which do you prefer ? XP or Vista?

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Alias said:
If something is priced at 100 euro, your VAT will be 16% or 116 euro on
most things, including services. It stands for Value Added Tax.

For Americans, the euro zone and the UK are very expensive nowadays. Ever
since Bush took over and squandered the US Treasury, supported by the
Republican Congress, it's gotten more and more expensive. Before Bush,
Spain was very cheap for Americans but the dollar was strong back then,
not worth the .75 euro that it's worth now.
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When I traveled Europe in 2000 I got 1.1 euros per dollar. Australia was
hugely better...aus$ was 57 cents. You could stay in five star hotels for a
pittance.

I wouldn't vacation outside the US until the Euro, which is hugely hugely
overvalued, gets in line.
 
Ron said:
Ubuntu, lack of compatiable hardware and software and VERY limited support.
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No problem with hardware on an old box that I put it on. With the SAME
box, XP didn't recognize the ATI video card or the audio card. It comes
with hundreds of kinds of software. There are newsgroups and other forum
for Ubuntu. You're just blowing hot air.

Alias
 
Saucy said:
Take a trip to the local computer store. Vista's name is on every
computer .. vouchers for it come with every computer purchase. For Xp
it's curtains ..
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Maybe in your country it is, not here. Not one single computer store
here has "Vista ready" computers with coupons. MS, traditionally, uses
the USA to finally test their operating systems. IOW, YOU are one of MS'
guinea pigs. You can, however, find many computer stores that will
install Linux for free.

I plan to use XP for years and it will work; there will be updates and,
well, you're wrong. Why anyone would want to buy an OS that is riddled
with DRM and requires hardware purchases just boggles the mind.

Vista: the beginning of the end for MS operating systems.

Alias
 
Ron said:
But Alias alot of people ARE buying new computers!
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Most people in Spain buy white boxes. Remember, this is an international
newsgroup.
People are moving to the
Multi processor computers, Microsoft is timing the release of Vista
perfectly. Millions of people and businesses will be upgrading in the coming
year and its safe to say most of those machines will contain Vista. I am one
of these people, I had been pondering a new computer for quite some time,
Vista simple hastened by purchase (that and the sweet deal I got on it).
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I never said there aren't a lot of naive people in the USA who will pony
up to buy the latest and "greatest". Just watch this newsgroup after
Jan. 30th to see the overwhelming negative reaction. The ONLY people
here that are raving about Vista are techies because Vista isn't
available to the public yet.

Alias
 
Colin said:
So the VAT is not applied at the wholesale level, then again at the
distribution level, and once again at the retail level? It is only
applied once like our sales taxes?
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No, it is applied only once, at the retail level.

Alias
 
Alias said:
No problem with hardware on an old box that I put it on. With the
SAME box, XP didn't recognize the ATI video card or the audio card.
It comes with hundreds of kinds of software. There are newsgroups and
other forum for Ubuntu. You're just blowing hot air.
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I can never understand why "supporters" of something like XP or Vista
feel they have to post rubbish when they are discussing other o/s'. As
you say, there are thousands of apps available for Ubuntu, I have yet
to find hardware that Ubuntu doesn't recognise - on my Ubuntu pc XP and
Vista couldn't find drivers for the SATA drives and the soundcard, both
of which Ubuntu picked-up without any problems.

Personally speaking, as a very new Ubuntu user I've had loads of
support from Ubuntu and Linux newsgroups and forums.

It seems that Ron K has a very closed mind.
 
Quanta said:
When I traveled Europe in 2000 I got 1.1 euros per dollar. Australia was
hugely better...aus$ was 57 cents. You could stay in five star hotels for a
pittance.

I wouldn't vacation outside the US until the Euro, which is hugely hugely
overvalued, gets in line.
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Um, the dollar is low because of Bush's and the former Republican
Congress' free spending. Both budget deficits are the underlying cause,
along with many central banks ditching dollars in favor of euros. And,
if you think it's bad now, most OPEC countries will be charging euros
for their oil instead of dollars. Get ready for $4 a gallon gas. Blaming
it on the euro zone where deficits and inflation are controlled is naive.

Alias
 
Paul-B said:
I can never understand why "supporters" of something like XP or Vista
feel they have to post rubbish when they are discussing other o/s'. As
you say, there are thousands of apps available for Ubuntu, I have yet
to find hardware that Ubuntu doesn't recognise - on my Ubuntu pc XP and
Vista couldn't find drivers for the SATA drives and the soundcard, both
of which Ubuntu picked-up without any problems.

Personally speaking, as a very new Ubuntu user I've had loads of
support from Ubuntu and Linux newsgroups and forums.

It seems that Ron K has a very closed mind.
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Looks like... I had pleasure in installing OpenSUSE 10.2 in dual boot
with WinXP_SP2 - very smooth as compared to, e.g., SuSE 7.2...

And Ron K is out-of-date, regarding the new co-operation between Sun
and Microsoft!

Roy
 
Well, Cindy Crawford may not be all over the runway or
all over magazines anymore, but she's still hot and she still
works.

By the way, dufus- I like Vista, but XP is far from "dead".


-Michael
 
that doesn't mean I am going to scrap a
perfectly good computer to have a DRM riddled OS
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That to.
More perfectly good O/S have been killed for the *new, Better* model.

I still have a networked MSDOS machine that does a great job at its
SOLE purpose (program) it is designated to do. No worrying about
someone loading games/music players or other Spyware (DRM?).

Oh! Did I say that it also does it with less than 16 *MEG* of Ram?
BTW I was using Unix /before/ MSDOS appeared on a desktop.
 
Colin said:
So the VAT is not applied at the wholesale level, then again at the
distribution level, and once again at the retail level? It is only
applied once like our sales taxes?
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Vat is not the problem here. The problem here is price inflation and utterly
shamless behaviour on the part of most major American corporations in their
dealings with the rest of the world.

A quick search on Froogle.com shows Windows Vista Ultimate available for
$367 USD.
A quick search on Froogle.co.uk shows Windows Vista Ultimate available for
£362 GB Pounds, which my current currency conversion website of choice shows
as being $710 USD (1GBP to 1.96372 USD).

UK Sales tax, aka VAT, is 17.5%. I think we can safely decide that an
increase of $343 USD is not all down to sales tax/VAT and shipping costs.
 
Quanta said:
When I traveled Europe in 2000 I got 1.1 euros per dollar. Australia
was hugely better...aus$ was 57 cents. You could stay in five star
hotels for a pittance.

I wouldn't vacation outside the US until the Euro, which is hugely
hugely overvalued, gets in line.
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So now its the rest of the world's fault that the US can't control its own
economy?

Maybe I've got all of Saddams WMDs buried under my patio too and that was
why no one could find them in Iraq?
 
Robert Moir said:
A quick search on Froogle.com shows Windows Vista Ultimate available for
$367 USD.
A quick search on Froogle.co.uk shows Windows Vista Ultimate available for
£362 GB Pounds, which my current currency conversion website of choice
shows as being $710 USD (1GBP to 1.96372 USD).

UK Sales tax, aka VAT, is 17.5%. I think we can safely decide that an
increase of $343 USD is not all down to sales tax/VAT and shipping costs.
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My wife is Welsh and most of her family is still there. Our Christmas
shopping was about 50% at Amazon.com and 50% at Amazon.co.uk OK, we did buy
a few things elsewhere ....

I am about the say something nice about MSFT -- good grief! It has been a
few days ... lol.

They ain't the only ones! Making a thingie manufactured in China (isn't
everything?) 220V compatible cannot explain the ridiculous price disparities
in the UK versus the US. It is, as you suggest, ALMOST 1 to 1 when the
pound is nearly 2 to 1 versus the dollar at the moment.
 
Think maybe you are paying your fair share of those stupid EU fines
Microsoft had to pay.
 
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