VB.Net Rules!

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Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me. Thanks
very much.

Bruce
 
Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson, stated
how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one susiedba,
was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed by another
post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping right behind
the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain
unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has
been when the poster has a conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical
definitions, he was trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes, but
my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.
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Bruce, I am in no way upset at any of your posts and I apologize if I
gave you that impression. You are welcome in this newsgroup and I
encourage you to stay and keep participating. I'm not certain if the
first Larry Linson (not Jr) was the actual MVP or another of 'his'
aliases, and I wanted to warn you before you incurred the wrath of an
MVP by accidentally calling him a troll. Again I apoligize if I gave
you the wrong impression - I have no grudge against you and hope you
continue to contribute here.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.
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This is exactly what I meant, I was merely trying to combine two
threads into a single one, the second paragraph was definitely meant
for Master Programmer, not Bruce.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
Seth,

I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.

Bruce
 
Seth,

I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.

Bruce
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Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
Seth,

Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
..Net!

Bruce
 
Well, I'm glad that's cleared up. I can't speak for anyone else, but you
haven't done anything to offend *me* in this newsgroup. Glad you're going
to stick around.

Robin S.
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so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?
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Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)

As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.

Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):

DIM A(4)

Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:

Dim B$

To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:

Dim B as String

Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.
I thought that VB6 was.
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VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.
I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.
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Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.
 
I was NOT trollign in an opposite direction.

IT WAS NOT ME THAT POSTED THIS PRO-DOTNET _CRAP_
 
I disagree.

VB6 is not slightly more verbose.

VB6 is _HALF_ the verbosity

I mean all the crap for events; I mean **** VB DOTNET

Re:
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of
course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.


VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_IT_


why is it that 80% of vb6 programmers 'never built a class' but MS
held us down against our will and forced classes into our mouths?

I was RAPED BY MICROSOFT; WE SAID NO,NO,NO

AND NO MEANS NO

I WAS RAPED BY MICROSOFT AND I REFUSE TO SIT IDLY BY WHILE THEY SIT
THERE AND INVENT A NEW DIALECT OF VISUAL FRED
 
re:
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET,
so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.


SO WHY IS IT THAT VB6 WORKS BETTER ON VISTA THAN VB 2002,2003 _AND_
2005?

The framework isn't on 10% of the real world desktops.

VB6 lives everywhere.

and for the record; vb.net does NOT have 1/4 of the functionality of
VB6

why can't I use VB.net scripts in SQL Server 2005 jobs?
why can't I save a DTS package as VB.net?
why can't I schedule a VBS file using Windows and written in VB.net?

DOTNET IS A PARTIAL SOLUTION AND THE IDE MOTHER ****ING _SUCKS_ IT
CRASHES
YOU _DO_ HAVE A CHOICE

JOIN ME IN FLAMING MICROSOFT AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DEMAND A REAL
VIABLE LANGUAGE.

IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO ADMIT THAT 'VB6 is not worth migrating' THEN
WE NEED A BETTER VB DOTNET
 
I'm not here to 'learn about dotnet'

I am here to build apps.

'learning about dotnet' does not feed me and my family
BUILDING APPLICATIONS DOES
 
I don't recognize the action to 'rename this newsgroup' from
microsoft.public.vb to microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb

JUST LIKE THE LANGUAGE IT IS TOO VERBOSE

if MS TRULY ONLY HAS ONE VB then the newsgroup should be at
Microsoft.Public.VB
 
re:
I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but
I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around
with us.

a) I would never impersonate MP
b) MP deserves a JOB at MS; he is the only person other than Ralph
Nader than can set that company straight
c) I would never say anything positive about .NET. i mean-- there are
SOME things I like; but they pale in comparison to thousands of miles
of unnecessary code change
d) I don't 'mess around with you guys' I am fighting a holy war
against a bastard company
 
re:
As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding
keywords
to existing commands.


let's talk about events on forms.
I don't think that going 'twice as verbose' was necessary; helpful or
acceptable.

I won't use Windows Forms apps anymore and I sure as hell won't use VB
for ASP.net anymore; MS betrayed us all by removing vbScript DHTML
from ASP.net

why did they do this? VB won the war and MS threw the fight-- they
threw the world series; by surrendering to Sun Microsystems...

VB WON THE WAR.
AND MS SURRENDERED ANYWAYS.

it is right up there in 'the greatest betrayals of all time'
 
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