Where's a CD-RW formatter?

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:28:09 +1000, Daeron

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Dump MickyShaft-Windows & upgrade to Unix & then you
wouldn't have to ask dumb questions like this. :)
I got one client to switch to Linux...but he had to go
back to Windoze, as the business software he required
was NOT Unix friendly. And it just goes on and on from
there. :(

Personally, I can go ahead and run Linux exclusively on
my systems. (Except for printing, which results are
much POORER in Linux, than in Windoze...or even DOS.)

Are you claiming there is BETTER RW-CD software for
*nices? Would the CDs themselves be more reliable as
backup storage, as a result?

THANKS EVERYONE, esp. dadiOH, for your excellent input.
I have learned SO MUCH about RW-CD technology in such a
short time. General conclusion: DON'T use CD's for
backup...even when mastering (as opposed to
"packet-writing"). My client still has the LS-120
superdrive...I'll just get him to purchase more
floppies before they stop making them! The superdrive
has been HIGHLY RELIABLE as a backup medium...
considerably more than tapes, that's for sure!

Now, I must DIGEST all the wonderful feedback posted,
esp. the links w/more info. I MUCH appreciate all
the sharp minds paired with generosity to share
knowledge.
 
George said:
Aha, found the sony one, go to

http://sony.storagesupport.com/cdrw/crx10ua2dwn.htm

and download the one called Sony Vaio abCD 1.6.184 Upgrade

http://sony.storagesupport.com/legalagreement.zulu?dlid=cdrw/downloads/crx1
0ua2/SonyabCD1.6.184Setup.exe
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Yes, but:

1. will it work with burners made by other manufacturers?
2. is it really intended to be freeware?

Usually, such programs from competing companies are incompatible when
run on the same system. Even though I'm using the dreaded EasyCD
Cremator (AKA EasyCoaster Creator), I'm not sure I'd want to uninstall
it in order to use this Sony software if it turns out to be legitimate
freeware.
Still, Chief Thracian (the original OP) might want to look at it.

Thanks again, George.
 
ISO Level 2 long allows 212 characters. CDExtreme can use it. I use
it. There is no packet writer with CDExtreme so there is no conflict
with other programs.
--
dadiOH
________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.0...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://www.gbronline.com/xico/
_________________________________
 
Mcubed said:
The unreliability of CD-RW has at least partly to do with the type of
dye that is used on the disc and its susceptibility to fading or
discoloring after it's burned by the writer's laser. There's more to
it that I don't really understand (or care enough to understand <g>)
-- it was enough for me to know that my problems with these discs
(disappearing or unreadable data) weren't the result of user error,
but were inherent to the format itself.
Click to expand...
<snip>

Thanks for all that information. Makes me wonder if CD-RW is going to be
one of those flash in the pan storage media; unless of course they
manage to improve on or replace the internals of the process.

cheers
 
"Not Found
The requested URL /service/cdr/drivers/cdrw/incd227.exe was not found
on this server."

and I don't think it was freeware anyway.
Click to expand...

It is not. Nero's InCD is not freeware nor is it ever likely to be
freeware.
Thanks for trying though, George.
Click to expand...

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dadiOH said:
ISO Level 2 long
Click to expand...

I think my computer vendor's tech support calls that "Relaxed ISO
restrictions."
allows 212 characters. CDExtreme can use it.
http://www.shareup.com/dadioh/cdextreme.html

I use it. There is no packet writer with CDExtreme so there
is no conflict with other programs.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, when I click on your link that says "update", I get the
following error message:

"Forbidden. You don't have permission to access /cdrw/downloads/ on
this server."


This is probably a stupid question, but what about other computers
being able to read the long file names?

I'm definitely interested in this program. Anything to get away from
EasyCD Destroyer. 80)>
 
Alan said:
<snip>

Thanks for all that information. Makes me wonder if CD-RW is going to be
one of those flash in the pan storage media; unless of course they
manage to improve on or replace the internals of the process.

cheers
Click to expand...

Alan,
Here's a little more info you may or may not need:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1402533.stm

Also, check out this site:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/

It's got some freeware listed there and has lots of info about CDs and
DVDs.
 
You went to the wrong place. When I first wrote my help file, Shareup
wanted to do an HTML version and put it on their site. Well and good;
however, their HTML version doesn't reflect updates and newer
(changed) URLs. The links in my current version 3.0 on my page all
work AFAIK. It *is* a help file, though, so you have to d/l it to
read it. Isn't all that big...
________________

Well, the way file names are read is a function of the OS, not the
burning program so NP.

--
dadiOH
________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.0...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://www.gbronline.com/xico/
_________________________________
 
dadiOH said:
John Corliss wrote:

Well, the way file names are read is a function of the OS, not the
burning program so NP.
Click to expand...

It can be a problem depending on the OS. You won't be able to read
those files from DOS. They will be readable from any version of
windows, even 95. I believe they are readable from linux, unix, and
mac, as well, but I don't have any direct experience with those.

Terry
 
Terry said:
It can be a problem depending on the OS. You won't be able to read
those files from DOS. They will be readable from any version of
windows, even 95. I believe they are readable from linux, unix, and
mac, as well, but I don't have any direct experience with those.
Click to expand...

Macs wouldn't be able to read anything longer than 30 something
characters (I forget exactly what the limitation is.) At least that's
what I've heard.
 
dadiOH said:
You went to the wrong place. When I first wrote my help file, Shareup
wanted to do an HTML version and put it on their site. Well and good;
however, their HTML version doesn't reflect updates and newer
(changed) URLs. The links in my current version 3.0 on my page all
work AFAIK. It *is* a help file, though, so you have to d/l it to
Click to expand...

That would be:

http://sony.storagesupport.com/legalagreement.zulu?dlid=cdrw/downloads/SonyCDExtremeUpdate.zip

However, on the page where that link is, there is the following:

"(This update is not compatible with CD-RW drives produced by other
manufacturers.)"


I guess the Prassi update might cover my drive. However, I don't see
it (PlexWriter 40/12/40A) listed at this link:

http://eval.veritas.com/downloads/pro/px358.pdf
read it. Isn't all that big...
Click to expand...

Downloaded and will read it after I post this. This is a real neat
thing you've written and it covers something that I've wanted to try
for a while (burning LPs to CD.)
Well, the way file names are read is a function of the OS, not the
burning program so NP.
Click to expand...

Great! Thanks for all your help. Hope CDExtreme will work with my burner.
 
Terry said:
It can be a problem depending on the OS. You won't be able to read
those files from DOS. They will be readable from any version of
windows, even 95.
Click to expand...

Ah, minor correction to myself. You won't be able to read those files
from DOS or from Windows 3.x. Any 32-bit version of windows can read
them.

Terry
 
Terry said:
It can be a problem depending on the OS. You won't be able to read
those files from DOS. They will be readable from any version of
windows, even 95. I believe they are readable from linux, unix, and
mac, as well, but I don't have any direct experience with those.

Terry
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http://www.cdrfaq.org/

So much information that the main problem is finding it . . .

[3-10] How do I make a CD that will work on a PC or a Mac?
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-35

[5-18] What do I need to record on a UNIX (Linux, Solaris, etc) system?
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq05.html#S5-18

Susan
 
Alan said:
Thanks for all that information. Makes me wonder if CD-RW is going to be
one of those flash in the pan storage media; unless of course they
manage to improve on or replace the internals of the process.
Click to expand...

There seems to be little demand for erasable toner in photocopiers.

CD-RW packets are unreliable. period, full stop.

Write data on CD-RW packet, lock in safe,
write combination on post-it note next to open window.
Next morning, note gone, or disc gone, or safe gone, or data corrupt.
 
bambam said:
Some related info-

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-40
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Thanks! Now that I'm learning about CD-RW technology, here is my contribution:

CD-R RELIABILITY REPORT
http://www.pcbuyersguide.com/hardware/storage/CD-R_reliability_reports.html

Testing, Testing. . .CD-R
http://www.cdpage.com/dstuff/BobDana296.html

CD-RW.org
http://cd-rw.org/index-menu.cfm

How It Works: CD-R & CD-RW
http://www.doyencomputers.com/cd.htm

CD-R Media Longevity
http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/Longevity.html

That's it for now! Glad to finally become "CD smart". :P
 
What about CD's burned in Windows, will Macs read the long names, or
the DOS 8.3 truncated ones? (I've had trouble with long file names on
Zip disks with macs before due to something with the way Windows does
them; names will default to a maximum 8.3 length.)
Click to expand...

Sorry, that I couldn't tell you. My guess though, is that it would
read the truncated ones.
 
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