Vista Defrag Program

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D. Spencer Hines said:
The Defrag programs in all the versions of Windows I've seen are slow,
clumsy and primitive by comparison.

But probably ample for most home users.

I _do_ specify perfectdisk for use on servers though. It's a great product.
 
Terry said:
I really beg to differ, since this is a NEW operating system and many
manufactures are trying (with not much success as I see it) to do
updates regarding software and hardware as well, there are many
installs that must to be done in a short period of time if you want
the system to run in a half way decent condition.

Yes, after a fresh install of the OS and applications is a good time to run
a manual defrag. However, on a decent disk with lots of room the OS will
continue to run in a more than "half way" decent condition - fragmentation
shouldn't be that bad on a roomy disk and it isn't quite the system
performance killer that you seem to think. I'm not saying it can't be a
factor in poor performance, but you seem to have even the slightest bit of
file fragmentation playing a starring role in your computer magically
turning into a paperweight, and that simply isn't the case!
Therefore, there
are files being installed and deleted which adds to the fragmentation
of a drive. Its my opinion as well as Microsoft's (referring to an
earlier version, I believe was Windows 95) that Defrag be done on a
more frequent basis. I may be wrong but have not seen (in any
versions since) any changes to that theory, or at least none made by
Microsoft to my knowledge. If in fact you go back to prior versions,
do a defrag, on the drives I do believe you'll notice a difference
not only in the access times, but the amount of time the HDD is
actually running (kinda goes together).

Of course this increase in time taken is nothing to do with the fact that a
4GB drive was generous in the Win 95 days and a 400Gb disk isn't even the
largest size available today.

And how often the defrag task is ran isn't terribly important. It could be
ran 20 times a day but if there isn't anything for it to do then running it
more times than is needed will not do anything except waste your time.
This allows for the HDD to
last longer since it isn't running constantly, as well as allows it
to get to the program you are trying to start at a much faster rate.
Granted with Vista you'll probably never notice this difference since
the defrag program is crap to start with and doesn't appear (in my
opinion and my opinion only) to being doing anything but causing the
HDD to constantly run without any compensation. Looks to me like
Microsoft may have a deal with some of the HDD producers that they
will wear out a drive, the user has to replace it, therefore the HDD
company makes money for the drive, then you have to buy another copy
of Vista, humm who's the loser here...Think about it.

Sheesh and some people think *I* have a low opinion of Microsoft at the
moment!
Do let us know when you take off the tin foil cap and start thinking about
it.
All of the opinions expressed here are my own, I have been running
windows software since Bill actually started releasing it.

You have a copy of Altair basic? That's pretty cool. Ever considered putting
it up on ebay? Or donating it to a computer museum?
 
You couldn't make enough changes in your operating system to warrant a
weekly defrag.

I wonder if the folks who write for the popular computer magazines get
kickacks from people at Racxo, Diskeeper and Perfect Disk?
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Not really when someone decries the whole OS as useless and suggests the
whole thing should still be in beta because defrag.exe dared to change the
way it worked between versions of the operating system.

Now you're talking about one person. Your original statement was
referring to more than one person.
I'm very well aware of how defrag works and what it does, thank you. I'd
speculate that I'm far more aware than someone who thinks a typical user who
'uses their machine a lot' will really see a definite benefit from running
the defrag program twice a week - especially on Vista where I understand
Microsoft have a weekly background task set to run it once a week to do a
little tidying up as it is.

Apparently so.........
I honestly don't see where you get this idea from.
Shrooms!


Maybe - but how long is "too long" exactly.

There's no single answer to that. It depends on usage.

And I still assert that the user
might use their time on the computer far more productively if they get on
with what they purchased it for rather than obsessing over odd system
utilities.

I agree. That's why I schedule it and forget it.
Especially when Microsoft have scheduled a defrag task to run
weekly anyway, as you note.

I guess I've been lead down by the garden path by computer magazine
columnists and PC Utility advertisements.

I can't speak for Vista, but from what I've read previously, Windows
defrag utility did a "fair" job at defregging. The defrag utilities
from people like Raxco, Diskeeper and Symantec take it farther by
moving frequently accessed files to where they can be most quickly
accessed and so forth. There are other things they do that Windows
won't do but I can't recall them at the moment.
Well once a year is probably too long to go without some kind of system
maintenance, that's for sure. I suggest quarterly runs for most "average"
home users on a well specified machine. By the way, did you _only_ run
defrag? Or did you check everything was updated, clear out temporary files,
maybe even run chkdsk and generally tidy up the system?

My typical routine is to run chkdsk once a week as well (or whoever
Windows starts acting up on me). And yes I clear out temporary files
regularly. In the past I've used the disk cleanup utility in XP
although I've found that it seemed to get confused as to where
temporary files were located (particularly IE cache) and neglect to
delete some of them.

So every so often I'd delete them manually.

And I used to run a registry cleaner utility (part of Norton
SyttemWorks) before I a) learned cleared up all my "problems" and then
created new ones and b) decided Symantec is the root of all evil. Now
I only use such measures when desperate with different software.
Again, I'm quite happy to put my reputation (such as it is) down and say
that doing a "proper" maintenance cycle where you do all these things
quarterly is going to be better for most people than just running defrag
twice a week as you suggest, let alone timing it as the original poster
seems to favour.

You keep harping on *twice*. I said "once or twice". Let's pretend I
just said "once" OK? In all honesty that's the schedule I set in
PrefectDisk (and SpeedDisk before that).
Would a car that gets serviced properly every 6 to 12
months be more or less likely to run better than a car whose owner tops up
the windscreen washer fluid or maybe the oil daily but doesn't perform any
other routine maintenance tasks?

No but I never said I neglect other routine maintenance tasks. Those
are your words, not mine.

Let's get something else straight here. There are MANY different types
of users. Some could probably go for a year with out a defrag [waves
to Mom] some would do well to do it every week or two.

I'm not stating this as fact and I'm no expert. I'm just trying to
make a point.

I personally spend 16-18 hours a day, 7 days a week on this computer.
Much of that is web surfing (I've read that cache files are infamous
for causing fragmentation).


I'm a download junkie. And much of what I download is software. Most
of that is installed right away (I've read that is a major contributor
to fragmentation) and often times I turn around an uninstall it
shortly thereafter.

I'm an OS junkie. I frequently install new operating systems,
uninstall others. Move stuff around on various drives and so forth.

Now maybe I'm nuts, but I guess I just assumed I'm the type of user
that needs to pay more attention to system maintenance (compared to
your "average Joe).

But apparently I'm an ill-informed idiot, so who knows....
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........ but you seem to have even the slightest bit of
file fragmentation playing a starring role in your computer magically
turning into a paperweight, and that simply isn't the case!

What's really bizarre about this whole discussion is how you take what
people say, twist it around and then blow it out of proportion.

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You couldn't make enough changes in your operating system to warrant a
weekly defrag.

OK, so why didn't Microsoft set the the default defrag schedule in
Vista to monthly instead of weekly?
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Terry:

I use Perfect Disk v8
It is a full feature product and is fast.

I second that. I love. it.
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NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
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Raxco *****MAKES***** PerfectDisk smart guy!

Oops!

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Raxco *****MAKES***** PerfectDisk smart guy!

Oops!

I know I messed up.

That was supposed to read.:

"I wonder if the folks who write for the popular computer magazines
get *kickbacks* from people at Racxo, Diskeeper and *Symantec*?"
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
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But probably ample for most home users.

No, only cretins.

"Home Users" -- it's become industry code for:

Unsophisticated Rubes Who Can Be Fed Horse Manure At A High Price

DSH
I _do_ specify perfectdisk for use on servers though. It's a great
product.

Proving my point above precisely.

DSH
 
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