Vuescan 8.1.36 - preview broken

[Hecate]

I didn't know "Don" was a user of VueScan, or do you mean to classify
someone else as a biased individual? I guess "whom the shoe fit, ..."
applies here.

I also have difficulty in understanding that when all of a sudden a
user sees the preview build up during the scanning pass (something the
program didn't do before the upgrade), and he experiences a(n
intermittend) slow down in the preview, he doesn't take the 'trouble'
to read the help on that new feature. I guess not everybody takes the
same amount of initiative, well such is life.

From the author, Hint 1: What's new in version 8.1.31 - Added live
display of raw scan data during scan. Hint 2: From the user manual -
Prefs Tab, *Display raw scan* Use this option to display the raw scan
data during a scan. You might want to turn this option off if you have
a slow processor or don't want to see the scan in progress.

If that's the case then why are people *on this group* who *are*
Vuescan users, saying that the "turn this off" instruction wasn't in
the What's New? You can't expect people top reread the *whole manual*
every time there's one of Ed's very frequent updates.

How that can be called "has not given any thought to", evades me.

I also don't understand why someone, not a VueScan user, suggests to
"get those backups out" without understanding what is going on.
Perhaps he gets a kick out of ending up with his foot in his mouth, I
don't care but it seems a strange fetish to me.


I don't really see how you could compare a one man operation like Ed
Hamrick's, with multinationals like Oracle and Quark. To me, there's a
distinct difference in available resources.

I'm not comparing resources, I'm comparing attitudes You don't need to
be a multinational to have a bad attitude.

Ed Hamrick would probably have responded to the user's question in
this forum, had he not been driven away by a few VueScan bashers. He
probably thought his time was spent better by further development of
VueScan than by having to correct al the nonsense from one or two
bashers.


Point is, it doesn't "screw up" scanning, on the contrary. I now don't
have to look at the statusbar for a progress indicator, because I can
see from across the room how the scan is progressing. For those who
experience a measurable slowdown (sofar, things like display updates
have only sped up for me), they can switch the new functionality off.

And it's then useful exactly how?

See above. Ed Hamrick spends more time on developing free upgrades
than on reminding the users to read the manual. Besides, the issue
apparently was solved by a comment from fellow user (must have been a
clairvoyant, or someone who read the manual).


It doesn't "mess with a lot of users machines", so I don't understand
the analogy.

Well, I'm off to check the mailbox and see if the slide for the
Scanner Bake-off 2005 has arrived.
Have a nice weekend.

You too ;-)

 

[Don]

I don't wish to join the fray, but I don't understand all the wild
hostility here. What's the big deal? -- If you like it, use it; if you
don't like it, use something else.

I've been saying the very thing from day one but there's a small group
of VueScan users for whom that's not enough.

However, when someone new asks for help it's only fair to give them
the whole picture and not only a rosy distortion.

But that invokes the wrath of VueScan fans who regularly overreact to
anyone pointing out the (many) legitimate shortcomings of Vuescan even
though they themselves suffer from them.

Sometimes Nikon Scan does a better job, but for some reason, I usually
find Vuescan more comfortable for my workflow. It's a good option to
have.

Excellent! And as I just mention to someone else, as long you're aware
and accept VueScan's limitations and don't try misrepresent it as
something it's not, there's no problem.

Don.

 

[Andrey Tarasevich]

Have you got Prefs|Display Raw Scan enabled? If so, try disabling it.
...

Yes, I have. I kind of liked to have it displayed to watch the progress
of the scan. It didn't cause any problems in version 32...

Best regards,
Andrey Tarasevich

 

[Andrey Tarasevich]

Me too noticed some slowdown in Preview mode, but not as much as if it
was scanning at full resolution.
...

In my case it actually appears to be _slower_ than a full-resolution
scan. I don't know how it is possible. Maybe a bug in VueScan
accidentally uncovered a hidden feature in my FS4000: a capability to
scan in 6000dpi mode

Best regards,
Andrey Tarasevich

 

[Andrey Tarasevich]

...
I also have difficulty in understanding that when all of a sudden a
user sees the preview build up during the scanning pass (something the
program didn't do before the upgrade), and he experiences a(n
intermittend) slow down in the preview, he doesn't take the 'trouble'
to read the help on that new feature. I guess not everybody takes the
same amount of initiative, well such is life.
...

Well, in my case the problem appeared in some version between 32 and 36.
I don't have any slowdown or any other problems with preview in version
32, even though I'm using the raw display feature.

Best regards,
Andrey Tarasevich

 

[hpowen]

Which, considering the VueScan's so-called user interface, is more
than enough to add to the confusion.

I don't find Vuescan's interface any more confusing at first glance
than Silverfast's. Both have their share quirks, and both can be
learned and used with good results.

Don, you may not be as overtly abusive as Ed (although I was not
present during any of his alleged tirades), but your protracted Vuescan
harangue constitutes abuse in its own right.

Take a break.

 

[Don]

I don't find Vuescan's interface any more confusing at first glance
than Silverfast's. Both have their share quirks, and both can be
learned and used with good results.

Anything can be learned and if you or anyone else is happy to jump
through hoops that's fine, but that's not the point.

VueScan's "interface" does go flat against virtually all ergonomic and
usability rules. Whether one "learns to love it" is up to each person,
of course, but that remains a fact. Search the archives for details.

I'd be happy to list them (because above statement is based on fact,
not emotion) but then you - or another VueScan "fan" - will accuse me
of "VueScan bashing", similar to the following paragraph:

Don, you may not be as overtly abusive as Ed (although I was not
present during any of his alleged tirades), but your protracted Vuescan
harangue constitutes abuse in its own right.

How can correcting factually false statements and insinuations (like
the one you just made) be a "harangue"?

You may emotionally perceive it as such but that subjective perception
has no basis in fact. If anything, it only proves my point.

Don.

 

[Stewart]

I don't wish to join the fray, but I don't understand all the wild
hostility here. What's the big deal? -- If you like it, use it; if you
don't like it, use something else.

It's very easy. There are a few fools who post on newsgroups. If you
ever come across people who post ridiculous emotional rants *for*
Vuescan, ignore them, they are fools. I have never come across such a
person, but I accept they may exist. As for people who post ridiculous
emotional rants *against* Vuescan they are even bigger fools, because
they seem to want to stop you trying something that may work for you,
and is free to try. Er... why? Note that some people like it, some
people don't, then decide whether or not to use it based on whether it
works for you.

It works for me (FS4000). It is cheap. You can try it for nothing. One
licence works for multiple scanners. It produces *significantly* better
quality results than Canon's own software. It took a bit of learning,
but once I had mastered it, I would not consider using the Canon
software. If anyone tells you that Canon's own software can produce
better results, they are wrong. It has neither the best nor the worst
interface I have used. It does not do things to the Windows registry,
other than store the registration number, which is a big plus for me.
Very rarely, updates create problems that did not exist before. This
makes me a bit grumpy, but I appreciate Mr Hamrick's readiness to
accommodate bug reports and produce frequent updates, although I only
download those that seem to offer a fix that I need. I would heartily
recommend it to anyone with an FS4000, because it will enable them to
produce better images. Is this a vote for Vuescan or against Canon? I
don't know. Presumably Canon could produce software that gets better
results out of their scanner, but they do not seem to want to. I note
that Minolta users seem to have more complaints than I do. I am about to
take delivery of a Nikon 9000. If Vuescan produces better results than
the Nikon software, I will use it. Because I only need to pay for it
once, I have the choice. If you think this is a ridiculous emotional
rant, feel free to ignore it.

 

[Don]

As for people who post ridiculous
emotional rants *against* Vuescan

Not emotional rants, *objective facts*. Usually quotes from VueScan
users themselves. Could you point to a single "emotional rant" (in
context!) not based on objective fact?

they seem to want to stop you trying something that may work for you,

Again, could you point to a single instance - or even a hint - of
this? Indeed, a link to the VueScan site is often provided so they can
make up their own minds. How does that "stop" people from trying it?

It does not do things to the Windows registry,

Erm... How about (replace * as needed):

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Vue*\license\ActivationKey

I expect you would call this *fact* a "rant", right?

Because I only need to pay for it once

I seem to recall that out of 3 available versions only one was "for
life". Others were free to upgrade only for a year or so.

If you think this is a ridiculous emotional
rant, feel free to ignore it.

Oh, now he tells me... ;o)

OK, ditto, i.e. why not ignore the OP, then? ;o)

Don.

 

[Bruce Graham]

It's very easy. There are a few fools who post on newsgroups. If you
ever come across people who post ridiculous emotional rants *for*
Vuescan, ignore them, they are fools. I have never come across such a
person, but I accept they may exist. As for people who post ridiculous
emotional rants *against* Vuescan they are even bigger fools, because
they seem to want to stop you trying something that may work for you,
and is free to try. Er... why? Note that some people like it, some
people don't, then decide whether or not to use it based on whether it
works for you.

It works for me (FS4000). It is cheap. You can try it for nothing. One
licence works for multiple scanners. It produces *significantly* better
quality results than Canon's own software. It took a bit of learning,
but once I had mastered it, I would not consider using the Canon
software. If anyone tells you that Canon's own software can produce
better results, they are wrong. It has neither the best nor the worst
interface I have used. It does not do things to the Windows registry,
other than store the registration number, which is a big plus for me.
Very rarely, updates create problems that did not exist before. This
makes me a bit grumpy, but I appreciate Mr Hamrick's readiness to
accommodate bug reports and produce frequent updates, although I only
download those that seem to offer a fix that I need. I would heartily
recommend it to anyone with an FS4000, because it will enable them to
produce better images. Is this a vote for Vuescan or against Canon? I
don't know. Presumably Canon could produce software that gets better
results out of their scanner, but they do not seem to want to. I note
that Minolta users seem to have more complaints than I do. I am about to
take delivery of a Nikon 9000. If Vuescan produces better results than
the Nikon software, I will use it. Because I only need to pay for it
once, I have the choice. If you think this is a ridiculous emotional
rant, feel free to ignore it.

Exactly. I agree with every word (as another FS4000 owner). I'm
also hardly surprised that Canon don't spend money on software updates
for an obsolete product (the FS4000) as they are no doubt fully occupied
on producing new digital camera software. I'm grateful for the ongoing
Vuescan updates from Ed which have kept the scanner available to me as a
useful tool.