Vista Fried the Hardware

[Conor]

Okay, "fried" is not the right term. "Corrupted" - satisfied semantics buffs?

No. Where is your proof?

Obviously, I am not going to get anywhere with this.

Because you're wrong and also are up against people who have decades of
experience in the real world so you're trying to convince people who
actually have a clue and not your fellow classmates.

The bottom line is that I spent over $500 upgrading my network to Vista, and
my options are to spend more on a new graphics card, or reformat and go back
to XP.

So if putting XP on means you don't need a card, then its not fried is
it?

Either way I didn't get what I paid for. There were no warnings with
the update advisor, and by default Vista configured the Graphics controller
at too high of a rate for the hardware.

Bollocks. It might have set the refresh rate too high for the monitor,
that's all. But because you know it all, you'd have instantly
recognised what the problem was and fixed it.

I am extremely dissapointed and
frustrated with this. Some of the responces so far just add to the
dissapointment.

That's because you came in with a "I'm an engineering and computer
student, I know it all, blah blah blah" and then continued to make an
utter arse of yourself.

 

[Conor]

I have a VIA S3G UniChrome that had the evil things happen to it. I know
GeForce is stable. That's why I chose it as a suggestion. VIA I think is all
Beta for the Vista drivers for that chipset. If evil things by chance were to
happen, it would be a nice gesture of microsoft to replace it with a stable
card. The rate I was refering to was the hardware acceleration. DxDiag listed
running DX10. UniChrome only supports up to 9. This is all by default, so the
plug and play driver is the one that screws it up more than the one I
downloaded and installed from VIA.

Oh you really are a ****ing clueless gimp. You're gonna fail that
course big style.

DXDiag lists DX10 because that is what libraries are installed. The
card will only be given commands it supports, i.e DX9, and it will
ignore all others because it doesn't know what the **** to do with
them. For example, play Counterstrike Source on a Geforce 4MX in
Windows XP, and you'll notice the water looks completely different from
a Geforce 6600 or whatever because it doesn't support DX9 effects and
is running at DX7 even though DXDIAG will report DX9 on XP.

Hardware acceleration is actually a software function and basically
tells the OS what limits to put on something if there's a problem, i.e
you can disable certain calls such as hardware window resizing.

 

[Conor]

How did I come across as Know it All, undermining anyone elses knowledge?
Obviously you know more about it than I do. That wasn't my point.

"I am a student of Engineering Science with an Electrical and Computer
focus. I know my hardware. "

Sound familiar?

 

[Rock]

Thank You. I think it's a good idea to revise it first to make sure that
everything that wasn't clear here is resolved. Just out of curiosity, what
is
appropriate for newsgroups? Why is there a suggestion for microsoft tab if
it's not the way to do it? What is the appropriate way to use the
suggestion
tab?

That suggestion method was used when Vista was in Beta and versions were
released to the public through the CPP program. That was the only way for
the CPP users to post bugs and suggestions. Those in the TechBeta could
file bugs through MS connect.

I don't really know how this suggestion mechanism is used as a matter of
course and once the OS is RTM, but it's definitely not for bug reports. I
do know, though, that the one link I gave you is the formal way to contact
MS to report a bug. The other is the standard way for making a suggestion.

Frankly the web interface is awful. I and many others don't use it. These
are actually Usenet newsgroups, and it's much better to use a newsreader to
access them. XP comes with Outlook Express. Vista comes with Windows Mail.
Both can be set up for newsgroup access. Windows Mail already as it
preconfigured under Windows Communities.

Looking at other posts, for the most part I see issues, and others
giving suggesstions, a few with people blogging, a few with gossip about
the
people blogging. Do you even think that this is a reasonable idea?

Think what is a resonable idea? The MS newsgroups are intended as a peer to
peer support mechanism. It isn't intended for blogging, or personal
communication though threads occasionally go off track which isn't a big
deal usually, and of course we have our share of the idiot trolls. But this
is Usenet. It is not a moderated forum.

 

[Guest]

I certaintantly didn't mean to come across like that and I apologize. "I know
my hardware" wasn't meant as - "I know everything there is to know" more as,
"I know what is in my system, what it's purpose is, and now, what it is
capable of."

I don't know what happened to the post I put up Friday night. I had a
detailed explination of what occured. Here's the events in a nutshell.

Installed Vista. Tried to register. WGA said Vista was OEM(although my
system came with XP,) Product key didn't work. Also, Aero and Dreamscene and
all those were availible. Everything was okay untill I enabled Aero. Then got
the blue screen crash reboot blue screen crash loop.

Once that was resolved, graphics cannot support acceleration past one or two
tics without crashing, though it could before enabling Aero. Looks choppy.
Won't play media fully, and quaility is cruddy. Entire system is SLLLOOOWWW
as heck.

My understanding is that Aero is not availiable if it's not supported. There
must be a reason for this. After these issues I looked at the Via website,
which said that a Uni Chrome IGP supports up to DX9. Dxdiag said I was
running DX10.

For whatever reason, these safety measures didn't apply right (my statement
of "configuring by default too high.") Maybe for the same reason it said that
Vista was OEM when I tried to register the product key.

Seems like my card got more than it could handle from some bug or glitch in
the matrix. Customer service agreed, but said there was little more they
could do other than offer a refund for Vista, and to get the refund I would
have to go back to XP, (but because I got the refund I could use the money to
go buy a new card) or I could buy a new graphics card myself that supports
Vista.

So if this happened to me, it can happen to anyone else.

As far as for the Proof, I gave the ticket number for the support case... I
had the tech report saved to the desktop, but I guess my dad deleted it.

So there you go, more ammo for ya. I really don't care if you believe me or
not, because if it happened once, it will happen again. You can try to be
proactive and get to the root of the cause, or you can just mock me until it
happens again with someone who has more at stake than just a home computer.

Can you tell me of anything else that could have happened that will limit my
graphics cards preformance following an error of improper availibility of
higher functions that my card can't preform?

Trying to force 3D graphics on a 2D card, Aero, flip3D, Dreamscene, on a DX9
device, is a bit more of an issue than just the refresh being too high.

Please prove me wrong! All I want is my system to run right again. Can you
give me other reasons on why if I move my hardware acceleration past two it
blue screen crashes other than a physical defect in the card? Can't running
Aero when it's not supported can cause a physical defect? If there were no
symptoms of defects previously, and then a potentially damageing event
occured followed by symptoms of defects, wouldn't it be safe to say that was
the cause of the damage.

 

[Guest]

Wow, tough crowd.

I certaintantly didn't mean to come across like that and I apologize. "I know
my hardware" wasn't meant as - "I know everything there is to know" more as,
"I know what is in my system, what it's purpose is, and now, what it is
capable of."

I don't know what happened to the post I put up Friday night. I had a
detailed explination of what occured. Here's the events in a nutshell.

Installed Vista. Tried to register. WGA said Vista was OEM(although my
system came with XP,) Product key didn't work. Also, Aero and Dreamscene and
all those were availible. Everything was okay untill I enabled Aero. Then got
the blue screen crash reboot blue screen crash loop.

Once that was resolved, graphics cannot support acceleration past one or two
tics without crashing, though it could before enabling Aero. Looks choppy.
Won't play media fully, and quaility is cruddy. Entire system is SLLLOOOWWW
as heck.

My understanding is that Aero is not availiable if it's not supported. There
must be a reason for this. After these issues I looked at the Via website,
which said that a Uni Chrome IGP supports up to DX9. Dxdiag said I was
running DX10.

For whatever reason, these safety measures didn't apply right (my statement
of "configuring by default too high.") Maybe for the same reason it said that
Vista was OEM when I tried to register the product key.

Seems like my card got more than it could handle from some bug or glitch in
the matrix. Customer service agreed, but said there was little more they
could do other than offer a refund for Vista, and to get the refund I would
have to go back to XP, (but because I got the refund I could use the money to
go buy a new card) or I could buy a new graphics card myself that supports
Vista.

So if this happened to me, it can happen to anyone else.

As far as for the Proof, I gave the ticket number for the support case... I
had the tech report saved to the desktop, but I guess my dad deleted it.

So there you go, more ammo for ya. I really don't care if you believe me or
not, because if it happened once, it will happen again. You can try to be
proactive and get to the root of the cause, or you can just mock me until it
happens again with someone who has more at stake than just a home computer.

Can you tell me of anything else that could have happened that will limit my
graphics cards preformance following an error of improper availibility of
higher functions that my card can't preform?

Trying to force 3D graphics on a 2D card, Aero, flip3D, Dreamscene, on a DX9
device, is a bit more of an issue than just the refresh being too high.

Please prove me wrong! All I want is my system to run right again. Can you
give me other reasons on why if I move my hardware acceleration past two it
blue screen crashes other than a physical defect in the card? Can't running
Aero when it's not supported can cause a physical defect? If there were no
symptoms of defects previously, and then a potentially damageing event
occured followed by symptoms of defects, wouldn't it be safe to say that was
the cause of the damage.