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Olórin
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Olórin
W****n S***********g said:Just go to Google and look.
There, I beat everyone to it that time
To quote your last (charming) response to someone who pointed in the
direction of Google:
"Typical dumb ass response here from Micronuts people. Why don't you just go
and put a bullet in your head."
K
Ken Blake, MVP
Have you done any research on the latest version, or are you just
opinionating on your previous experiences, which are probably outdated
and,therefore, inaccurate?
I have not personally used the latest version, but I have heard good
things about it from several people I respect. So it's possible that I
may change my view at some time in the future. But for now, Symantec
remains a company that has a long history of producing software that
is among the least trustworthy available. I would not personally use
any of their products, and I recommend to others that they also do not
do so.
L
Leonard Grey
<see below>
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Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est
if the current edition of NAV or NIS does, in fact, run faster, that
would be an improvement. But "Norton" software has many other
disadvantages, including:
* it conflicts with other installed applications
* it's tough to uninstall
* it contains marketing
* it inserts itself into your system in unnecessary ways
* it uses its own terminology for commonly understood terminology
* it has truly awful technical support
LG
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est
I'm not really a party to this thread, but I just wanted to mention thatI have not personally used the latest version, but I have heard good
things about it from several people I respect. So it's possible that I
may change my view at some time in the future. But for now, Symantec
remains a company that has a long history of producing software that
is among the least trustworthy available. I would not personally use
any of their products, and I recommend to others that they also do not
do so.
if the current edition of NAV or NIS does, in fact, run faster, that
would be an improvement. But "Norton" software has many other
disadvantages, including:
* it conflicts with other installed applications
* it's tough to uninstall
* it contains marketing
* it inserts itself into your system in unnecessary ways
* it uses its own terminology for commonly understood terminology
* it has truly awful technical support
LG
T
Twayne
Mike said:Many will continue to say that without ever re-checking to find out if
they're right, too.
Agreed. I assume you're referring to the latest small footprints &
memory efficiency they've implemented. It does a lot to let older or
less efficient machines use it.
And whoever "us" actually is, it's far from the majority of users based
on the millions of other happy users who took the time to set things up
optimally and definitely not me. For some, RTFM is greek and to be
avoided at all costs, too.
Regards,
Twayne
T
Twayne
Unknown said:Why waste your time rechecking when you know for a fact it is the most
troublesome software?
lol! Spoken like a true closed mind!
Thanks for the giggles!
Twayne
T
Twayne
Leythos said:My understanding is that the Current version is nothing like the
previous versions that were terrible resource hogs. I've not
personally tried/installed the latest version, but I've talked with
many people that believe it is a much better product than the prior
versions.
Actually, I see little difference in it, but at the same time have
things pretty reliably and well set up. That said, there probably is
quite an improvement though, because as it was at one time, they've
turned EVERYTHING back on by default.
As much as I like Norton products and what Symantec has been doing
with them, I still think the multi-layered multiple-testing of the same
thing is inefficient. It's OK if others disagree with me; I just find
such things less than desirable. For instance:
They've done a good job of taking care of a previous problem where
their scanning an outgoing e-mail could result in say OE or FF or
whatever thinking the mail was sent, and placing it into the Sent
folder, when in reality, it was never sent. Many programs were guilty
of that same exact thing in fact. And their solution is so simple it
proves the old addage of the "simplest answer is always the best
answer" too.
The added bells & whistles are nice too and much appreciated. Their
heuristics scanning even saved me from an OOPS last week too; I was
about to let GAIN in without realizing it, and guess what? It basically
wanted to know why I wanted to allow such a stupid action on my machine
as it was trying to do.
On the other side of the fence, it missed a ...lovgate infection
attempt, which Adaware 8 caught and eradicated, but it turned out to not
be a virus per sae, so I guess I could excuse that one<g>. NO idea how
I got that one, but ... important thing is, it got caught. Looks like
I'm getting careless in my old age.
Anyway, Norton is alive and well at Symantec and IMO moving in the right
direction.
Regards,
Twayne
T
Twayne
Leonard Grey wrote:
....
As defaulted, it could slow things down a bit on some lesser machines
and a lot on definietly much lesser machines. A few minutes of RTFM and
adjustments though, and that ended. e.g. I never saw any reason to AV
evalute every program that was opened, copied, moved, edited, saved,
saved as and whatever so a mouseclick or two took care of that one. IMO
their defaults caused them the most problems; the majority of users just
didn't require that.
Curious: Which ones? Never had the problem here.
Nonsense: Installs went smoothly in all but one of the many installs I
have done on my own machine and for others machines. I never did figure
out the exact reason but a Repair Install of XP took care of it. Way
back when, there was a sequential issue with it; it had to be installed
before one of the CADD programs. Forget which one, that was some time
ago. The last 4 installs of my own and several for customers have all
gone perfectly.
Many applications contain "marketing" but to tell the truth, unless it
was the splash screen, I don't recall ever seeing/noticing it. That's
sort of reaching for straws for reasons to dislike something IMO. Even
your first sentence of your post is clearly "marketing" yourself for
opinions you chose to portray as facts.
Not at all. It did/does however ship with much stronger defaults than
are necessary.
Speaking of reaching for straws.
Tech support varied a bit over time, especially during the
transformation from Norton to Symantec. PowerQuest probably got hurt
the most during those buyouts. But you said "has" which is current
tense, and my experience is exactly the opposite. Email was prompt and
within 2 days, phone queues were short, and chats were nearly instant.
Personally the e-mail experience is mine, the phone customers, and the
chat mine.
At the moment tech support is pretty good, especially when compared
with most other major companies. Some of these folk are beginning to
wake up and realize that Quality is the most valuable asset they have
and it will take them a lot farther than many advertising campaigns do.
Cheers,
Twayne
....
I'm not really a party to this thread, but I just wanted to mention
that if the current edition of NAV or NIS does, in fact, run faster,
that would be an improvement. But "Norton" software has many other
disadvantages, including:
As defaulted, it could slow things down a bit on some lesser machines
and a lot on definietly much lesser machines. A few minutes of RTFM and
adjustments though, and that ended. e.g. I never saw any reason to AV
evalute every program that was opened, copied, moved, edited, saved,
saved as and whatever so a mouseclick or two took care of that one. IMO
their defaults caused them the most problems; the majority of users just
didn't require that.
* it conflicts with other installed applications
Curious: Which ones? Never had the problem here.
* it's tough to uninstall
Nonsense: Installs went smoothly in all but one of the many installs I
have done on my own machine and for others machines. I never did figure
out the exact reason but a Repair Install of XP took care of it. Way
back when, there was a sequential issue with it; it had to be installed
before one of the CADD programs. Forget which one, that was some time
ago. The last 4 installs of my own and several for customers have all
gone perfectly.
* it contains marketing
Many applications contain "marketing" but to tell the truth, unless it
was the splash screen, I don't recall ever seeing/noticing it. That's
sort of reaching for straws for reasons to dislike something IMO. Even
your first sentence of your post is clearly "marketing" yourself for
opinions you chose to portray as facts.
* it inserts itself into your system in unnecessary ways
Not at all. It did/does however ship with much stronger defaults than
are necessary.
* it uses its own terminology for commonly understood terminology
Speaking of reaching for straws.
* it has truly awful technical support
Tech support varied a bit over time, especially during the
transformation from Norton to Symantec. PowerQuest probably got hurt
the most during those buyouts. But you said "has" which is current
tense, and my experience is exactly the opposite. Email was prompt and
within 2 days, phone queues were short, and chats were nearly instant.
Personally the e-mail experience is mine, the phone customers, and the
chat mine.
At the moment tech support is pretty good, especially when compared
with most other major companies. Some of these folk are beginning to
wake up and realize that Quality is the most valuable asset they have
and it will take them a lot farther than many advertising campaigns do.
Cheers,
Twayne
T
Twayne
1PW said:
Interesting site. But clicking on any of the "missed.... .html links
goes nowhere; just paints a blank page and says "done" even after ~ 5
minutes. No 404, blocked, nothing.
Anyone else get it to work?
Twayne
M
Mike Torello
Twayne said:Agreed. I assume you're referring to the latest small footprints &
memory efficiency they've implemented. It does a lot to let older or
less efficient machines use it.
Yep. Some folks have a hard time accepting new info. Many others
don't even look for it.
U
Unknown
Of course that is only YOUR opinion. Norton and Symantec cause more problems
than their worth and that is not an opinion.
Read these newsgroups. You yourself had problems.
than their worth and that is not an opinion.
Read these newsgroups. You yourself had problems.
U
Unknown
Yes, buy a lemon and then buy their next lemon and on and on.
T
Twayne
Unknown said:Of course that is only YOUR opinion. Norton and Symantec cause more
problems than their worth and that is not an opinion.
lol! Of COURSE it is!
T
Twayne
Unknown said:Yes, buy a lemon and then buy their next lemon and on and on.
Or, buy an oustanding product and use it correctly as most any thinking
person does.
Your reputation precedes you by miles, I'm afraid.
U
Unknown
Of course it does. I don't use that garbage or registry cleaners you so
often push.
often push.
L
Leythos
Of course that is only YOUR opinion. Norton and Symantec cause more problems
than their worth and that is not an opinion.
Read these newsgroups. You yourself had problems.
You need to qualify that with the versions as the Corporate versions and
the Symantec End Point Protection versions are clean, light on
resources, and do a dang fine job at catching malware.
T
Twayne
Unknown said:Of course it does. I don't use that garbage or registry cleaners you
so often push.
Now, there's a really intelligent segue; irrelevent, off topic and
nothing to do with anything mentioned so far in addition to being just
plain silly.
U
Unknown
Everything is silly in your mind. Silly not to use registry cleaners, silly
for not using Norton or Symantec etc. etc. etc.
for not using Norton or Symantec etc. etc. etc.
T
Twayne
Unknown said:Everything is silly in your mind. Silly not to use registry cleaners,
silly for not using Norton or Symantec etc. etc. etc.
Trying to redirect the convo away from that which you know you are
ignorant, eh? Those are the acts of a tiny child wanting its mommy and
feeling for a teat. You continue to spew misinformation and crap and
are not capable of anything further, are you? I can smell yo all the
way from here; go take a shower!
U
Unknown
Sorry, you're smelling your own sewer in Syracuse. Misinformation? Tell us
all about your registry cleaner. And of course all your Norton products.
all about your registry cleaner. And of course all your Norton products.