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Homer J. Simpson
Someone got it. 
I'm pedantic in that way. Nice to meet you.
I'm pedantic in that way. Nice to meet you.
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Colin Barnhorst
He probably knows the same way some of the rest of us do. And he is right
and he is wrong. It looks like there will be another interim build released
to TechBeta (most likely next week) and it will be more of an RC1 preview
than anything else. That will put RC1 official release into September.
and he is wrong. It looks like there will be another interim build released
to TechBeta (most likely next week) and it will be more of an RC1 preview
than anything else. That will put RC1 official release into September.
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Jimmy Brush
Unless they do what they did right before the beta2 release. But hopefully
they will give us more time to send feedback this time
- JB
Vista Support FAQ
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
they will give us more time to send feedback this time
- JB
Vista Support FAQ
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
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Chad Harris
I long ago learned that MSFT belongs to the "consistency is the hobgoblin of
little minds" school of time tables, but if RC1 were put off into September
mightn't that suggest that the handwriting on the wall is for the RTM date
to back up into Spring 2007?
CH
little minds" school of time tables, but if RC1 were put off into September
mightn't that suggest that the handwriting on the wall is for the RTM date
to back up into Spring 2007?
CH
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Colin Barnhorst
Why? They have never said anything other than that RC1 would be in this
quarter.
quarter.
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Chad Harris
How about we do some kind of side bet as to RTM date then? You have all the
inside baseball at Redmond.
CH
inside baseball at Redmond.
CH
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Colin Barnhorst
I bet you a virtual steak dinner that rtm is in Q4 2006 and the Date of
General Public Availability is in Q1 2007. MS has to meet Software
Assurance contracts that will be up for renewal at the end of 2006. The
alternatives all hurt the revenue stream and set a bad precedent with
regards to SA contract extensions.
General Public Availability is in Q1 2007. MS has to meet Software
Assurance contracts that will be up for renewal at the end of 2006. The
alternatives all hurt the revenue stream and set a bad precedent with
regards to SA contract extensions.
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Alex Plantema
In schreef Colin Barnhorst:
Then it will be full of errors, and as updates only fix security holes, there will be a second edition, or whatever they will call it.
So it's better to skip the first version at all.
Then it will be full of errors, and as updates only fix security holes, there will be a second edition, or whatever they will call it.
So it's better to skip the first version at all.
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Colin Barnhorst
If you are judging on build 5384 or 5472, then of course. But those builds
are ancient history now.
Second editions, as you call them, are now called "Release 2."
are ancient history now.
Second editions, as you call them, are now called "Release 2."
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CH
You raise thorough good power point bullets as always. There are also other
considerations. When Allchin gave his first conference with reporters and
representatives of investment houses, he also brought in as did people who
track the components of the symbiotic relationship of a Windows launch and
new PC/HDW sales the timing of boats that bring in considerable parts
probably because of the heightened fuel costs of sending that many of them
in via air freight.
I also was sorry to see that week so many reflex articles and comments in
the major media that were way off the mark -- long articles that used it as
a spinoff to chronicle MSFT that "MSFT has really slipped" that their is
disorder in the organization, etc. etc. some of which were in the NYTimes
and Washington Post and IBD when I viewed it simply that Allchin and the
people who really architected and understood Windows listened to the teams,
and everyone felt that they had things to coordinate and bugs to fix and
they needed more time. I don't think any of those misguided comments phased
them then a bit, because they had been determined to turn some real corners
with Vista and the Longhorn server road map, and change the course of
applications that would come in its wake and I hope they wouldn't now
because I want ***6 more months***of fixing and coordination.
They can and will adjust their SAs and EAs and incentivesand have to find
all kinds of ways to sweeten them. 50% have SA on Office and Windows and
65-70% have SA on server products according to Gartner, and whatever
percentage there are who are EA vs. volume licenses through Select and Open.
But what is far worse is to meet the SAs with a huge disappointment. Again,
and I have a big collection of these type articles, many from MVPs and long
time tech writers who have followed Windows:
MS tweaks Software Assurance again; Prices frozen
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/ms_software_assurance_tweaked/
No special breaks for Windows Vista customers: Microsoft
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/10/microsoft_sa_windows_vista/
Microsoft to Pay Reparations for Vista, Office Delays
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060808/tc_zd/185611
Microsoft Refines Software Assurance for 2006
http://www.itjungle.com/two/two092105-story02.html
I want to make it easy for you to cook the steak correctly in the ballparks
of Peter Leuger's
Raw Materials
http://www.egullet.org/tdg.cgi?pg=ARTICLE-cutletsluger2
http://www.goodcooking.com/steak/steak.htm
Recipe
http://www.thatsmyhome.com/cattlemans/steveg.htm
CH
considerations. When Allchin gave his first conference with reporters and
representatives of investment houses, he also brought in as did people who
track the components of the symbiotic relationship of a Windows launch and
new PC/HDW sales the timing of boats that bring in considerable parts
probably because of the heightened fuel costs of sending that many of them
in via air freight.
I also was sorry to see that week so many reflex articles and comments in
the major media that were way off the mark -- long articles that used it as
a spinoff to chronicle MSFT that "MSFT has really slipped" that their is
disorder in the organization, etc. etc. some of which were in the NYTimes
and Washington Post and IBD when I viewed it simply that Allchin and the
people who really architected and understood Windows listened to the teams,
and everyone felt that they had things to coordinate and bugs to fix and
they needed more time. I don't think any of those misguided comments phased
them then a bit, because they had been determined to turn some real corners
with Vista and the Longhorn server road map, and change the course of
applications that would come in its wake and I hope they wouldn't now
because I want ***6 more months***of fixing and coordination.
They can and will adjust their SAs and EAs and incentivesand have to find
all kinds of ways to sweeten them. 50% have SA on Office and Windows and
65-70% have SA on server products according to Gartner, and whatever
percentage there are who are EA vs. volume licenses through Select and Open.
But what is far worse is to meet the SAs with a huge disappointment. Again,
and I have a big collection of these type articles, many from MVPs and long
time tech writers who have followed Windows:
MS tweaks Software Assurance again; Prices frozen
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/ms_software_assurance_tweaked/
No special breaks for Windows Vista customers: Microsoft
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/10/microsoft_sa_windows_vista/
Microsoft to Pay Reparations for Vista, Office Delays
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060808/tc_zd/185611
Microsoft Refines Software Assurance for 2006
http://www.itjungle.com/two/two092105-story02.html
I want to make it easy for you to cook the steak correctly in the ballparks
of Peter Leuger's
Raw Materials
http://www.egullet.org/tdg.cgi?pg=ARTICLE-cutletsluger2
http://www.goodcooking.com/steak/steak.htm
Recipe
http://www.thatsmyhome.com/cattlemans/steveg.htm
CH