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Yeh, I really am going to put the Bank Of England out of business with
my new £30 Lexmark.

We all do it for a laugh or just because we can and had no probs before,
just happened to try it
on my new machine and I get a warning about new software to stop forgeries.
Thanks Lexmark, but as you didn't stick a warning on the box saying what
I can and can't print,
I'd like to be the one who decides.

What next, no cartoons of G.W.B. or Tony Blair.

Anyone overcome this blight on our freedom ?
 
We all do it for a laugh or just because we can and had no probs
before, just happened to try it on my new machine and I get a
warning about new software to stop forgeries.
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Are you able to print such images in smaller or larger dimentions. Is
there a threathold to what percent of a bill you can print?

The funny thing is... as far as things you couldn't be doing... things
that don't affect your freedom too much but can really play havic with
a nation... is printing counterfit money. The only reason I can think
of for one to be printing copies of bills is if one is into bill
collecting, or if one wants to know what currency looks like. Not
allowing 1:1 ratio printing should stop help prevent idiot fraud and
permit the legit application of currency collecting or making a book of
foreign currency when you travel.
 
zakezuke said:
Are you able to print such images in smaller or larger dimentions. Is
there a threathold to what percent of a bill you can print?

The funny thing is... as far as things you couldn't be doing... things
that don't affect your freedom too much but can really play havic with
a nation... is printing counterfit money. The only reason I can think
of for one to be printing copies of bills is if one is into bill
collecting, or if one wants to know what currency looks like. Not
allowing 1:1 ratio printing should stop help prevent idiot fraud and
permit the legit application of currency collecting or making a book of
foreign currency when you travel.
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Erm... I would have thought it was pretty darned obvious why it's
illegal to print your own currency.

You have to wonder why Lexmark feel the need to put it in print though.
Perhaps someone tried to sue Lexmark for providing them with the ability
and not telling them in the same way that people with major heart
disease are trying to sue McDonalds for making them fat... Weird.
 
You have to wonder why Lexmark feel the need to put it in print though.

I think the parent means you get a warning when you try to print
currency. I would imagine that you get a warning so you don't think
your printer is broken when you try to print the currency.
Perhaps someone tried to sue Lexmark for providing them with the ability
and not telling them in the same way that people with major heart
disease are trying to sue McDonalds for making them fat... Weird
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Well that's the thing. Let's take stamp collecting. Perfectly normal
hobby alot of people are into. And let's say someone bought a printer
for the purpose of making copies of their collection only to discover
that for some odd reason it won't print stamps. This would be lawsuit
material, not for the money but for what one might see as fair use
rights. I think a happy medium in this case, though stamp
counterfiting is probally not really an issue, would be to not permit
printing 1:1, but rather any size above and below. Perfectly
acceptable for an index, and perfectly acceptable for enlargements.
I would have thought it was pretty darned obvious why it's illegal to print your own
currency.
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Keep in mind that there are people who don't think it's a problem, who
are not thinking about passing bum bills. I have for example made
bumperstickers with quotes from Thomas Jefferson and used an image from
the two dollar bill. I would be most annoyed if for example I could not
scan 25% of a bill to get a picture of a president to use on a sticker.




..
 
Keep in mind that there are people who don't think it's a problem, who
are not thinking about passing bum bills. I have for example made
bumperstickers with quotes from Thomas Jefferson and used an image from
the two dollar bill. I would be most annoyed if for example I could not
scan 25% of a bill to get a picture of a president to use on a sticker.
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Your $2 bill is here
http://www.banknotes.com/US497.JPG
 
Martin said:
You have to wonder why Lexmark feel the need to put it in print though.
Perhaps someone tried to sue Lexmark for providing them with the
ability and not telling them in the same way that people with major
heart disease are trying to sue McDonalds for making them fat... Weird.
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My Canon copier/printer has a sticker on it giving me a warning as to
the legal limitations, the operators manual also has a list - the one I
frequently breach is a statement about copying passports. I frequently
do photocopy people's passports in it, to satisfy money laundering
regulations that I know that people are who they say they are! They
mostly get copied in colour because I forget to press the black and
white button before copying!

Ooh, looking at the bottom of the page in the manual it says: This
copier is equipped with an anti-couterfeiting function. (If I stick
money in and press copy without enlarging it prints in magenta only)
 
Thanks Lexmark, but as you didn't stick a warning on the box saying what
I can and can't print,
I'd like to be the one who decides.
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I believe that early versions of PS didn't mind you scanning currency,
later versions won't let you. I'm not sure at what stage, or how the check
is made?
Same problem with PC DVD drives only allowing 5 region changes,
early ones had no restriction. Now with a drive locked to the wrong
region you can't play legitimately purchased DVD box sets, so there
is not much point in buying retail DVD's.
 
Raff said:
I think we're talking about the "Counterfeit Deterence System" here.
AFAIK, only certain American bills (the new 20s and 50s) are protected.
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Not true, look in your billfold and look at the
bills carefully.

Trying to making counterfeit bills is pretty silly
unless you have very expensive equipment and are
willing to go to prison for awhile.
You can't duplicate the paper, the little embedded
strips with the denomination on them, the
black/green ink, or the watermark. And a couple
of other things.
 
Trying to making counterfeit bills is pretty silly
unless you have very expensive equipment and are
willing to go to prison for awhile.
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You would think so... but apparently people have done it by going to
kinkos in the past. I know back 10 years ago I started to see signs at
the cash registers showing what counterfeit printed currency might look
like. These days it's common for me to see anytihng $20 and above to
be swipped with a highlighter, though someone did get the feds called
on them when the test showed the legit $2.00 bills the guy was paying
with ran a little bit, so I don't know how reliable that test is or if
cashiers actually look.
 
I believe that early versions of PS didn't mind you scanning currency,
later versions won't let you. I'm not sure at what stage, or how the check
is made?
Same problem with PC DVD drives only allowing 5 region changes,
early ones had no restriction. Now with a drive locked to the wrong
region you can't play legitimately purchased DVD box sets, so there
is not much point in buying retail DVD's.
Click to expand...

The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group (CBCDG) is responsible for
this change in practice
and I believe that the latest PS will not allow you to work with
Banknote images. Apparently scanners will
not work with these images along with the printers.
Its an interesting site instructing you on what is allowed ie; the image
must be 2/3 real size, printed on
other than paper, lettering must slope a certain angle. Even then some
Countries still will not allow it.
Check it out http://www.rulesforuse.org/pub/index.php?lang=en

Another scary development I came across was the fact that printers are
now in the process of playing
'Big Brother'. Many colour laser printers embed secret information in
every page they print, basically to identify us by.
A grid of 15 by 8 minuscule yellow dots on every colour page gives the
identity of your machine together with the
time and date. Read more at http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/

Can you imagine printing off a few anti-government or anti-war posters
incorporating pictures of dollar bills, what was
allowed as free speech could now get you in a whole lot of trouble with
your friendly PC giving you away.
 
zakezuke said:
You would think so... but apparently people have done it by going to
kinkos in the past. I know back 10 years ago I started to see signs at
the cash registers showing what counterfeit printed currency might look
like. These days it's common for me to see anytihng $20 and above to
be swipped with a highlighter, though someone did get the feds called
on them when the test showed the legit $2.00 bills the guy was paying
with ran a little bit, so I don't know how reliable that test is or if
cashiers actually look.
Click to expand...

People that handle money all day can tell
immediately that the paper is wrong in almost all
cases; the rest of us can't and are the ones
likely to get screwed. An enterprising person or
group near here got around this by washing $1
bills and then printing them as higher
denominations. As soon as someone looked for a
water mark and found none, the jig was up.
 
George said:
People that handle money all day can tell immediately that the paper is
wrong in almost all cases; the rest of us can't and are the ones likely
to get screwed. An enterprising person or group near here got around
this by washing $1 bills and then printing them as higher
denominations. As soon as someone looked for a water mark and found
none, the jig was up.
Click to expand...

Example of the worst possible situation: clerk at B of A cashes a check
for you and passes a counterfeit bill to you. You leave the counter but
not the bank. Examining the money you think one of the bills is bogus
and go back to the same clerk.
Guess what?
You're stuck with it!
Frank
 
People that handle money all day can tell
immediately that the paper is wrong in almost all
cases; the rest of us can't and are the ones
likely to get screwed.
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Really? I tend to meet two types of cashiers... ones that hardly
bother to look and the ones who use a highlighter on $20 and above and
don't know $2.00 is a legit bill. I imagine there are cashiers out
there who actually do know the look and feel of real money, but I don't
think i've met any... except perhaps the bank.
 
Raff said:
I think we're talking about the "Counterfeit Deterence System" here.
AFAIK, only certain American bills (the new 20s and 50s) are protected.
See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

Raff
Click to expand...

The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group (CBCDG) is responsible for
this change in practice
and I believe that the latest PS will not allow you to work with
Banknote images. Apparently scanners will
not work with these images along with the printers.
Its an interesting site instructing you on what is allowed ie; the image
must be 2/3 real size, printed on
other than paper, lettering must slope at a certain angle. Even then
some Countries still will not allow it.
Check it out http://www.rulesforuse.org/pub/index.php?lang=en

Another scary development I came across was the fact that printers are
now in the process of playing
'Big Brother'. Many colour laser printers embed secret information in
every page they print, basically to identify us by.
A grid of 15 by 8 minuscule yellow dots on every colour page gives the
identity of your machine together with the
time and date. Read more at http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/

Can you imagine printing off a few anti-government or anti-war posters
incorporating pictures of dollar bills, what was
allowed as free speech could now get you in a whole lot of trouble with
your friendly PC giving you away.
 
milou said:
You mean people can't scan / print this $100 bill?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/kollerm2/images/100_dollars_without_god.jpg
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That's what prompted me to post in the first place, I'd never had
trouble scanning
and printing in the past until my printer packed in. The new one, or its
software screwed
this up and whilst I can still scan 'notes' I've not found a way of
bringing the printer back
under my control.

So if you can do it now upgrading your hardware or even software -
Photoshop will no
longer accept images of banknotes - will put an end to your experimenting.
 
Actually, that older style bill probably can be scanned and printed
without an issue. The newer bills in many currencies have a special
starlike pattern going through them that alerts the scanner/printer or
software to them.

Art
 
Frank said:
Example of the worst possible situation: clerk at B of A cashes a check
for you and passes a counterfeit bill to you. You leave the counter but
not the bank. Examining the money you think one of the bills is bogus
and go back to the same clerk.
Guess what?
You're stuck with it!
Frank
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Yep, I asked a teller what would happen if she
passed me some counterfeit and she said what you
said. But she said they didn't know of any
counterfeit bills there.

OTOH, I'll bet that if you went to the manager and
said that you were calling a TV new station to
tell them that your bank was passing counterfeit
bills, the manager might decide to replace the
counterfeit bills. If not, you could certainly
get on TV.
 
George said:
Yep, I asked a teller what would happen if she passed me some
counterfeit and she said what you said. But she said they didn't know
of any counterfeit bills there.

OTOH, I'll bet that if you went to the manager and said that you were
calling a TV new station to tell them that your bank was passing
counterfeit bills, the manager might decide to replace the counterfeit
bills. If not, you could certainly get on TV.
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Smile :-), your on TV!
Frank
 
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