Giving incorrect advice is one thing. Everyone makes mistakes, no one knows
everything. One of the good things about these newsgroups is the peer
review. When you blow it folks see it and call you on it. And yes some
make more mistakes than others.
Intentionally posting ridiculous, misleading, or unhelpful advice is another
issue altogether. Need I refer back to one of your first posts, to the
OP
who had Firefox on their system where you replied to the OP that because of
it the MS police would be after him? And on top of which it was totally
unrelated to the problem he was posting about, namely Windows Explorer
crashing.
That was an obvious joke and he DID refer to Firefox. That was part of
the
post.
At the present moment you must admit that there is an awful lot of third
party things that don't work with Vista. You and people like you blame
the
makers of the apps and hardware, but my angle is that those manufacturers
cannot be expected to keep upgrading their products every time Microsoft
tells them to. Some of these companies have to almost rewrite their whole
code base to accommodate Vista. And one of the main things that bugs me
about THAT is that CUSTOMERS have to buy new products every time that
happens. That is a disturbing trend for alot of people. Some people have
invested ALOT of money on apps and hardware. To think they would have to
abandon those and upgrade "just because" is worrisome at best. You are
probably also aware that MS has been in trouble with the law for "not
playing nice" with other companies. They have been sued and LOST in some
huge lawsuits, but now the same things are happening over again. As
people
have pointed out, Vista is having similar problems to XP. Is this a
business model for them now?
Abusive? How about your post yesterday in windowsxp.general where your
clock was off. A person replied letting you know this, and your response
was to call him a dumb*ss. Your reaction was to ridicule him claiming it
was because you were in a different time zone, when in reality you were the
one with the misunderstanding about how message times are displayed, and you
were, in fact, posting from the future.
Which I promptly apologized for after realizing I made a mistake, even
BEFORE you chastised me. You obviously didn't read his abusive
condescending previous post, which prompted my remark. I was retaliating,
not initiating.
From my perspective there WAS no future posting. The date and time were
completely accurate. As you have doubtfully seen, there is a legitimate
problem with the time servers. The time servers have been having
difficulty
due to the unusual time change this year. It certainly wasn't my fault
that
the time changed differently this year and caused problems.
He falsely accused me of deliberately future posting (which came out of
nowhere by the way. There was absolutely no reason for it). He didn't
simply say "you are future posting" like you did, he attacked me first.
He
was not merely pointing out the the time was wrong, he was accusing me of
doing it on purpose, which is ridiculous.
He is one of the very helpful regular posters in that newsgroup. Did he
deserve that - just because he wanted to let you know of a problem of which
you might not be aware?
I certainly haven't seen that. Before your tirade, I considered him to be
one of the more abusive posters. It can be very subtle, but is there
nonetheless.
You are abusive to the poor soul who comes in here with a problem when
you
ridicule their predicament by posting your garbage. They come here for
help, not to hear you spout a personal agenda. Why take it out on them?
Have you read between the lines of most of these posts? They are unhappy
wihth the performance of these products.
If you really want to help someone you must first sympathize.
It would be one thing if you simply kept to stating an opinion about
Vista
and MS. There are plenty of folks in here who do that, and I respect their
right to it. But you don't. You take it out on the innocent folks posting
here for help. That is the height of abusiveness.
How so? How am I "taking it out" on "innocent folks"? I don't even see
how
you think I am abusing people anymore than most of the people that post
here. I don't even really see how you think I am "abusing" people here.
How am I abusing them? I AM stating opinions about Vista and MS, not
personally attacking people.
You changed your posting name to misrepresent yourself as an MVP. That
shows a lack of integrity, and in my assessment isn't very smart. Why can't
you let your opinions stand on their own?
I'm demonstrating the absurdity of the "MVP". I actually did read through
these newgroups for awhile before posting and MOST of the "MVP's" here
either give bad advice (yes I've seen it, including you just today) and/or
are abusive to innocent people for no reason. One of the posters asked a
legitimate question about one of the "MVP's" posts regarding the time
server
problem and you had to tear him a new one. That was not called for. Some
of the MVP's basically have the opinion the the person asking the question
is "dumb" and wonders why the person would even ask that question. I
don't
track everyones posts, but I could easily find more examples.
I find the proposition interesting that it's ok for a poster to lie,
intentionally mislead, misrepresent, and take it out on innocent third
parties, but when someone who happens to have an MVP designation stands
up
against it, that gets labeled as abusive or rude.
You or anyone else is welcome to "stand up against it". I'm not debating
that you have a right to correct things. You are putting words into my
mouth (or typing them, hehe). I'm not even really sure at what point you
thought I was against "peer review". As I said, prior to that ONE event,
I
hadn't personally attacked others, yet in their wisdom many "MVP's" saw
fit
to attack me PERSONALLY. It wasn't enough to simply call me a troll and
tell people not to listen. They could have siomply said the information
was
false (if it actually was, but thats another story) and provided correct
info. I've joked about a few things that I would think any reasonable
person could see through. I guess Ill have to specify that I'm joking.
What I wrote in this thread that has engendered this discussion was actually
in a reply to another party. It was not directed to you nor an attack on
you. I simply stated my opinion that "He's not very good at being a
troll
either. More than a bit stupid." All this is in reference to your on going
behavior. You got called on what you do, and you don't like it. That's too
bad.
"More than a bit stupid"? How is that not an attack? I haven't even
attacked YOU directly, yet you see fit to attack ME. Prior to this rant,
I
was beginning to acknowledge that you may have been one of the people
"above" all of this. FYI I don't' recall anything I've said prior to now
has had anything to do with you personally or that you were giving bad
advice.
Compare the tenor in this newsgroup to windowsxp.general, for example, where
you have also done some trolling. It's much different there, in spite of
the occasional posts by you and a few others. The focus is much more on
users helping users In here there is so much more of the trolling, by
the
Mac advocates, the Linux folks and those who just feel like they want to
mess with MS, much of it at the expense of the person who had the
audacity
to ask for help.
Do the trolls care about them? They make little of their plight, make
fun
of it. Why? Just because it's a new OS and some people have a personal
agenda against MS?
Hey, let's be honest, Microsoft IS to blame for alot of this. I'm sure
you
know that they have HIRED people to come here and ADVOCATE Microsoft
products. That's amazing to me. People NEED to know that and there ought
to be a counter to that (people telling the truth that MS isn't perfect).
If MS HRIES people to come here, they must be monitoring these groups for
product ideas and problems. I've heard they even deliberately harass
people
to see what matters most to them based on how they respond.
People saying Ohhh, MS is so great, no problems! That isn't going to fix
or
change anything. As I've mentioned Ive been in this industry over 12
years
and I have seen it progressively slide downhill because of dumb things
that
could be fixed. People are astounded by the activation issue in my
experience (spare the lecture about piracy). MS got where it is due to
casual copying so people could try before they bought). I am astounded
that
MS can't get it right after all their experience. There is no longer
justification for reinventing the wheel every few years and coming out
with
a whole new product that doesn't work with the old stuff. People have too
much time and money invested now (not to mention large companies with
hundreds or thousands of PCs) to continually play the MS upgrade game.
I recently had to provide a driver for an older DVD drive just to install
Vista! That is absurd! One can't even GET older drivers for some
hardware.
Previous versions of Windows didn't even NEED drivers for CD/DVD drives.
