Why do the kiddies want ver 5456 so bad?

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Peter M

Just curious.. through someone I know that's fair high up on MS in a
country, had a chance to try it this weekend (hey, he warned me, did I
really want to.). Well, I can only assume the kiddies believe winsupersite
as a spot on it's the truth site. While some things were nicer it broke just
as much as it fixed... IE7 had some issues, raid controller broke, epson
scanner de nada, canon scanner de nada, sound issues, some major disk
thrashing... needless to say he made me do a image of my beta 2 before he'd
let me try. And then that's why he said (somewhat smugly) is why interm
builds are not released to the public. I was glad to go back to beta2. Quite
frankly, I didn't notice any huge speed increases like has been claimed
either. But the moral of the story is, I've learned and I'll wait for RC1.
Sure, maybe some will have nothing but a good experience but on the other
hand......
 
Newest isn't always best.

Even though interim builds have the newest fixes and freshest features,
there is a price paid for running them ... in reliability and stability :)

- JB
 
Interim builds or so-called "milestone builds" with respect to Vista can be
defined as the builds that are released to shut people up and stop the
sutpid immature "Wendy can we have the next" incessant posts by Beta
testers, so-called TBT's. A high percent of the 7.5% of them who post on
newsgroupswho are age 8 emotionally in adult bodies. They slap a new build
number on it, call it an interim build, BS about how attentive they are to
bugs while closing most of them and passing the bug onto the next number.

I can show you significant bugs in features that are major in Vista that
haven't been fixed in a year and won't be fixed long after Blackcomb Vienna
has had it's been publicity foreplay that are a reflection of poor planning
in the first place and indiffrence and mediocrite ("phoning Vista in" in
the last.

CH
 
Peter--

The fastest way to "speed increases" for Vista or any other OS aren't new
builds for sure; it's better hardware predominantly and good Windozzz
hygeine defrag, run spyware scans, cut processes and services you don't
need. If you ain't runnin' no media center then why do you need 3 media
center processes and several media center services on as a default. That's
typical MSFT behavior. Wisptis as a process that is hard to end shows up
with any application remotely related to Office. Wisptis facilitates pen
computing specifically for tablet pcs--not other input devices.. Maybe I
lead a sheltered life, but I haven't noticed that tablets are universally
used although they get better and better fast.

You may see setup speed increase with builds, but a new build is not likely
to be faster in Vista at this point although maybe there is a surprise
there.

CH
 
So Far I am quite happy with Vista Beta 2. I can wait for RC1. I do not need to have the latest build. I know that these interim builds can be quite flakey.

William

Just curious.. through someone I know that's fair high up on MS in a
country, had a chance to try it this weekend (hey, he warned me, did I
really want to.). Well, I can only assume the kiddies believe winsupersite
as a spot on it's the truth site. While some things were nicer it broke just
as much as it fixed... IE7 had some issues, raid controller broke, epson
scanner de nada, canon scanner de nada, sound issues, some major disk
thrashing... needless to say he made me do a image of my beta 2 before he'd
let me try. And then that's why he said (somewhat smugly) is why interm
builds are not released to the public. I was glad to go back to beta2. Quite
frankly, I didn't notice any huge speed increases like has been claimed
either. But the moral of the story is, I've learned and I'll wait for RC1.
Sure, maybe some will have nothing but a good experience but on the other
hand......
 
Chad, the milestones for Vista are the firsts builds of Beta 1, Beta 2, RC1,
and the release. The builds in between are the interims. 5456 is an
interim.
 
Yep I know what they are Colin and it doesn't change anything I said. Major
parts of Vista that should never have been broken ain't getting fixed. It's
mostly about the money.

CH
 
Don't you think you're being a tad unfair? I mean, you're making accusations
about beta testers and Microsoft beta team members that I've never found to
be true.

Know exactly what you're talking about, and have proof before making these
types of accusations.
 
Nancy--

Of course I know exactly what I'm talking about. I see it right now.

I qualfied it by saying a part. I don't think I'm being unfair and all you
have to do is open your eyes.
Everything I said can be documented. If you can show me substantive
documentation on the major features of Vista anywhere that isn't a non-MSFT
book for sale, I'd love to see it.

The Vista Product Guide is an insult to anyone who wants substantive
technical info on the beta. I would think from what I'm seeing here that
recovering operating systems is somewhat important. If you can show me any
significant documentation on a MSFT site for this information seven weeks
after Vista has been released to the public, please do.

If you can show me how System Restore losing restore points or production of
them has been fixed, let me know.
If you can tell me why SFC /verifynow which doesn't fix anything is the way
it should work a year into Vista, let me know.

CH
 
I want Windows Vista Build 5456 Real Bad, because I was having problems with
my Windows Vista Beta 2 Installation going Corrupt anytime I install a whole
lot of Programs on the Computer (AWS Weather Bug 6.07 and Windows Live
Messenger 8.0 RTM are the Worst Offender's). As a Result, I will remain On
Windows Vista Beta Testing Strike until Microsoft gives us MSDN Tester's
Build 5456, so that I can make up my own mind just how good or bad it is,
Just FYI.
 
Build 5456 has huge compatability problems with applications. It won't even
run the setup program for Visual Studio... no error, just... nothing. It's
even worse than the beta 2 build. Err I mean build 5384.4.

- JB
 
That's a generalization and not indicative of all users. For me, 5456 is
smoking hot, faster than 5384 in all respects. I still dual boot, but I
spend *most* of my time in Vista. In general, the majority seem to find 5456
much quicker.
 
The quirk for me is that in 5384 x64 was a lot faster than x86 while in 5456
x64 has been sluggish but x86 is better. All I can figure is that it just
reflects the current state of my drivers, which of course are beta also.
 
I didn't say 5456 didn't run faster. It does.

But app compat is terrible for this build, stuff that worked with beta 2
doesn't on this one, which is what the OP was referring to.

- JB
 
My understanding of the genealogy is that 5456 is not a direct descendant of
5384, but much more like a younger second cousin.
 
It is the same branch.

Mark D. VandenBerg said:
My understanding of the genealogy is that 5456 is not a direct descendant
of 5384, but much more like a younger second cousin.
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Mark D. VandenBerg said:
My understanding of the genealogy is that 5456 is not a direct descendant
of 5384, but much more like a younger second cousin.
Click to expand...

Well, I hope it grows up fast :)

- JB
 
My understanding is that Vista's genetic pedigree, reflected in each build,
is one analagous to the intermarriage of several generations of brothers and
sisters and cousins, and that a recent careful pedigreee analysis parallels
that of non-autoimune hemophelia among Royals. The Royals also share the
Redmond mentality.

I think it pretty much follows the etiology of protiens gone bad and wild:

Victoria appears to have been a de novo case, as her mother's family is not
known to have had the disease, and it is improbable that Victoria's mother
had had a hemophiliac-suffering man siring her child: her husband, the Duke
of Kent, was not hemophiliac, and the probability of the Duchess to have had
a lover suffering from hemophilia is minuscule (in those centuries male
hemophiliacs tended not to sire children, as they died usually early).

The disease was passed on to:
a.. Princess Alice, who passed it onto at least three of her children:
b.. Princess Irene, who passed it onto two of her three sons: Waldemar and
Henry
c.. Prince Friedrich
d.. Princess Alix, who passed onto her only son, Alexei. Alexei's
hemophilia was one of the factors contributing to the collapse of Imperial
Russia during the Russian Revolution of 1917. One of Alexandra's daughters,
Maria is thought to have been a symptomatic carrier, due to the fact that
she haemorrhaged during a tonsilectomy.
e.. It does not appear that Princess Alice's oldest daughter Victoria,
maternal grandmother to Prince Philip, inherited the mutation, or if she
did, that she passed it on to her descendants. One of Alice's daughters,
Princess Elizabeth, remained childless, while another, Princess May, died in
childhood, so it is unknown if either would have been a carrier.
f.. Prince Leopold, a sufferer (one of the rare male hemophiliacs of such
early era who himself had children), who passed it onto his daughter, Alice,
who in turn passed it onto her older son, Rupert. The younger son, Maurice,
died in infancy, so it is not known if he was a sufferer.
g.. Princess Beatrice, who passed it on to at least two, if not three of
her four children:
h.. Princess Victoria Eugenie, who passed it onto Infante Alfonso, Prince
of the Asturias) and Infante Gonzalo. Her two daughters, Infanta Beatrice
and Infanta Maria Cristina, may be carriers, but none of their descendants
have had the disease as of 2004.
i.. Prince Leopold
j.. Prince Maurice (Several sources have mentioned that Prince Maurice was
a haemophiliac, while others dispute this. It is unknown if whether or not
he had the disease.)
CH
 
I want Windows Vista Build 5456 Real Bad, because I was having problems
with my Windows Vista Beta 2 Installation going Corrupt anytime I install a
whole lot of Programs on the Computer (AWS Weather Bug 6.07 and Windows
Live Messenger 8.0 RTM are the Worst Offender's). As a Result, I will
remain On Windows Vista Beta Testing Strike until Microsoft gives us MSDN
Tester's Build 5456, so that I can make up my own mind just how good or bad
it is, Just FYI.
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Kevin,

You were bitching about pre-Beta 2 releases before it came out and throwing
fits trying to get MS to send you newer builds. Now that it's been out for
a few weeks, you're repeating the same pattern. You're such a child. Grow
up.
 
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