Want to play Doom 3?

  • Thread starter Thread starter JK
  • Start date Start date
DeMoN said:
I already bought the game. I never expected that the game would destroy my
system so badly (sub 30 FPS on "medium" quality). I don't have a dream
gaming rig, but Doom3 definitely makes me want to upgrade:
XP3200+
PC3200 512megs RAM
GeForce4 Ti4400

Still I think the game is amazing.
Click to expand...

From the detailed review I saw, video card makes a HUGE difference.
The Gefore4 Ti4400 is near the minimum spec (either lowest or second to
lowest). The game works great at 3200+ and 512MB RAM. But without a
better video card, that is the limiting factor. You need at least an FX
or Radeon 9600 for acceptable performance, and don't expect great
performance without the latest PC-Express video cards.

Alex
 
Christopher said:
IIRC it was Wolfenstein 3D.
Click to expand...

Right. Wolfenstein came before d00m, but d00m was the biggy. Duke 3D
came after d00m. At the time d00m first came out all you had was Duke
2d, which wasn't that easy BTW.
 
JK said:
Doom 3 is great with the Athlon 64 3200+. The Athlon XP3200+
is not so great for the Doom 3.
Click to expand...

My XP3200+ is fine for now, not spending $50 on the game and then spending
another $500 on hardware to play it. I don't care that I'm only "mediocre"
 
From the detailed review I saw, video card makes a HUGE difference.
The Gefore4 Ti4400 is near the minimum spec (either lowest or second
to lowest). The game works great at 3200+ and 512MB RAM. But without
a better video card, that is the limiting factor. You need at least
an FX or Radeon 9600 for acceptable performance, and don't expect
great performance without the latest PC-Express video cards.

Alex
Click to expand...



I'm glad that Bicycle Casino/card games is about the extent of my PC
gaming. My crappy video card -- a built in ProSavage -- kicks ass when
it comes to Bicycle Casino!
 
From the detailed review I saw, video card makes a HUGE difference.
The Gefore4 Ti4400 is near the minimum spec (either lowest or second to
lowest). The game works great at 3200+ and 512MB RAM. But without a
better video card, that is the limiting factor. You need at least an FX
or Radeon 9600 for acceptable performance, and don't expect great
performance without the latest PC-Express video cards.
Click to expand...

Minimum spec from ID is a Geforce 4 MX. A Radeon 9600 may not be
substantially better than the TI4400. Radeon 9700 might be a
more reasonable minimum spec for 1024x768 or higher res.
 
Plato said:
Serious? That's not enough for 3?
Click to expand...

Nope, the video card is killing you there.. Even in my A64 3000+ & ATI
Radeon 9600XT, I just have to run the game in 800x600 + medium quality in
order to enjoy smooth gameplay. The game is ridicules, you pretty much need
the latest greatest to enjoy it at higher res/quality.

Carlo
 
kony said:
Minimum spec from ID is a Geforce 4 MX. A Radeon 9600 may not be
substantially better than the TI4400. Radeon 9700 might be a
more reasonable minimum spec for 1024x768 or higher res.
Click to expand...

Well, yes. I said for "acceptable performance". The review I saw
showed GeForce4 based stuck at 640x480, Radeon 9600 doing 800x600, and
Radeon 9800 and GF-FX cards handling 1024x768. I think I'll be in the
640x480 group with my current video card (a 64MB GF4). If I get so fed
up with that, I'll probably move to a Radeon 9800 Pro 256 (currently
$235 at Xtreme Gear). Except for Doom 3, and Half-life 2 coming up, I'd
still be using my old Pentium III with integrated graphics without
complaint.

Alex
 
Well, yes. I said for "acceptable performance". The review I saw
showed GeForce4 based stuck at 640x480, Radeon 9600 doing 800x600, and
Radeon 9800 and GF-FX cards handling 1024x768. I think I'll be in the
640x480 group with my current video card (a 64MB GF4). If I get so fed
up with that, I'll probably move to a Radeon 9800 Pro 256 (currently
$235 at Xtreme Gear). Except for Doom 3, and Half-life 2 coming up, I'd
still be using my old Pentium III with integrated graphics without
complaint.
Click to expand...

I threw a GF4 TI4200 128MB, into same system I'd tested with a
GF3... card was overclocked but it was a particularly poor
overclocker and harder to mod for voltage increase
(!@#$%Chaintech!@#$%). The GF4 running at 280 core & 570 memory
was fast enough to run at 800x600 with Display Properties/Driver
set to "fastest"... Somewhere around here I also have a different
GF4 with only 64MB mem but that overclocks better, will be
interesting to see which helps a GF4 more... though IIRC it was
mainly an issue of the quality level, that a 64MB card was
limited to low quality mode.

At least now that we have demanding games it should help lower
resale value of many older video cards... even those who can't or
won't spend hundreds of $$$ on gaming will have a better chance
of playing older games.
 
kony said:
I threw a GF4 TI4200 128MB, into same system I'd tested with a
GF3... card was overclocked but it was a particularly poor
overclocker and harder to mod for voltage increase
(!@#$%Chaintech!@#$%). The GF4 running at 280 core & 570 memory
was fast enough to run at 800x600 with Display Properties/Driver
set to "fastest"... Somewhere around here I also have a different
GF4 with only 64MB mem but that overclocks better, will be
interesting to see which helps a GF4 more... though IIRC it was
mainly an issue of the quality level, that a 64MB card was
limited to low quality mode.
Interesting.

At least now that we have demanding games it should help lower
resale value of many older video cards... even those who can't or
won't spend hundreds of $$$ on gaming will have a better chance
of playing older games.
Click to expand...

Now that would be nice. I have a few machines on my LAN that have the CPU
power but not the graphics power to play some games. We get friends or
visitors come over, see one of us playing something and want to play
themselves. However we only have crap S3 Trio 2D/3D 8MB AGP cards in the
other machines. People want an arm and a leg even for second-hand GF2's
(Although the last two GF2MX400's I bought died, maybe they weren't a good
'keeper', I know of others who have had GF2's die on them, just out of
warranty).
 
~misfit~ said:
Now that would be nice. I have a few machines on my LAN that have the CPU
power but not the graphics power to play some games. We get friends or
visitors come over, see one of us playing something and want to play
themselves. However we only have crap S3 Trio 2D/3D 8MB AGP cards in the
other machines. People want an arm and a leg even for second-hand GF2's
(Although the last two GF2MX400's I bought died, maybe they weren't a good
'keeper', I know of others who have had GF2's die on them, just out of
warranty).
Click to expand...

I have already seen GF4 MX cards going for $20 australian, even tho it's
a shit card it will play most games up to and including doom3 (tho only
on 640x480 ;)).

-Steve
 
Stephen said:
I have already seen GF4 MX cards going for $20 australian, even tho
it's a shit card it will play most games up to and including doom3
(tho only on 640x480 ;)).
Click to expand...

I'm in NZ, where would I find these $20 GF4 MX's? Any on-line places? A
couple of those would be great for the 'extra' machines. (Mainly used for
SETI or internet connection etc. It seems a shame to have a 1.6Ghz
(Tualatin) CPU just handling a modem and playing mp3s).

Cheers,
 
Stephen Gordon said:
I have already seen GF4 MX cards going for $20 australian, even tho it's
a shit card it will play most games up to and including doom3 (tho only
on 640x480 ;)).

-Steve
Click to expand...

I've got a Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440, and while I'm not a heavy gamer, it will
hold up to Unreal Tournament 2004, all the bells and whistles turned on, at
800X600, and if you turn off some of the detail, it will play at 1024X768.
I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can* turn on all
detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.

MC
 
Moderately said:
I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can* turn on all
detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.
Click to expand...

I dont know if pci fancards are still for sale but I used to use them
sometimes to cool hot running video cards. This was pretty much right
before they started putting fans on the video cards themselves. My guess
is that a case fan may do the same thing these days ie bring in cool air
for the video fans to use. Most of the trouble I see these days with
games and overheating is when folks buy these spanking new systems and
put them in their enclosed pc desk ie the kind that have just a hole in
the back and door on front. I bet you could toast a burger bun on top of
some of those setups :)
 
~misfit~ said:
I'm in NZ, where would I find these $20 GF4 MX's? Any on-line places? A
couple of those would be great for the 'extra' machines. (Mainly used for
SETI or internet connection etc. It seems a shame to have a 1.6Ghz
(Tualatin) CPU just handling a modem and playing mp3s).

Cheers,
Click to expand...

This was on offer second hand, the retail prices I can find are ~$60
australian. If you have a look in a local 'trading post' publication tho
I daresay you will find a GF4 MX for a similar price though, there are a
lot of them around and people are upgrading to the new product lines.

-Steve
 
Stephen said:
This was on offer second hand, the retail prices I can find are ~$60
australian. If you have a look in a local 'trading post' publication
tho I daresay you will find a GF4 MX for a similar price though,
there are a lot of them around and people are upgrading to the new
product lines.
Click to expand...

Okay, thanks. I have a nephew in Melbourne, Kyzen, who runs LAN parties,
(LAN X: http://www.lanx.org.au/) and he's always telling me how cheap
second-hand or older gear is in Aussie. I must fire off an email to him and
see if he has the time to look around for me.

Cheers,
 
I dont know if pci fancards are still for sale but I used to use them
sometimes to cool hot running video cards. This was pretty much right
before they started putting fans on the video cards themselves. My guess
is that a case fan may do the same thing these days ie bring in cool air
for the video fans to use. Most of the trouble I see these days with
games and overheating is when folks buy these spanking new systems and
put them in their enclosed pc desk ie the kind that have just a hole in
the back and door on front. I bet you could toast a burger bun on top of
some of those setups :)
Click to expand...
Before fans on vid cards I used to install a slot fan on the heatsink side of the
vid card. Given the right dimensions it would lay against the heatsink just right
and suck air thru the heatsink and out the back of the case. Fast, cheap, and
effective way to cool the card especially given the dead area where the GPU
sits.
~~~~~~
Bait for spammers:
root@localhost
postmaster@localhost
admin@localhost
abuse@localhost
postmaster@[127.0.0.1]
(e-mail address removed)
~~~~~~
Remove "spamless" to email me.
 
I assume then Judd that you

You missed spending hours on usenet out!

hamman
Click to expand...
DOH!

~~~~~~
Bait for spammers:
root@localhost
postmaster@localhost
admin@localhost
abuse@localhost
postmaster@[127.0.0.1]
(e-mail address removed)
~~~~~~
Remove "spamless" to email me.
 
Overlord said:
Before fans on vid cards I used to install a slot fan on the heatsink
side of the vid card. Given the right dimensions it would lay
against the heatsink just right and suck air thru the heatsink and
out the back of the case. Fast, cheap, and effective way to cool the
card especially given the dead area where the GPU
sits.
Click to expand...

<G>. I've done that too. I've even used one against the back of a card
(there was a slot in the case above the AGP slot) as the back of the
card/under the GPU was getting damn hot, even though it had a good HSF on
the other side.
 
Back
Top