VISTA Ultimate Problems

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I've been a MS Windows user from day one, TRS-80, MS DOS2.1, etc., and I've
used every MS operating system out there. The worst was WIN ME of course, but
I think VISTA is coming in second. I now know what the WOW is all about.
VISTA is a Trojan Horse. It will literlly trash all your current software
like your ATI Graphics or other video cards, sound, and its security features
will drive you crazy. I upgraded from WIN XP Pro and all my old documents
were moved to ADMINISTRATOR whilst Vista installed me as a new user, i.e.,
RAY. Now I can not get any of my docs because I am not the Administrator.
VISTA will keep pointing you to WIN MEDIA and Movie Maker, etc. but it will
NOT recognize any other format other that its own WMA files. I can't wait to
re-install WIN XP SP2 and be done with it. I will be out $300. bucks but I'll
have to suck it in. WOW! 2.8 GB and 4 hrs to download and 4 hrs to install.
Caveate Emptor. Perhaps VISTA has to be out there 6 months for the pros to
work out the kinks, and there are many. Its designed to trash your system if
you don't have the original software CD's or if you've downloaded unlicensed
software, watch out. You can only install on one machine only. OUTLOOK will
continue to ask for a password no matter what. I used Windows Explorer mostly
to organize my files and system but the new version is a bust. Every software
activity or action will require you to allow the process to continue because
of its immense security precautions. In short, its very User Unfriendly and I
give it * one star out of 5.
 
You'll find no argument here!

While over all, I don't mind the feel of Vista, it's the lack of familiar
commands and shortcuts that pisses me off.

The new Explorer? Whoever designed that should be shot! Locking toolbars?
take away commands? No more display of full paths in the address bar? and
this is only day 1 for me!

It is MUCH more difficult to navigate and what happen to defaulting to My
Documents when savinf files? Now it goes directly to the Documents and
Settings folder? Sorry MS, that was a STUPID move.

Like Velcro, I too have been using every flavor of OS since the z80 days and
find this "New & Improved" windows to be among my least favorites. Out of
necessity, I'll learn it - but not a one of my clients will get my
recommendation to migrate.

It's XP for them until ths user interface becomes friendly again. Or - I
really hope not - Linux.
 
Velcro said:
I've been a MS Windows user from day one, TRS-80, MS DOS2.1, etc., and I've
used every MS operating system out there. The worst was WIN ME of course, but
I think VISTA is coming in second. I now know what the WOW is all about.
VISTA is a Trojan Horse. It will literlly trash all your current software
like your ATI Graphics or other video cards, sound, and its security features
will drive you crazy.
Click to expand...

So Vista is the second worst OS, and it trashed *all* of your
software--literally. I guess Windows ME must have trashed all of your
software and someone else's too. :)

Anyway, I am sorry it did all of this to you. It did not trash all of
my programs, or any for that matter. So maybe you should change "It
will..." to "Some really bad things happened to me, and it might be
because of some conflicts with my drivers, etc, or maybe I did something
wrong..."
I upgraded from WIN XP Pro and all my old documents
were moved to ADMINISTRATOR whilst Vista installed me as a new user, i.e.,
RAY. Now I can not get any of my docs because I am not the Administrator.
VISTA will keep pointing you to WIN MEDIA and Movie Maker, etc. but it will
NOT recognize any other format other that its own WMA files.
Click to expand...

These sound like solvable problems, but since you are returning to XP, OK.
I can't wait to re-install WIN XP SP2 and be done with it. I will be out $300. bucks but I'll
have to suck it in. WOW! 2.8 GB and 4 hrs to download and 4 hrs to install.
Caveate Emptor. Perhaps VISTA has to be out there 6 months for the pros to
work out the kinks, and there are many. Its designed to trash your system if
you don't have the original software CD's or if you've downloaded unlicensed
software, watch out.
Click to expand...

Vista is *designed* to trash our system if we don't have original
software CD's? What do you mean? Did VISTA use the computer to turn on
a camera to look at your CD rack to see if you had your original CD's?
And it then trashed your system? Maybe that is why it did not trash my
system. I have all of my CD's. Or did you have a problem because you
needed to reinstall some programs and lacked CD's. If that, good luck
going back to XP. And, what do you mean unlicensed software? What
should I watch out for? Does my system get trashed twice, once for a
missing CD and once for unlicensed software. I don't think I licensed
Firefox. Now I am worried.
You can only install on one machine only.
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Yea, same with XP.
OUTLOOK will continue to ask for a password no matter what. I used Windows Explorer mostly
to organize my files and system but the new version is a bust. Every software
activity or action will require you to allow the process to continue because
of its immense security precautions. In short, its very User Unfriendly and I
give it * one star out of 5.
Click to expand...

You can turn of UAC, and make your account administrator. But I am
running as a limited user, and I only have to type in a password when I
do something to the system or install software. Not much different then
Linux (although Linux security is much better implemented.) But, if you
do not like UAC, turn it off. But make sure you are running as an
administrator. Anyway it will be easier to download Unlicensed software.
 
Velcro,

When persons write non-factual stuff as your Post it is the results of only
-one- situation, known as, User Induced Conflicts.

The highly advanced techology within Vista requires a new learning curve
never before experienced, by experienced users.

When Vista is *properly* Installed and *properly* Setup, Vista is not only
the most user friendly OS our world ever did experience, Vista has
fuctionalities that are just too simple for computing usage.

The poor advice within your Post is an example for what occurs when users
treat Vista as the typical PnP OS, nothing more!
 
Jimmy said:
You'll find no argument here!

While over all, I don't mind the feel of Vista, it's the lack of
familiar commands and shortcuts that pisses me off.

The new Explorer? Whoever designed that should be shot! Locking
toolbars? take away commands? No more display of full paths in the
address bar? and this is only day 1 for me!
Click to expand...

Click the folder Icon (far left) in the breadcrumb bar, and you have a
highlighted, ready for ctr-c, folder path. I love the new bar. It is
much easier to navigate using it then going to folder view (which I have
used in various ways since Dos 5.0.) Use the bar to do what it is
designed to do, and not what you expect. But to each his own.

It is MUCH more difficult to navigate and what happen to defaulting to
My Documents when savinf files? Now it goes directly to the Documents
and Settings folder? Sorry MS, that was a STUPID move.
Click to expand...

Um, Vista does save to the default documents folder. I don't have any
idea why it does this with yours, but to say that MS designed this is
wrong, because it is not true.

Like Velcro, I too have been using every flavor of OS since the z80 days
and find this "New & Improved" windows to be among my least favorites.
Out of necessity, I'll learn it - but not a one of my clients will get
my recommendation to migrate.

It's XP for them until ths user interface becomes friendly again. Or - I
really hope not - Linux.
Click to expand...

Well, at least admit to your clients that you are currently unaware of
all the features of the OS interface before suggesting XP. Many people
love Vista, and your clients might, just might, be angry if they get
incomplete analysis.
 
I did a clean install. Moved lots of data to another partition. After much
problems and time it installed. It deleted ITunes folder , some document
folders and lots of the user info I saved.

MS says that should not have happened but it did. I have to agree but put
this as the worst. ME was bad but not distructive.

Lloyd Sheen
 
Lloyd said:
I did a clean install. Moved lots of data to another partition. After
much problems and time it installed. It deleted ITunes folder , some
document folders and lots of the user info I saved.

MS says that should not have happened but it did. I have to agree but
put this as the worst. ME was bad but not distructive.

Lloyd Sheen
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You're saying that Vista trashed files on a different Partition? Sorry
about that, but I have trouble believing that Vista messed with any
folder on a separate partition. It installs on C:, and does nothing to
any other Partition.

Anyway, this is not something Vista does. It does not mess with other
folders during install.
 
I have one question for you. Why would I lie about this?

I spent about 4 hours with MS support trying to get what was supposed to be
a simple upgrade from XP Media Center. Since an attempt to install over XP
gets rid of the XP licence I was now forced to "clean" install. I am a
windows developer and I am very organized for things like this. I move lots
of folders to the other partition but after the install some of them were
gone. Things like removing ITunes make the skeptic in me think of
malicious. Of course it would not have happened if the install had worked
as it was supposed to.

In speaking with MS support it became very clear that they have no handle on
this. I was asked to be patient since the support people did not know too
much about Vista. The strange thing is that as some as Vista came up and I
went to explorer I noticed that both partition had the same free space.
That was the hint that Vista did something to the system.

Beyond that Vista is extremely slow. I recovered my files of my IPod (most
of the tags missing) but could copy them to a folder. 7500 songs. When I
tried to sort on Artist guess how long it took???? 22 minutes on a Dual
Core 2.66. I have my own app which read all the files and tags and sorted
in about 40 seconds. After the listview is populated it takes about 1/2
second to sort. Each sort of the files took about 20 -25 mins. This is
such a sorry mess I cannot forgive MS for this.

Lloyd Sheen
 
I have been using Vista RTM since the day it was available on MSDN. I have
never had a single one of the problems you describe.

As for your documents going to Administrator, then I assume you were logging
into your XP Pro as Administrator - bad idea. How does Windows Vista know
that Ray is the same as Administrator? Since you are clearly an expert
(based on your logging in as Administrator) then you know how to grant
yourself access to those documents in the Administrator profile. Go get
them. Or get them from Windows.Old. Or from your backups.

Ok.. I'll give you one. Windows Media Player 11 sucks. But it has played
everything I have thrown at it that I expected it to play. It sucks for
other reasons.

Dale
 
Chris said:
Click the folder Icon (far left) in the breadcrumb bar, and you have a
highlighted, ready for ctr-c, folder path. I love the new bar. It is much
easier to navigate using it then going to folder view (which I have used
in various ways since Dos 5.0.) Use the bar to do what it is designed to
do, and not what you expect. But to each his own.
Click to expand...

But I sure do miss the Up button!

Dale
 
Dale,

You missed what the problem is. It while not telling you trashs info on
another partition. That is a "criminal" problem.

Others include dropping the internet connection about every hour. And
the most recent - when going to a page in IE I closed the tab. IE didn't
want to close it and I had to shut IE down CTL_ALT_DEL. Once that happened
the task bar was gone and the desktop would not respond to mouse. I guess
desktop was killed.

The only feature I constantly use now on Vista is the restart button.

Lloyd
 
I have never gotten over Windows 95 not running my CP/M WordStar. *SOB*.

And then, I took my S-100 64KB memory card and tried to add more memory to
my PC by plugging it into my new brand-spanking-new Pentium motherboard and
it wouldn't go in! *SOB SOB* In fact, my 386SX wouldn't go in it either!
*SOB SOB SOB*
 
One last thing. After all these years MS still cannot get the notification
area (You have unread mail) correct. It shows I read and it stays.
Probably the most useless thing windows has.

Lloyd
 
Lloyd said:
I have one question for you. Why would I lie about this?

I spent about 4 hours with MS support trying to get what was supposed to
be a simple upgrade from XP Media Center. Since an attempt to install
over XP gets rid of the XP licence I was now forced to "clean" install.
I am a windows developer and I am very organized for things like this.
I move lots of folders to the other partition but after the install some
of them were gone. Things like removing ITunes make the skeptic in me
think of malicious. Of course it would not have happened if the install
had worked as it was supposed to.

In speaking with MS support it became very clear that they have no
handle on this. I was asked to be patient since the support people did
not know too much about Vista. The strange thing is that as some as
Vista came up and I went to explorer I noticed that both partition had
the same free space. That was the hint that Vista did something to the
system.

Beyond that Vista is extremely slow. I recovered my files of my IPod
(most of the tags missing) but could copy them to a folder. 7500
songs. When I tried to sort on Artist guess how long it took???? 22
minutes on a Dual Core 2.66. I have my own app which read all the files
and tags and sorted in about 40 seconds. After the listview is
populated it takes about 1/2 second to sort. Each sort of the files
took about 20 -25 mins. This is such a sorry mess I cannot forgive MS
for this.

Lloyd Sheen
Click to expand...

Lie about what? I never said you lied. I said Vista did not trash
another partition. I suppose I might be wrong, but in the dozens of
installations over the years, including using FDISK and the XP boot
disks to delete and create partitions, I have never seen, nor heard, of
an installation doing anything to a secondary partition once they have
been set up. I have even had a major power outage during an installation
and still nothing happened to my secondary partitions. Can you point to
one case anywhere where this has happened? In any case, you disagree,
but how do you know. You mention that you got no help from MS, and you
attribute this to incompetence, but maybe the main reason is they have
no history of this (except in the case of someone messing up something
and blaming the install.) You are saying a lot about what you think
Vista is doing, but you don't know. You suggest that MS is deliberately
deleting your ITunes folder? Are you serious? I use both WMP and
Itunes, and keep all files in one folder and there has never been a
problem. It certainly was not deleted by Vista. You have exactly the
same Vista I have. Why do I still have an intact music folder? You can
say what you want, but something else happened.
 
Lloyd Sheen said:
I have one question for you. Why would I lie about this?

I spent about 4 hours with MS support trying to get what was supposed to
be a simple upgrade from XP Media Center. Since an attempt to install
over XP gets rid of the XP licence I was now forced to "clean" install. I
am a windows developer and I am very organized for things like this. I
move lots of folders to the other partition but after the install some of
them were gone. Things like removing ITunes make the skeptic in me think
of malicious. Of course it would not have happened if the install had
worked as it was supposed to.

In speaking with MS support it became very clear that they have no handle
on this. I was asked to be patient since the support people did not know
too much about Vista. The strange thing is that as some as Vista came up
and I went to explorer I noticed that both partition had the same free
space. That was the hint that Vista did something to the system.

Beyond that Vista is extremely slow. I recovered my files of my IPod
(most of the tags missing) but could copy them to a folder. 7500 songs.
When I tried to sort on Artist guess how long it took???? 22 minutes on a
Dual Core 2.66. I have my own app which read all the files and tags and
sorted in about 40 seconds. After the listview is populated it takes
about 1/2 second to sort. Each sort of the files took about 20 -25 mins.
This is such a sorry mess I cannot forgive MS for this.

Lloyd Sheen
Click to expand...
See this link,it probably explains why your music files were "messed
"up.Just sent this to one of my son's so that his daughters won't lose
their music files.
Click to expand...
http://news.com.com/Apple+to+Window...sta+yet/2100-1027_3-6155817.html?tag=nefd.top
Click to expand...
regards
 
Dale said:
But I sure do miss the Up button!

Dale
Click to expand...

Use the breadcrumb. The second folder from the right is effectively the
up button. It has the advantage of specifying where you are going up to.
 
BobC said:
regards
Click to expand...

I have had some trouble with Itunes too, but not the same as a claim
that the folder was deleted. And most of these problems happen through
the client software, not from Vista itself.
 
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