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puss
NOT IT DOES NOT, only in the R800 and may be up.
Get some facts right next time you post..
NOT IT DOES NOT, only in the R800 and may be up.
Get some facts right next time you post..
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puss
80 year Life, Dumbo..
Dye inks just don't last..
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puss
No, its the Ink that corrodes the printhead, Head Rot..
The iP4000 is only a 3 colour Printer.
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puss
No need as they are the Dearest out, no comparison..
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Brendan R. Wehrung
Hecate said:
Hasn't happened to me, at least to my Z52, which is 4 years old. Don't
know about the 5700 that preceded it, but I think the problem was a bad
cable. (Didn't worry about it since I'd bought the Z52.) I avoided Epson
becauase of all the clogged head posts, favoring long-term use, which so
far has proved true. Cartridges are expensive but go on sale at Target.
Brendan
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Ron Cohen
The iP4000 is a four color, not a three color, CMYK printer. It also has an
additional pigmented black tank for text printing.
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Ron Cohen
additional pigmented black tank for text printing.
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Ron Cohen
that take our breath away. (George Carlin)
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puss
Its a 3 Colour, Black is NOT a COLOUR..
The Epson R200/210 is a 5 Colour, Plus Black..
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Arthur Entlich
The gloss optimizer is found in the newest Epson printer(s) which use
pigmented inks. I do not believe Canon has yet sold pigmented ink for
their printers. Pigmented inks, by their very nature, have solid
material in them which doesn't absorb as well into the surface of
papers. Dye inks are mainly carrier and molecular color, so the color
components are very small and very thin and smooth. They either sit
very evenly on top of the paper, or get absorbed and integrated into the
paper,. leaving the surface of a very glossy paper surface very glossy.
Pigmented inks tend to have a rougher and thicker layer, and so a "gloss
optimizer" coats the surface to make it shinier. Also, the papers that
readily handle pigmented ink tend to be less glossy.
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pigmented inks. I do not believe Canon has yet sold pigmented ink for
their printers. Pigmented inks, by their very nature, have solid
material in them which doesn't absorb as well into the surface of
papers. Dye inks are mainly carrier and molecular color, so the color
components are very small and very thin and smooth. They either sit
very evenly on top of the paper, or get absorbed and integrated into the
paper,. leaving the surface of a very glossy paper surface very glossy.
Pigmented inks tend to have a rougher and thicker layer, and so a "gloss
optimizer" coats the surface to make it shinier. Also, the papers that
readily handle pigmented ink tend to be less glossy.
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SleeperMan
Arthur said:
Canon's black is pigmented...
BTW...i just bought (on resale) some HP semiglossy photo paper, but it's
quite useless in my Canon...either i550 or ip4000.
it's like colors don't absorb, or like printer spits too much of it...
It's fine with other brands of paper, though...
Maybe paper is meant for other type of ink...?
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Arthur Entlich
Pigmented inks have much higher permanence in light fading situations
than do dye inks, regardless of paper type. Some dye inks with the
right combination of paper can have reasonable light fade resistance.
Pigmented inks tend to be waterproof and smudge-resistant with most
papers, again with the right paper so can dye.
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than do dye inks, regardless of paper type. Some dye inks with the
right combination of paper can have reasonable light fade resistance.
Pigmented inks tend to be waterproof and smudge-resistant with most
papers, again with the right paper so can dye.
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SleeperMan
Arthur said:
Aha.. thanks
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Arthur Entlich
It would appear you both are saying the exact same thing...
You were a bit more specific as to what each black does.
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The Nearest New Canon is the PIXMA iP4000, but its still only a 3 colour
You were a bit more specific as to what each black does.
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Ron said:
The Nearest New Canon is the PIXMA iP4000, but its still only a 3 colour
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SleeperMan
Arthur said:
Pigmented black (BCI-3e) is used for text printing, while dye black (BCI-6)
is used for photo printing. Since colors are dye, dye black mix better with
them than pigment one ---> more quality at photos.
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Arthur Entlich
In most cases, black pigmented inks do not play well with colored inks
that are dye. They require different papers and they don't mix well.
As a result today most printer manufacturers which offer pigmented black
ink (which is great for text, because it is usually deep black and tends
to have lower dot gain or bleeding) often also offer a second black
which is dye for missing with the colors for a photographic image.
When I make the distinction between the Epson pigmented ink series
printers and the Canon dye printers, I am speaking about the overall ink
system, not just the black ink.
HP glossy photo quality papers are mainly swellable polymer type, and
some inks do not do well with that paper technology. I believe Canon
tends to do best with Micropore papers.
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that are dye. They require different papers and they don't mix well.
As a result today most printer manufacturers which offer pigmented black
ink (which is great for text, because it is usually deep black and tends
to have lower dot gain or bleeding) often also offer a second black
which is dye for missing with the colors for a photographic image.
When I make the distinction between the Epson pigmented ink series
printers and the Canon dye printers, I am speaking about the overall ink
system, not just the black ink.
HP glossy photo quality papers are mainly swellable polymer type, and
some inks do not do well with that paper technology. I believe Canon
tends to do best with Micropore papers.
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SleeperMan
Arthur said:
Agreed. i guess that's why iP4000 has two blacks...
Regarding HP paper...i learned my lesson, i guess...
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Hecate
You're one of the lucky ones. Virtually every post on this ng about
Lexmark is to do with them breaking down in one way or another.
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Ron Cohen
So are you saying that black isn't a color? Why else would Canon have both a
dye based black and pigmented black? Gee after all those years of owning
print shops and using black ink I never once realized that black wasn't a
color. I bet Pantone will be surprised to learn that black isn't a color.
BTW, do you know what the K in CMYK stands for?
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Ron Cohen
dye based black and pigmented black? Gee after all those years of owning
print shops and using black ink I never once realized that black wasn't a
color. I bet Pantone will be surprised to learn that black isn't a color.
BTW, do you know what the K in CMYK stands for?
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Ron Cohen
that take our breath away. (George Carlin)
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SleeperMan
Ron said:
Nice one... this link
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/CMYK.html
explains that black IS a color...
BTW...i didn't know what this K means, until just now...it's stupid, really,
why it isn't B...
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Arthur Entlich
B is not used for black because it is used for Blue in abbreviation.
I'm not sure how it became K, but I imagine it was first BK, but that
looked like Blue something, so they just went to K.
In light, black is the absence of color, and all colors together make
white. In dyes and pigments black is the mixture of all color, and
white is the absence of color.
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I'm not sure how it became K, but I imagine it was first BK, but that
looked like Blue something, so they just went to K.
In light, black is the absence of color, and all colors together make
white. In dyes and pigments black is the mixture of all color, and
white is the absence of color.
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Hecate
But not really very accurate
Try this from Britannica:
the achromatic color of least lightness characteristically perceived
to belong to objects that neither reflect nor transmit light
and,
total or nearly total absence of light
As you see, neither agree that black is a colour precisely