Vista...? Proceed with caution!

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The problem with DRM is that it is all proprietary. I can buy a television
and pick up the picture and sound from any station. I don't need a
different television set for each provider. That's how DRM should work -
competitively rather than proprietarily. The only end result of the current
practice will be limited competition and possibly even a DRM monopoly. All
DRM standards should be made publicly available. When you argue that DRM
creators have costs involved and shouldn't have to make them publicly
available, remember that television standards and even HDTV standard weren't
created by the FCC, they were created by the industry and then the FCC
selected/approved/forced down our throats the standard they thought was
best. In any case, the manufacturers and broadcast industry bore the cost
of the public standard and they're making money. That's what should be done
with DRM.

Dale
 
Troy said:
not really. doesnt have too much to do with the os. its the file type
and media thats involved
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While that may or may not be the case, try running a media center
without content protection. I use this at home and because there is no
content protection software in my setup, everything just works and I
have no idea if the channel or program I am watching at any given time
is content protected. It all just works and setup was a breeze.

Mythdora:
http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/mythdora/install/howto.html



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Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
Isn't this what Global Fair & Open Trade is supposed to bring... lower
priced goods for consumers worldwide, not just cheap labor for corporations?
So where is fair global bounty for US workers/consumers? More and more,
corporate protectionism embezzles living-wages then wants to loan you the
difference. But this forum is about Vista. Vista DRM will help you find the
best prices on legal digital content within the global market arena, right?
 
Unless you have a widescreen laptop with wi-fi, but those are pretty rare.
:)


Alias said:
Hertz_Donut said:
Paul-B said:
Hertz_Donut wrote:

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got
Hollywood and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through
through the iTunes Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own
DRM technology for example the proprietary AAC codec the iPod
uses.
I guess that leaves Linux.

Alias
No, it just means that there are still idiots that think Linux is
the answer...

Honu
Tell us what the question is and we can then see if, indeed, Linux is
the answer.

For instance, if the question were to be "What o/s can I install which
is free, quick and easy to install, fast, has bundled with it apps
which can be used to run an average office workstation, and can run on
a minimum-spec pc" what, I wonder would the answer be?

I know one thing it wouldn't be, and that is "Any flavour of Windows".
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Okay, here is a question:

What OS can I install the does not require me to hunt for drivers for my
hardware,
Ubuntu.

does not require the knowledge and use of arcane commands,
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Ubuntu.

and can
run the 70,000 + software programs currently available for the Windows
platform?
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There are more for the Ubuntu platform, all free, unlike most of what's
written for Windows.
Would you honestly recommend Linux to someone who uses the crutch of AOL?
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Ubuntu, yes.
Linux, while it has it's place, is definitely not a candidate to replace
Windows.

Honu.
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Where have you been, under a rock? Try Ubuntu and see if you feel the same
way. Linux isn't just for geeks anymore.

Alias
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In message (e-mail address removed),
Those who want to rob banks are always going to find a way of doing
it...therefore should we not lock up the banks at night? I realize
having tellers in the bank inconvenience and cost innocent people who
otherwise should be able to bank on the honor system. DRM is not
evil..neither are locks.

:
....All it (Vista) is going to do is inconvenience and cost innocent
people. Those that want to make illegal copies are always going to
find ways of doing it...
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Ok, how about if everytime you wanted to withdraw a few quid(or dollars or
whatever) from your bank, you had to bring your passport and drivers
licence, give your fingerprints, type in a pin code and then wait (maybe
some time) for the bank manager to go to the safe, unlock it and fetch your
money for you. On finally being handed over the cash you then find that you
can only actually spend it in 2 or 3 specific shops... and it vanishes after
a few weeks if you don't spend it quickly enough
 
Chris said:
Unless you have a widescreen laptop with wi-fi, but those are pretty
rare. :)
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I don't know about the widescreen but Ubuntu supports wi-fi.

Alias
Alias said:
Hertz_Donut said:
Hertz_Donut wrote:

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got
Hollywood and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through
through the iTunes Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own
DRM technology for example the proprietary AAC codec the iPod
uses.
I guess that leaves Linux.

Alias
No, it just means that there are still idiots that think Linux is
the answer...

Honu
Tell us what the question is and we can then see if, indeed, Linux is
the answer.

For instance, if the question were to be "What o/s can I install which
is free, quick and easy to install, fast, has bundled with it apps
which can be used to run an average office workstation, and can run on
a minimum-spec pc" what, I wonder would the answer be?

I know one thing it wouldn't be, and that is "Any flavour of Windows".

--
Paul-B

Okay, here is a question:

What OS can I install the does not require me to hunt for drivers for
my hardware,
Ubuntu.

does not require the knowledge and use of arcane commands,
Click to expand...

Ubuntu.

and can
run the 70,000 + software programs currently available for the
Windows platform?
Click to expand...

There are more for the Ubuntu platform, all free, unlike most of
what's written for Windows.
Would you honestly recommend Linux to someone who uses the crutch of
AOL?
Click to expand...

Ubuntu, yes.
Linux, while it has it's place, is definitely not a candidate to
replace Windows.

Honu.
Click to expand...

Where have you been, under a rock? Try Ubuntu and see if you feel the
same way. Linux isn't just for geeks anymore.

Alias
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HeyBub said:
Who cares? Ubuntu sounds like another Nigerian scam.
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And you sound like you're ignorant and ill-informed.

Most Texans display some level of education.
 
In what way? I have tried both the latest Ubuntu and Fedora and neither
worked with my wide screen Dell using an ATI 1400 chip. Neither worked with
Wi-Fi either. I know there are "solutions" but non are particularly easy to
implement. I did read that Suse had the ATI drivers in the repository, but
with the other two I was going to have to do some heavy tweaking to get
either to work.
 
In what way? I have tried both the latest Ubuntu and Fedora and neither
worked with my wide screen Dell using an ATI 1400 chip. Neither worked
with Wi-Fi either. I know there are "solutions" but non are particularly
easy to implement. I did read that Suse had the ATI drivers in the
repository, but with the other two I was going to have to do some heavy
tweaking to get either to work.
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For WiFi I installed network-manager-gnome and it just worked. Of course,
things are only that easy if you have fully Linux-compatible hardware.
Incompatible hardware takes a little more work. :o)

Many incompatible wifi cards are the wifi equivalent of winmodems - they
use firmware that runs only under Windows, and the wifi manufacturers
won't provide Linux-native firmware or reveal the specifications that
Linux developers need to write their own. You can still get many of these
to work using ndiswrapper (which uses the device's Windows drivers) or by
purchasing a commercial driver from <http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader>.

My widescreen display and ATI graphics card were supported to the proper
resolution right out of the box, but the generic open-source ati driver
doesn't do 3D. For that you have to install ATI's proprietary fglrx
driver. The easiest way to accomplish that is to install automatix and
then use the fglrx button. You'll want automatix anyway to install other
useful things like mp3 players, codecs, etc.

Canonical has announced that future versions of Ubuntu will come with
proprietary drivers either bundled (if the driver license allows it) or
downloadable/installable via a one-click installer. That was probably
prompted by Mint Linux <http://linuxmint.com>. Mint is just Ubuntu with
proprietary drivers added to the installer, plus a few other changes made
that Ubuntu users have been clamoring for but Canonical didn't feel
like implementing.

We see this all the time in Linux - a project isn't responsive enough to
some group of its users so they fork it into their own project. To keep
from losing control to the new fork, the original project incorporates its
new features. The fork is then no longer needed and dies, full control is
restored to the original project, and now its users have the new features
they wanted.

Imagine how much different things would be if Windows users could fork
Vista! :-)
 
I just received a 50 million USD email-offer from Saddam's first daughter,
Raghad Hussein. She's in Jordan but needs my help to bring the money from
the UK to the US. I wanted to offer her 100 billion USD and reverse the scam
but I don't take advantage of women... well, not anymore... much. Odd, a
phone/dsl offer was attached to her email all in German. Anyway, I checked
my Vista 'People Near Me' and Raghad is not anywhere near me. So I turned
her over to 'Vista Security Center' and they said their international
'Windows Defender' would handle the matter, probably through 'Parental
Controls.' I told them I'd like to 'Lock her Bits with my Drive Encryption'
but something was askew with my 'iSCSI Initiator' so, that ended with a
sudden BSOD. Sigh. I was hoping for a 'QuickTime.'
 
Alias said:
Hertz_Donut said:
Paul-B said:
Hertz_Donut wrote:

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got
Hollywood and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through
through the iTunes Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own
DRM technology for example the proprietary AAC codec the iPod
uses.
I guess that leaves Linux.

Alias
No, it just means that there are still idiots that think Linux is
the answer...

Honu
Tell us what the question is and we can then see if, indeed, Linux is
the answer.

For instance, if the question were to be "What o/s can I install which
is free, quick and easy to install, fast, has bundled with it apps
which can be used to run an average office workstation, and can run on
a minimum-spec pc" what, I wonder would the answer be?

I know one thing it wouldn't be, and that is "Any flavour of Windows".
Click to expand...

Okay, here is a question:

What OS can I install the does not require me to hunt for drivers for my
hardware,
Click to expand...

Ubuntu.
Click to expand...

Does Ubuntu support the AIW x1800? Not just video drivers, but TV as well?
Also, can it do so from the ubuntu live CD, so I can check it out before
going through an install?
 
Fork Vista.

Dale

arachnid said:
For WiFi I installed network-manager-gnome and it just worked. Of course,
things are only that easy if you have fully Linux-compatible hardware.
Incompatible hardware takes a little more work. :o)

Many incompatible wifi cards are the wifi equivalent of winmodems - they
use firmware that runs only under Windows, and the wifi manufacturers
won't provide Linux-native firmware or reveal the specifications that
Linux developers need to write their own. You can still get many of these
to work using ndiswrapper (which uses the device's Windows drivers) or by
purchasing a commercial driver from
<http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader>.

My widescreen display and ATI graphics card were supported to the proper
resolution right out of the box, but the generic open-source ati driver
doesn't do 3D. For that you have to install ATI's proprietary fglrx
driver. The easiest way to accomplish that is to install automatix and
then use the fglrx button. You'll want automatix anyway to install other
useful things like mp3 players, codecs, etc.

Canonical has announced that future versions of Ubuntu will come with
proprietary drivers either bundled (if the driver license allows it) or
downloadable/installable via a one-click installer. That was probably
prompted by Mint Linux <http://linuxmint.com>. Mint is just Ubuntu with
proprietary drivers added to the installer, plus a few other changes made
that Ubuntu users have been clamoring for but Canonical didn't feel
like implementing.

We see this all the time in Linux - a project isn't responsive enough to
some group of its users so they fork it into their own project. To keep
from losing control to the new fork, the original project incorporates its
new features. The fork is then no longer needed and dies, full control is
restored to the original project, and now its users have the new features
they wanted.

Imagine how much different things would be if Windows users could fork
Vista! :-)
Click to expand...
 
Drade said:
Alias said:
Hertz_Donut said:
Hertz_Donut wrote:

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
Apple also uses DRM in their software, how you think they got
Hollywood and the Music Industry to sell their stuff through
through the iTunes Store? Also, Apple also locks into its own
DRM technology for example the proprietary AAC codec the iPod
uses.
I guess that leaves Linux.

Alias
No, it just means that there are still idiots that think Linux is
the answer...

Honu
Tell us what the question is and we can then see if, indeed, Linux is
the answer.

For instance, if the question were to be "What o/s can I install which
is free, quick and easy to install, fast, has bundled with it apps
which can be used to run an average office workstation, and can run on
a minimum-spec pc" what, I wonder would the answer be?

I know one thing it wouldn't be, and that is "Any flavour of Windows".

--
Paul-B

Okay, here is a question:

What OS can I install the does not require me to hunt for drivers for
my hardware,
Click to expand...

Ubuntu.
Click to expand...

Does Ubuntu support the AIW x1800? Not just video drivers, but TV as
well? Also, can it do so from the ubuntu live CD, so I can check it out
before going through an install?
Click to expand...

Not sure about that, although installing Ubuntu isn't a very long or
eventful process to see if there are updates for the hardware. Do it on
a spare hard drive. I suspect if you look hard enough you'll find
hardware that either you have to look for drivers or just doesn't have
any for Linux. I know this is the case for 56K modems for example.

Alias
 
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