey you any authority to misrepresent the nature
of this thread and your complicity in condoning the abuse by cheering them
on. You don't deserve any respect for that, regardless of what other help
you provide here.

But you've killfiled me, right?

That's OK. I no longer have any expectation of any measure of fair
treatment from you. You can dismiss me as a troll, regardless of the facts.
 
ROTFL

Jack Spry said:
Fergus Cooney said:
My contribution to this thread is to defend my colleagues from unjustified
aggression. I choose to do this by applying equal or greater aggression.

Yes, it's obvious that you've only intended to flame from the start. That's
the true measure of your character. You've conveniently avoided every
possible opportunity to discuss the technical merits of this thread. You
demanded that I post my code. I did. You ignored it. No amount of
rationalization for your own behavior justifies it. You never had any
intent of discussing the issues in this thread. So who's the troll in this
case? That you help in other threads doesn't excuse your behavior in this
one.
And while this has all been going on I have been busy investigating and
solving a number of other queries. I've answered countless queries since I
joined this newsgroup. In the last whole time that I've noticed you here Jack,
you have contributed to how many queries ? Answer: 4.

So how many free "flame cards" do you get for providing helpful answers?
Here's one response you gave to someone.

|| I've heard this question asked many times. Without
|| exception, I've found that further investigation into
|| the motivation behind such a request has revealed
|| inappropriate justification for doing so due to ignorance
|| of Windows standards and conventions.

Implication - You (the person with the query) are going to be yet another
(yawn) ignorant programmer who hasn't learnt the manual and is doing things
that they shouldn't.

You can selectively pull comments out of context all you want, but nobody
objected to what I said at the time, either technically or personally.
I think that your choice of language is inappropriate Jack. I think
it
may
be due to ignorance of good etiquette. On the other hand maybe it just
confirms my view of you as arrogant, snide, big-headed, conceited and smugly
superior.

Is name calling all you can do?
It seems to me that you are exhibiting a cluster of behavioural traits
suggestive of the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
[snip]
How many have you got Jack? You don't need a full set for a diagnosis.
Shall we talk about that shrink again?.

Your diagnosis is worth every penny that I paid for it.
 
Hi Jack,

|| Yes, it's obvious that you've only intended to flame
|| from the start. That's the true measure of your character.

Thank you for noticing. I am here in defense of my friends. Not that they
need it per se, but it provides a united front. It is, indeed, a measure of my
character. I call it loyalty.

===============================================
|| You've conveniently avoided every possible opportunity
|| to discuss the technical merits of this thread.
||
|| No amount of rationalization for your own behavior justifies
|| it. You never had any intent of discussing the issues in this thread.

As I said to you before, the technical side of this thread was dealt with
and didn't concern me. No. I haven't avoided it, because, true, I never
intended to discuss the technicals with you.

I'm here against your method of criticism. That is my motivation. Pure and
simple. I don't need to rationalise it. It is reason enough.

The fact that this is taking place in this thread is irrelevant. It will
happen anytime that I see mistreatment. I had cause to pull up one of our own
because he was clumsy with a 'customer'. I have cause to pull you up because
of your mistreatment of one of us. It's a self-appointed role. I do it because
I care and because I can.


|| You demanded that I post my code. I did. You ignored it.

I failed to comment on it. That's not the same thing. You want an opinion
of the code? It's ok. It works. I find it a bit windy and it's not the most
efficient approach.

To Herfried:
|| Iterating the collection from back to front using a For loop
|| merely a means to get a poorly chosen looping structure to
|| work in this situation.

I disagree. Your method recounts the size of the collection each time.
Counting backwards with a For loop only needs one Controls.Count and takes
fewer lines.

===============================================
|| So who's the troll in this case?

I didn't accuse you of that. I know the Trolls from fairy tales and Terry
Pratchett's "Disc World". I don't know what a 'troll' is in this context.

|| So how many free "flame cards" do you get for providing helpful
answers?

You don't get 'flame cards'. You get to build a respectful relationship
with your associates. You get to care about them. You get to dislike it when
someone who has not participated in these joint efforts takes it upon himself
to use careless language when criticising one of them. It's not a 'flame
card' - it's a relationship. Something about which you may well have much to
learn.

To Herfried:
|| Who the hell do you think you are?
|| ...
|| bandwagon of flamers

As above, we think we are a group of people working for the benefit of
others, who have found friendship and camereaderie with each other. Who are
you to come in with your insensitivities? Criticise by all means. But any
means that lack a caring attitude will be responded to. Heavily.


===============================================
|| You can selectively pull comments out of context all you want,
|| but nobody objected to what I said at the time, either technically
|| or personally.

It's a fact of human nature that people don't complain nearly as much to
someone who offends them as they do to themselves or people close to them.
It's something that boorish people and profit-makers the world over rely on.
People don't like to make a fuss.

It's especially the case with many of the people coming to a situation
like this where they perceive us as the experts who are to be respected and
listened to. It's not always the case, of course, but it is certainly true of
those who are junior.

You <don't know> whether you caused offence or not. Given your apparent
lack of sensitivity I would guess that even someone bursting into tears in
front of you would make you wonder what's wrong with <them> not the more
appropriate "what did I say". Sensitivity in dealing with people is something
that is worth making the effort at. [And no, I'm not being sensitive with you,
so don't bother with <that> one.]


|| > I think that your choice of language is inappropriate Jack.
|| > I think it may be due to ignorance of good etiquette. On the
|| > other hand maybe it just confirms my view of you as arrogant,
|| > snide, big-headed, conceited and smugly superior.
||
|| Is name calling all you can do?

No Jack. As you can see in my posts to you, name calling is just a very
small part of my response to you.

I have to wonder. How many of those words have other people accused you of
being in your life? How many others have complained about how you express your
criticisms?


Original post to Cor:
|| It doesn't help when you post bad code that doesn't work,
|| despite your good intentions.
||
|| You also might want to learn when to use While or Do loops
|| instead of misusing a For loop.


First sentence: You're wrong.
Second sentence (condescending): Go away and learn the basics.

Note that there's no hint of any actual correction. No "Count needs to be
decremented", or "ctl needs to be assigned to before use". If you could see
the errors so clearly, what stopped you from cutting, correcting and pasting?


To Herfried:
|| I had only intended my initial message to serve to point out that the
|| code wouldn't work until I had a chance to post an alternative, and
|| my reference to 'padawan' wasn't intended as a slam but in jest.

I accept that there was a mistake with your timing. I don't accept your
message or the language that you used. I do not know what "padawan" is but
when you make a jest in a situation where misunderstanding is possible, you
can qualify it with a smiley. Given that your first post was already
offensive, there was no reason to imagine that you had become friendly enough
to joke. That was bad judgement.

===============================================
|| > It seems to me that you are exhibiting a cluster of behavioural
|| > traits suggestive of the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
|| > ...
|| > How many have you got Jack? You don't need a full set for a
|| > diagnosis. Shall we talk about that shrink again?.
||
|| Your diagnosis is worth every penny that I paid for it.

There's no monetary charge for that one, Jack. You paid for it in
embarassment when you read it. You paid for it in the way that it stirred your
emotions.

However, it's not a diagnosis. It's a dig. To diagnose someone with a
Personality Disorder requires a lot more than reading a few posts. While I
might suspect that you have a few behaviour traits and attitudes that make
life a bit less comfortable for those who you relate to, I would refuse to
give you a definitive label without an interview. Interestingly enough,
though, of all the Personality Disorders, the Narcissist is the least likely
to accept that there's anything amiss. They only look out for number 1, so
they're all right, Jack. It's the people around them who notice it and suffer
the consequences. So, I'll ask again. How many people are giving you hints,
big or small, that they're not happy in relation to you?

===============================================
Let me finalise this post for you, Jack, by spelling it out.

Had you used language that implied a degree of sensitivity, that cared
<how> you criticised, then I would not have felt called upon to respond as
actively as I have. Had you actually posted a solution rather than simply
spraying negativity, I might have simply thought of you as rude. If at any
time, since, had you put your hand up and said, yes, that was a bit clumsy of
me, sorry, I could have said it better, I would similarly have not been so
active against you.

You can still apologise, if you wish. I would be surprised to the max if
you were big enough to do this with good grace - no ifs or buts. It would show
that you've learned something. I suspect that you've learned a lot but pride
will keep that hidden.

No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed.

Fergus
 
Fergus and of course all others,
That is early this morning, I am suprissed.
Even Nick did support me and after a while even Herfried showed he became
angry, did gave me a good feeling.
The errors where so little and bassicly I was expecting from the supplied
code from Tom that only some hints where necassery.
The code Tom used, showed for me that he was not a beginner but just was
searching for some things he could not find.
Thanks all
Cor
 
|| Are you feeling lucky, punk? .. Well are you??


LOL!

I thought I might have been getting carried away, but then I thought again,
naaah. There is nothing wrong with testing your grammar every now and then
in a flame war!! :-)

Nick.

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Hi Fergus,

That was very powerful, ever thought of getting into politics? I've
come across people like that before, they simply crawl newsgroups looking
for things to flame, sometimes they go around in pairs, between them they
have a very good time because it is very rare for others to unite against
them. In this case though I believe their is actually a thread of community
in this newsgroup and there are people contributing with all their spare
time, admittedly I do not help as much as others, that is mainly because I
don't know as much as others, but that doesn't get me down or stop me from
trying to help.

I know others will look at the flames from ourselves too and believe
them to be just as bad as his original flame, but as far as I'm concerned
Jack isn't going to be doing any of that in this newsgroup, and I will
protest that even if it means receiving flack, as I believe you feel. I
think you made the quote of the year though Fergus...

"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."
Fergus - 5 September 2003

I'd be surprised if he has anything else to say, but whatever he says in
this thread now is over my head because I've got "shit" to do, I've got bad
programming to practice ;-) Maybe one day we will be as good a programmers
as Jack, at least I do *hope* he is a good programmer because if he isn't,
sheeesh, he hasn't got much else going for him!

Nick.

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Ahah, so <that's> why you hate them.

Hi Herfried,

What newsreader do you use?

Nick.

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Hi Cor,

Yes I realise that now, I didn't know there were newsreaders that
deleted attachments, I do know now. My code used a similar method (But I
never confessed to it being the best code anyway, I freely admit it was a
bit cheesy, but at least it explains his problem), I hadn't even thought of
going backwards through the collection, what can I say?

"You learn something new every day"

Nick.

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Hi Jack,
In my original post I said:

We know what you said in your original post, strangely enough.
an hour to post a solution. Who the hell do you think you are? Being an
MVP doesn't give you any authority to dictate the direction of the
conversation. You also neglect to recognize who has done the
majority of

Being an MVP might not give the authority to change the direction of
conversation but it does give him allot of respect from others in the
newsgroup. Herfried dedicates far more of his time helping others than you
or I do, and probably anyone else who uses this newsgroup. His status gives
him the right to have a respected view, because at the end of the day if it
wasn't for the MVP's this newsgroup would be dead. Do you honestly think
Microsoft would rather pay people to help in here? dream on!
conveniently chosen to ignore the code that I posted and its merits,
choosing instead to jump on the bandwagon of flamers. I'm not pleased
with

Congratulations Jack on a fine piece of code, a bit late mind, but a
fine piece of code. I think that we should all recommend *you* for MCP
status simply down to your amazing piece of code, if we all had your skills
software would be so much nicer.
You also chose to neglect my response to Scott, in which I corrected the
information he suggested and explained why it wouldn't work. Cor, Fergus,
and Nick continued to challenge me to post an alternative, again within a
mere two hours of this post.

*Yawn... looks at watch*
Your MVP status doesn't convey you any authority to misrepresent the nature
of this thread and your complicity in condoning the abuse by cheering them
on. You don't deserve any respect for that, regardless of what other help
you provide here.

Don't you mean misinterpret? Herfried wasn't really representing this
thread was he? He is simply pointing out facts that you are "trolling" in a
"troll" like manor that is both vile and undesirable. Again, without the
MVP's, especially Herfried, this newsgroup would be dead, as dead as your
personality.
But you've killfiled me, right?

That's OK. I no longer have any expectation of any measure of fair
treatment from you. You can dismiss me as a troll, regardless of the
facts.

LOL, regardless of the facts that you are a troll? If you don't want
fair treatment from Herfried then don't expect the other MVP's to treat you
fairly (Not that I speak for them of course as I am not an MVP), why not
simply leave the newsgroup? because you aren't doing any good in this one,
unless of course you try apologising to Cor, maybe things could settle down
again.

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Nick,
I have the same curiosity
Because on my regular provider your file was not there.
I had to look for news.Microsoft.com to find it.
Cor
 
Nick,
I have the same curiosity
Because on my regular provider your file was not there.
I had to look for news.Microsoft.com to find it.
Cor

I can't even log onto my ISP's news server! The bastards didn't even tell me
how to when I signed up to their service! Oh well.

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